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Mothercrae has tage one aptamil cartons at half price because they are close to expiry date.....

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popsycal · 08/11/2005 13:36

Is this breaching the whatsit before I write in and get on my high horse?

TIA

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chipmonkey · 15/11/2005 22:18

Ah, so thats why you sound like cod!

popsycal · 15/11/2005 22:25

does she express while mumsnetting?
;)

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moondog · 16/11/2005 09:18

Popsy,got the new issue of the ABM magazine in which there were summaries of the recent annual conference speeches.Unsurprisingly Aptimil was discussed at length.

There is a great summary of a talk by Gabrielle Palmer (author of 'Politics of Breastfeeding') entitled

'How did we go wrong?
An overview of the history politics and damage to breastfeeding'

It's not yet up on the website,but when it is I will post a link which should do two things

  1. Remind the people who know that these things are wrong just how wrong it it.

  2. Show people who think it's all a storm in a teacup that this is a far greater and more sinister issue than some cut price formula tins in a local Boots.

In the meantime,some gems to consider.....

'The World Health Code is designed to ensure that artificial feeding is as safe as possible and it is in the best interests of the child if feeding decisions are not influenced by commercial interests.'

The World Health Code was set up in direct response to the activities of Nestle in South America in the mid 70s. Nestle was sued by Roman Catholic nuns for their unethical marketing of breastmilk substitutes.

When the World Health Assembly adopted the code in 1981 there was one dissenting voice out of 118 members.
Whose? The USA. The delegate resigned his post at USAid in protest.

In 1997 the UK artificial baby milk market was worth £150 million.
Between 1993 and 1997 the ready to feed market grew 170% and follow on milks 150% (most advertised.)

'All national codes can and should be stronger than the original code,which is meant to serve as a minimal baseline of action.

'(Babies) cry,whine and smell but for retailers,babies are always beautiful because they mean more money in the till. Fromthe moment of conception,through the pregnancy,birth and beyond,a mother and her child represent a valuable commercial opportunity.'

NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2005 09:53

What I found most disturbing about the Times article was, it was by the woman who wrote the "What to expect" book on breastfeeding! It was by a (purported!) expert on breastfeeding!

If I didn't already have 700 reasons to hate the "What to Expect" franchise, this would really be important to me.

popsycal · 16/11/2005 10:02

I have emailed again today

I am not going to shop at mothercare again
annoyed abotu poor customer services now!

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popsycal · 16/11/2005 10:02

I have emailed again today

I am not going to shop at mothercare again
annoyed abotu poor customer services now!

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Psychobabble · 16/11/2005 10:18

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moondog · 16/11/2005 11:21

'What to expect ' books are hideous-constantly subverting breastfeeding. Read that article-its only aim is for the woman to 'justify' herself-nothing else.

Popsy,secret with letters of complaint is to write a looooong list of those you will cc it to (even if you won't really)

I would suggest...

MP
Local paper
WHO
Sure Start
ABM
La Leche League

moondog · 16/11/2005 11:22

Psycho,I've read your link now. It's alarming and most relevant.I think you should flag it up again with alittle explanation of what it is.

NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2005 11:28

What to expect is also pro-circumcision. Which is a rather startling position.

Pruni · 16/11/2005 11:32

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beatie · 16/11/2005 11:36

Psycho - could you type out the URL so I can paste it into my address bar. When I click on links Mumsnet freezes on me.

foundintranslation · 16/11/2005 11:39

Tell me more about the dodgy sides of what to expect please.
I was given WtE When You're Expecting and it was a godsend as so informative - in Germany pg books are almost without exception fluffy, glossy and information-free (or inaccurate - raspberry leaf tea in the 1st trimester anyone? (shock)) and/or way too esoteric.

NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2005 11:43

I don't know how it compares to German pregnancy/baby books, but I'd say:

  • it introduces lots of worries, but often doesn't have a lot of useful information on likely problems (in my experience).

  • it is very American and medicalised, about everything

  • it is quite Gina Ford in its attitudes to babies - they need to be scheduled and controlled

  • it is completely bonkers on food, really controlling and uptight.

beatie · 16/11/2005 11:43

Psychobabble - don't worry - it worked today. Yes, I saw the survey results.

Pruni · 16/11/2005 14:35

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NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2005 16:19

I like Spock. It's realistic, it asks you to trust your instincts, and it's big on offering several options/perspectives.

NotQuiteCockney · 16/11/2005 16:19

I like Spock. It's realistic, it asks you to trust your instincts, and it's big on offering several options/perspectives.

Psychobabble · 16/11/2005 16:39

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popsycal · 18/11/2005 19:20

I haev had a response......

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Tinker · 18/11/2005 19:21

and?

moondog · 18/11/2005 19:21

And....????

misdee · 18/11/2005 19:21

drumroll...............

popsycal · 18/11/2005 19:23

And it is....

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popsycal · 18/11/2005 19:23

do you want it in full or summarised??

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