Common racist comments you hear in 2023?

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Compared to 30 years ago, how is racism different today?

For me, racism terms such as the n word p word are less used than they were 30 years ago. However, people have looked at other avenues. See comments below.

1. "You have a chip over your shoulder" every time someone mentions racism or their lived experience it goes straight to denial mode. You are blamed for your lived experiences and told to get over it and how UK is not racist.

2. "The UK abolished slavery. slavery was a long time ago." Every time someone tries to put forward a view of reparations of people who are still suffering from the effects of slavery they are shut down. "that was a long time ago we have changed and evolved."

3. "I feel like a foreigner in my own country." Which is probably one of the most stupid statements considering that over 80 percent of the population is white. I always answer if you feel like a foreigner how do minorities feel?

4. "name the racists" commonly said for Megan Markle that she should name the racists she claimed in the Royal family. But lets be honest if you did that the other person in whatever circumstance would just deny it and ultimately you will not be believed and be called someone who plays the race card and tarnishing other people's careers.

5. "Why do black people have their own spaces if white people had it we would be accused of racism" This is commonly said by the same people who are not as vocal when other groups have their own space e.g. women, LGBT groups etc.. It just seems like whenever black people have their own space people have to put them down. Take Ngozi Fulani the media made it seem she was the bad person people argued why her charity helps black people suffering from domestic abuse. Sad how she was forced out Sistah Space due to the abuse she faced but the media never mention that and the racism she had to face.

6. "Racism exists in all communities" this is another common one used and is a whataboutery technique. We have seen this with people like Kanye, KSI recently but what people forget there was a lot of criticism from the black community with their actions. So to suggest the black community or any other community does not do anything about racism is for the birds.

7. "My best friend is black" This is something you would hear from the EDL or Britain First. But you would be surprised how often you hear this by a lot of people. Just because your friend or relative is black, Muslim, Asian etc does not mean you cannot be racist. Even if you are a white mother and your child is mixed race does not mean you cannot be racist. It is baffling how a lot of people seem to forget this and think that my saying I cannot be racist because of this automatically means they cannot.

I always feel, Irrationally, more sad with when it is an another ethnic minority. But, yes, hold your ground, it just lazy and disrespectful on your subordinate's part .

On a thread today about feminism:
“This isnt just about black women, the majority of what you say there (and is fact) is applied to all women”

So predictable. Can’t say we matter without someone popping up and saying a variation on “all lives matter”

That thread is like White Feminism 101 @HadalyEve

I could not bring myself to post on that thread. I am not happy that it hasn’t been taken down, it crossed the line, what a good twelve hours ago?

White women who weaponise their whiteness are not the problem. Paraphrasing, apparently they are just middle aged women from developed countries who have complained in the wrong way.

I posted several times on that thread, and just came off it in the end. There was one particular poster who was quite hostile. I refuse to engage with posters like that. I just will not waste any energy on them.

Paraphrasing, apparently they are just middle aged women from developed countries who have complained in the wrong way.

Wonder do they realise that is pretty much the extremely nice definition of a Karen.

Apparently calling them Karens is misogynistic. Just been arguing all afternoon, I know I shouldn't get drawn in.

@Socrateswasrightaboutvoting You have been so eloquent, I am in awe. Its a shitty thread. Reminds me of a thread from last year when a Karen was upset about being called Karen after having shouted at a 7 year old little black girl who was autistic. The little girl had jumped in a puddle and Karen got splashed. The women on the thread were more aghast that karen was being called a karen than the fact she had abused a neurodiverse little girl.

Of course. Forget the likes of the n-word or the r-word - it's the K-word that's the worst insult according to the majority of the white feminists of Mumsnet.

There isn't a competition for who is the most insulted you know.

Ah yea, because they have decided it is while ignoring there is a male version and that there are far, far worse things to be called in life than a Karen.

I don’t go to those boards. Checked them out once and hid them.

