Common racist comments you hear in 2023?

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Compared to 30 years ago, how is racism different today?

For me, racism terms such as the n word p word are less used than they were 30 years ago. However, people have looked at other avenues. See comments below.

1. "You have a chip over your shoulder" every time someone mentions racism or their lived experience it goes straight to denial mode. You are blamed for your lived experiences and told to get over it and how UK is not racist.

2. "The UK abolished slavery. slavery was a long time ago." Every time someone tries to put forward a view of reparations of people who are still suffering from the effects of slavery they are shut down. "that was a long time ago we have changed and evolved."

3. "I feel like a foreigner in my own country." Which is probably one of the most stupid statements considering that over 80 percent of the population is white. I always answer if you feel like a foreigner how do minorities feel?

4. "name the racists" commonly said for Megan Markle that she should name the racists she claimed in the Royal family. But lets be honest if you did that the other person in whatever circumstance would just deny it and ultimately you will not be believed and be called someone who plays the race card and tarnishing other people's careers.

5. "Why do black people have their own spaces if white people had it we would be accused of racism" This is commonly said by the same people who are not as vocal when other groups have their own space e.g. women, LGBT groups etc.. It just seems like whenever black people have their own space people have to put them down. Take Ngozi Fulani the media made it seem she was the bad person people argued why her charity helps black people suffering from domestic abuse. Sad how she was forced out Sistah Space due to the abuse she faced but the media never mention that and the racism she had to face.

6. "Racism exists in all communities" this is another common one used and is a whataboutery technique. We have seen this with people like Kanye, KSI recently but what people forget there was a lot of criticism from the black community with their actions. So to suggest the black community or any other community does not do anything about racism is for the birds.

7. "My best friend is black" This is something you would hear from the EDL or Britain First. But you would be surprised how often you hear this by a lot of people. Just because your friend or relative is black, Muslim, Asian etc does not mean you cannot be racist. Even if you are a white mother and your child is mixed race does not mean you cannot be racist. It is baffling how a lot of people seem to forget this and think that my saying I cannot be racist because of this automatically means they cannot.

Sorry to have been quiet. I have some catching up to do!
Speaking of policing in the more lower level social sense, I’m back from a one week suspension for “persistent violation of talk guidelines”. I asked please can you tell me where I have broken talk guidelines and was told that I broke talk guidelines in two posts.

6 August I had a post deleted for goading when I said to a poster “every post you have written me has had a personal attack in it.”

• this was true, they had been and I should have simply reported all their posts so MNHQ would have been aware that I wasn’t goading for a personal attack but unsuccessfully trying to say stop attacking me.

14 August (day I was suspended), I had a post deleted for being a personal attack for telling a poster “sorry you’ve reached your daily limit of sealioning questions, TTFN.”

• the poster was engaging in a campaign of irrelevant and aggressive questions (a tactic known as sealioning) and I was telling them in a way that I though was semi polite that I wasn’t going to be answering their questions. I was evidently incorrect in that respect.

I will continue to do my best to adhere to the talk guidelines. I never deliberately violate them.

I am posting my experience as an advisory so that others may learn from my mistakes. I apologise if this is old hat, but it wasn’t for me as I joined MN less than six months ago. So this is for newer posters like myself.

1. Do not warn posters they are doing personal attacks on you to give them the opportunity to dial it down to a civil conversation. Just report their attacks. Otherwise you will be deemed as goady.

2. If you feel a poster is harrassing you with disingenuous questions (sealioning), ignore them and consider reporting them if they don’t get the hint. Telling them you won’t be answering their questions is a personal attack.

I know my post is a bit of a sidebar to racist things in 2023, but we do discuss other random things on this thread as it’s one I think a lot of us have pinned.

I am not commenting on any disparity or racism in MN policing of Black posters vs other posters directly or implicitly by posting on this particular thread.

@HadalyEve I am so sorry. Lost for words

@HadalyEve your post isn't a side bar.

I do not even know what to say@HadalyEve . Mn has shown itself not to be a welcoming place for black women. Maybe we are not hearing clearly enough. Some of the posts that I see around the board, and personal attacks that are left to stand are shocking. But hey ho that's how it goes on here.

💐For you@HadalyEve

Just listening to a man talking on LBC saying when black people respond to racism they are called the aggressors and are seen as the problem, even though someone who is not black starts the issue.

The conversation is about Susan Hall but fits many aspects of life.

Yes it does, especially online.

I am sorry @HadalyEve it doesn't seem fair at all.

Hey thank you for all the well wishes everyone.
I needed a bit of support today as was unsure if I should even come back.

