Permanent exclusion

[lilsgree]

Can the school do this??
My child has been permanently excluded for shouting at one teacher and supposedly pushing her way through another on her way out of the class. Witnesses who were there say she did not push this teacher and she also claims and swears on God and the bible that she didnt push this teacher.
The school still said in the meeting that there were 13 year 8s who wrote that she did push the teacher but they did not investigate the other students who were there that said she did not.
We have had many calls regarding her behaviour but not towards teachers mostly for breaking basic school rules like eating in the corridors, missing deadlines, and wearing two earring studs which is not allowed in her school.
In the meeting we were given an option to manage move but im not sure if this option is still available for her. How do we get this option because we feel it will be alot suitable than being expelled for something she did not do.

Also my child is black do you think this has anything to do with it?

The not following rules stopped at the end of last year.

She's not aggressive but has a previous suspension for fighting, and - leaving aside whether she actually pushed a teacher or not - she doesn't dispute she shouted at another teacher, and is disinclined to follow basic school rules?
But the school is the problem?

but i know she would never push a teacher i raised her right.

So you think the teacher is lying?

Why was your daughter leaving her classroom?

The teacher came in shouting at her and she shouted back why are you shputing im only getting my things. I think you are also misunderstanding that the fight was because she was being bullied.

I got accused of being racist by a parent after their child was excluded for breaking my finger. I was also accused of favouriting black children by a white parent when their child was excluded for swearing at me.

In both cases most teachers dreaded contacting their parents as no matter what the child had done the parents refused to believe their child would ever act out and in both cases their child had sworn they hadn’t done it and I was lying.

There are witnesses saying your child pushed the teacher, as teachers we know there are certain children as witnesses we can trust more than others. I dont go to work to be assaulted. If you were assaulted at work by a client/colleague and there were witnesses would you expect the person to get away with it because the person swore they didn’t?

RTFT properly. OP's post about church and the choir was specifically in response to someone asking if her child was religious, and that was why she was swearing on God and the Bible. OP didn't offer it as evidence of her daughter's character.

It was lunch time and she was in her form when the teacher shouted at her to leave the class room. The teacher said in her statement it was 2:18 and classes start at 2:20 my daughter was furious as shes always shouting at them for no given reason no matter the situation and her next class was next to her form room and she had even lost track of time. I think the other teacher is lying because they have extreme tension between them since yr 7 (shes her form tutor)

Thank you oh my.

I understand that but it wouldnt make sense for these witnesses to have all been there when it was lunch time year 8s are not even allowed on there.

You don't like the school so why aren't you wanting the managed move? Yes your DD might have issues making friends at the new school but sadly she should have thought about that before pissing around repeatedly breaking school rules.

First warnings in class for disruptive behaviour are usually verbal, so not recorded in their planner. It means they can gob off in every lesson at least once without it being recorded in their planner. At my DC's school this doesn't last long, verbal warnings are replaced with negatives in their planners because otherwise they just take the piss.

I had children complain to me about a teacher in a primary, they said she always shouts, my response was you are either doing something you shouldn't be doing or not doing something you should be doing. Often children mistake tone for shouting too.

Your DD was doing something or not doing something she should have been doing that made a teacher shout at her. Stop looking backwards and start looking forwards. What are your next steps to help your DD get back into education?

She was sitting in her form room at lunch which is not an offense. Im afraid that she wont cope well in the new school because i dont want her to be miserable especially at this time when shes supposed to be preparing for her GCSES.

She doesn't stand up for what's right. Following the rules is "right". She can't seem to do that. The majority of kids can seem to do that. The majority don't even get negative behaviour points.

Stop making excuses. Your daughter is causing disruption to everyone else who is trying to learn. You are doing her no favours long-term.

@lilsgree if the school are offering a managed move as an alternative to PEX I’d encourage you and your daughter to go and have a look at it.

As others have says you don’t get a ‘choice’ it’s which local school is willing to take her, but you might find you like it and it feels like a better ‘fit’ for your daughter.

Under the new dfe guidance on exclusions (Aug 24) a managed move is a permanent move immediately. There is no longer a trial period as there used to be. You don’t have to accept the managed move but if you don’t accept the case will go to governor panel stage who may uphold the exclusion and then her education becomes the responsibility of the local authority and she is likely to be given a place at a pupil referral unit or similar and this may not be full time education (even though the law is clear from day 6 of a PEX the LA has to find suitable full time education many LAs just don’t have the spaces available in PRUs to offer this)

For this reason a managed move is worth properly considering.

Please explain to me how eating in the corridors is disruptive to others education. Thanks.

It was lunch time and she was in her form when the teacher shouted at her to leave the class room. The teacher said in her statement it was 2:18

Lunchtime at 2.18pm?! That's incredibly late. What time does school finish?

Where are you in the process? Have you had the letters explaining the PEX and the governors hearing? You will receive a pack of papers ahead of the hearing - the same as the panel gets. It will either be for a one off incident or persistent poor behaviour. The bar is high for PEX - the papers will need to give a full
picture of why it’s necessary. Governors can and do overturn PEX. But if a managed move is suggested, it may be better outcome.
Here is the law - they must follow it.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-exclusion

And we wonder why teachers are leaving the PROFESSION in droves …

3:20 it was coming to the end of lunch

Is she supposed to eat in the corridors? If it's not a school rule then surely there's no problem.

Does the school not have CCTV?

Being caught eating in the corridors results in 3 behaviour pounts.

Not where the incident occurred no.

This only happened Friday, we havent recieved anything but shes currently just at home

What is the relevance? You agree to follow the school rules and policies if you send her to that school. Most schools have mice, controlling where students eat helps contain them to less areas