In terms of discrimination in the 2023 race is one that is still excused. Playing the "race card" "chip on "your shoulder" "slavery was a long time ago." Would you tell a women she is "playing the women card" of course there are some people that would say that but it is not as prevalent as the ones I mentioned when discussing race. The majority of people who do not tell Jewish people the Holocaust was a long time ago but the same people will commonly always say slavery was a long time ago get over it. We are in 2023 of course some things have improved there is no doubt about that. But it is in different guises e.g. less n word p word than 30 years ago but more sweeping under the carpet "race card" "my uncle is black I cannot be racist" "my friend is Muslim I cannot be racist"

You two are so kind. My own (white) mother used to comment on us (“mixed race”) children, her own kids, in terms of relative colours. This was negatively to me being darker, and positively to my brother as whiter. We were told to keep out of the sun, and to not get as “black as coal”. I haven’t properly questioned all this. But she is an evil abusive cow, that much I know, and now, hah, you’ve pointed out that she’s a racist cow too. Thanks you two. And you sound like a lovely mum @Whattodoaboutpox . Nb I rarely talk about all this since I’d rather gloss over it, but you know, it cuts deeply.

Ps I should add to my previous post, that obvs my mum would seem not to be, and indeed claim NOT to be, in the slightest bit racist since y’know she’s married to a forriner. This is just as pp are saying about people saying they aren’t racist since their ex was black, etc etc etc…

The majority of people who do not tell Jewish people the Holocaust was a long time ago but the same people will commonly always say slavery was a long time ago get over it.

That is one of my biggest annoyances and if you point that out, there’s a chance you’re called anti-Semitic even though there are also Black Jewish people who would say the same about the double standard.

The whole I can’t be racist because I know an insert (minority) is so disingenuous. They often try to use it as a way to seem they have some type of permission to say racist things because one random person from a minority doesn’t seemingly care.

Indeed it is commonly used by extreme groups such as Britain First and EDL "I am not racist but"

It can be difficult as some languages have sounds that we don't have in English e.g. the uvular sound in Arabic. It isn't helped as we don't have all the same consonants, we have some in English that they don't have in Arabic and vice versa.

Colonel Gaddafi, Khadaffi, Qaddafi and other spellings was just one man in Libya but his name doesn't translate easily. I know how it sounds in Libyan Arabic but I have been told that it will sound different in other Arabic areas,I don't know how true that is but I do know English speakers don't get it quite right.

Irish names often defeat the English, I worked with someone who was processing some paperwork and he said, "This is a weird name." He then pronounced a name as Sigh Oh Barn and I agreed I'd never heard it before then the penny dropped and I realised it was Siobahn. He couldn't get over it as it made no sense to him. Obviously you can learn that but you don't know what you don't know until it jumps up and bites you. I think a presenter should make the effort though and make sure they know before they go on air.

If Dr shola Mos-Shogbamimu is prounounced exactly as it looks to English speakers then the presenter has no excuse, a quick check before going on air and off she goes.

But your username????

Thank you. You stood your ground well too. I missed the thread about the neurodiverse black child, but is doesn't surprise me the problem was being called a Karen, not the effect of her behaviour on an innocent child. That and the one today are a perfect example of why women who weaponise their whiteness and fragility are every bit as dangerous to black women as men can be. I admire that HypocrisyRisks is still standing their ground.

It had never occurred to me that calling a takeaway 'an Indian' or 'a Chinese' etc was problematic. Now it has been highlighted, I absolutely see it and will no longer use that terminology. I tend to say the name of the restaurant rather that 'Indian' or 'Chinese'. But I am sure at some point I may have used those phrases and will resolve to do better.

I have xxxx(insert ethnic minority) friends is a red flag to me. It is usually wheeled at out as an attempt to legitimise a racially problematic view or statement.

"You're white - to me youre white." said by a white (ex) friend - I'm not white I'm mixed Asian and Middle Eastern. Nothing like a colonialist to try and erase someone's heritage.

"It was racist, but it was said to my daughter, so it wasn't racist against her as she isn't black. Therefore there's no point in saying anything to the school about it". Bear in mind I'm mixed as I said and my partner is mixed white British and African.

Honestly I despair at the casual racism I hear daily.

Shola's surname is pronounced exactly as it sounds. I agree certain names are more challenging to pronounce but most can be attempted phonetically Even names where the sounds are not present in the English language like the Uvular sound. I often meet people from China and their names are less familiar to me but but I write them phonetically and practice. I would be ashamed to say that I effectively couldn't be bothered to learn it.

Yes, we all know that xxxx friend knows you are a racist but it being tolerant for whatever reason.