I was happy to see this article today though :

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/the-1-thing-black-doctors-want-you-to-know-about-being-pregnant-while-black_uk_64e4ae6ce4b07a9e3f5b6a0d

And this one really was inspiring about Black fatherhood
https://www.parents.com/normalize-men-raising-kids-7724632

Very true. For white people, they be squeaky wheels that gets the grease, but for we Black people we be the nail that sticks up and gets the hammer. (As my grandma would tell me as a young girl).

A problematic thread in the Feminism section, now there's a shocker. The Feminist section is where the hopes of black and brown women go to die.

Please read this. This woman honestly has no hesitation in showing her disdain, and anti-black sentiments. Unsurprisingly she is the Tory Mayor candidate to boot. How can this be in 2023 people feel that they can demonise an entire group of people like she has? I am sick to the back teeth of people like her. They are quick to highlight problems, but never look at the root causes of those problems. Problems that have been caused by racism, poverty, deprivation, lack of opportunities, substandard education, Government funding cuts. I could go on forever!

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/aug/22/tory-london-mayor-candidate-criticised-notting-hill-carnival

I am sorry that this has happened to you @HadalyEve . I would like to say I am surprised but I am not sadly not. I cant see that you have done anything wrong. We don't owe racists or those that facilitate racism nice.

Yea it is, wide-ranging “white feminism” convo currently going on that I will not touch. The majority are convinced that white + woman + doing feminism= white feminism. It’s full of bewilderment, misconceptions, and hostility. Posters have tried to educate but it’s been snowed under by more forceful personalities that are strong in their convictions. There’s no hope for that thread.

It’s sick how she tried to use the murder of an innocent young Black man..he was only 21!…for her own racist agenda to stomp down and erase London Caribbean culture and tradition. I haven’t been to Notting Carnival in donkeys years but it’s not violent or dangerous as I remember it….entire families go!

Guess how many criminals took advantage of the crowds to murder in London during the Coronation? SEVEN murders during the Coronation weekend. Four shot and three stabbed.

But no one is going OMG the very white monarchy and their noisy coronations, so violent and dangerous and eye watering to police…

pathetic to try and do a cause and effect link.

<<Sigh>> on so many levels. What a vile individual.

This is an interesting post, the thread has now been deleted, but I did read it yesterday.

Being honest, I didn’t really understand what it means, but I did read the photos from the book that someone posted about “White Feminism” – it was very confusing.

All I know is that when most white women talk about diversity, they mean white women

It hasn't been deleted. And it's torture. I don't blame anyone for choosing not to engage.

What is white feminism? It is when feminist thought, action, or expressions either consciously or unconsciously exclude the needs and concerns of women who are not white. It includes the wall of silence to hostile denial that Black and Brown women are met with when they try and tell white women of their lived experiences as both a woman and a minority.

You did more than the majority then! The book photos were of Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Eddo Lodge.

It’s a bit long winded, but correctly states that white feminism is not about white feminists or being white and a feminist. That, as Eddo Lodge states, it’s not about them personally even though obviously there are certain powerful white feminists who are doing white feminism otherwise it would not exist and not be a problem in feminism today.

So they react like they are being called racists and the response is to exhort us to not be divisive and get to work on “women’s issues” as we are all “sisters” even though what white feminism is fighting for can actually be harmful to women who are not white. So we are put in the position of being cast as the problem. That we are being anti-feminist because we won’t support an action that is white feminism unless it is adjusted to include us and our needs and concerns. That makes some women very angry. There is still to this day imho a cultural and class environment of white supremacy where certain white women don’t like being told they are not the experts on a feminist issue. That they haven’t considered all the angles. That they have unconscious racial bias.

But as we know, when Black/brown people highlight any racism issues we are the aggressors. The OP said it in her opening post on that thread as her #1 question was why was a poster who brought up white feminism on FWR accused of being a derailing troll?

There was a LOT of wide eyed disingenuous responses demanding examples of "harm" which was particularly unpleasant to read.

Why on earth should people have to be reliving their upsetting experiences anyway? To do what? To try to convince sceptical people that racism exists, only to be dismissed anyway. Forget that. Those people who demand such things, are the same people to have very little to do with, if possible.

Great explanation. The threat that clique of white women presents cannot be underestimated. I was called out on another thread for saying they were as dangerous to the health and well being of Black and Brown women as the rapists/ would be rapists that they like to call out.

I Loved Reni's book. I connected with it on so many levels. I often think at the Nick Griffin quote when I am interacting on MN. - At least you know where you are with him. I am currently working my way through 'The Trouble with White Women: A Counter history of Feminism by Amy Shuller'.

@LadyKenya and @HadalyEve glad you worked out what I mean about Susan Hall.

When I start a thread on here probably next April telling people to vote very carefully in the Mayoral elections I know that some people will automatically understand even though the thread will be hijacked.

That thread actually shocked me. It shouldn't have done but it goes to show how racist some people are when they can hide behind anonymity.