Common racist comments you hear in 2023?

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Compared to 30 years ago, how is racism different today?

For me, racism terms such as the n word p word are less used than they were 30 years ago. However, people have looked at other avenues. See comments below.

1. "You have a chip over your shoulder" every time someone mentions racism or their lived experience it goes straight to denial mode. You are blamed for your lived experiences and told to get over it and how UK is not racist.

2. "The UK abolished slavery. slavery was a long time ago." Every time someone tries to put forward a view of reparations of people who are still suffering from the effects of slavery they are shut down. "that was a long time ago we have changed and evolved."

3. "I feel like a foreigner in my own country." Which is probably one of the most stupid statements considering that over 80 percent of the population is white. I always answer if you feel like a foreigner how do minorities feel?

4. "name the racists" commonly said for Megan Markle that she should name the racists she claimed in the Royal family. But lets be honest if you did that the other person in whatever circumstance would just deny it and ultimately you will not be believed and be called someone who plays the race card and tarnishing other people's careers.

5. "Why do black people have their own spaces if white people had it we would be accused of racism" This is commonly said by the same people who are not as vocal when other groups have their own space e.g. women, LGBT groups etc.. It just seems like whenever black people have their own space people have to put them down. Take Ngozi Fulani the media made it seem she was the bad person people argued why her charity helps black people suffering from domestic abuse. Sad how she was forced out Sistah Space due to the abuse she faced but the media never mention that and the racism she had to face.

6. "Racism exists in all communities" this is another common one used and is a whataboutery technique. We have seen this with people like Kanye, KSI recently but what people forget there was a lot of criticism from the black community with their actions. So to suggest the black community or any other community does not do anything about racism is for the birds.

7. "My best friend is black" This is something you would hear from the EDL or Britain First. But you would be surprised how often you hear this by a lot of people. Just because your friend or relative is black, Muslim, Asian etc does not mean you cannot be racist. Even if you are a white mother and your child is mixed race does not mean you cannot be racist. It is baffling how a lot of people seem to forget this and think that my saying I cannot be racist because of this automatically means they cannot.

I knew the racist tools who are dim enough not to realise you arent given tickets on London buses hence theres no ticket to show, would land here. The bus inspectors' handheld scanner incorrectly showed she hadnt paid her fare. It transpired that she had. She didnt walk off refusing to give her name and address, and they should have checked the actual bus driver's fare reader too. Easily solved but they chose to be heavy handed.

If matters of womens' rights were solely in the hands of white women we'd be effed wouldnt we. So many are 'racism 1st' as they cant stand any woman who doesn't look like them

This is black Mumsnet why are you posting here?

Do you not realise that most of us are black women, many of us live in London and some of us use the bus and trams so know what happens at ticket inspections?

Or do you think your view point as someone who clearly doesn't use them is superior and you need to whitesplain to posters who use public transport in London including buses how ticket inspections should happen?

Why do you think it is acceptable for the Met police officers involved to try and hide their actions? The BTP when they are helping with ticket inspections don't, so why do you think the Met police who are institutionally corrupt, racist, homophobic and misogynistic should?

The other thing the racists haven’t considered is why was a Black woman picked on to be challenged?

The handheld scanner wasn’t faulty just for her fare…these scanners are constantly on the blink from what I’ve heard. The inspector chose to believe a known faulty scanner over the human being in front of him because she was a Black woman and therefore more suspect than a piece of crap electronic tool.

Many when you are not white 'just by coincidence' goes out of the window. When you are black or brown, sure there will be times where you will be the random passenger asked to show your ticket, but the majority of the time that isn't the reason you are singled out. How may years do you think it would take you to realise that 'random' selection, and 'coincidences' happen more to you than your white counterparts? If your days and weeks are marked by you being seen / seeing representations of people/women like you as a thieves, addicts, drug users, thick, aggressive, loose, jobless single parents have children with different fathers, troublemakers, or just plain 'not us', you might not always want to co-operate when you are 'coincidently' asked to confirm you are not a fare dodger. I am not saying it is right that she didn't show her ticket when asked but I can certainly empathise with why she likely didn't.

Thanks, I missed this.

I couldn't see a thread elsewhere on MN about the bus incident but assume that even if there was one then it would be filled with the usual racism-deniers.

I missed it too tbh

I did not know that they have hand held scanners to check payment now😮 This is another world to me. But I agree with the points that you made@Socrateswasrightaboutvoting , about the fact that we are more likely to be singled out for checks etc. It is wearing, and who knows the day when any of us will just snap, because we have just had enough of being treated unfairly. But to any purse lipped racist looking on, it would just be another black, or brown person acting up.

@BombasticSideEye Well said.

Once again it wasn't that she didn't have a ticket, because she did, it was because she was refusing to show the ticket or give her name and address. I'm basing that on the report, if a ticket inspector asked you to show your ticket would you? If you refused and a police officer asked you the same would you refuse and if you did would you expect them to say OK and let you walk off? That doesn't seem reasonable to me. I think we should all pay for our tickets and for that to happen there has to be inspections.

I'm sure more footage will emerge, there should be some from bodycams at least, and if they have lied about what happened then that is bad but based on the reports I say again why on earth didn't she just show the ticket? Was she trying to cause an incident, did she not know who the ticket inspectors were, did she think she was being singled out?

There is too much we don't know to automatically say it is racism.

I don't know about handheld scanners either and that is something that wasn't correct in the report. Just shows it is worth waiting for the facts which neither you nor I knew.

Just out of idle interest, have you read the other posts on here@Iwasafool ? I am not sure why you are still maintaining that the lady in question was somehow being difficult without knowing the facts, being there, based on the reports that you have read, that you are willing to believe wholesale. And the fact that you have stated that she was responsible for the distress caused to her child, with no empathy whatsoever says a lot about you. Also it now crosses your mind that she was trying to start an incident. Is there anything else you would like to blame, accuse her of?

You can't get paper tickets on London buses anymore so she would've used an oyster or a debit card. If the handheld scanners didn't work then I'm not sure how else she could show that she had a ticket.

I've noticed you haven't answered my questions.

Shows you are commenting out of complete and utter ignorance.

Well actually most of us were already aware you do not get paper tickets on the buses anymore! You keep saying after this has to be spelt out for you, that she should have provided her ticket or receipt. None of which applies here. If you haven't used London buses recently perhaps you're unaware, in which case you shouldn't comment and you definitely shouldn't keep insisting that this black woman should have done this or that, and blamed her for the disgusting way she was treated. You do not know enough, but some of us here actually use London buses and are aware. I have had a machine take too much off my oyster before, and not register my travel, and it is a right pain to contact TFL to get it fixed, because they fine you if they think you haven't touched in or out of a station! Even when it's their stupid machines fault.

It is a bus ticket ffs! Let her continue her journey. TFL isn't going to go bankrupt because a black woman may or may not have got a free bus ride. They're millions in debt because of their own ineptitude and none of those fat cats will be fired let alone arrested for it!

We KNOW! Take your whataboutery elsewhere. WE KNOW.

So you are not black, nor do you use London buses?
Yet you are hellbent to convince black women that what they are experiencing isn't what they are experiencing.

disclaimer: I'm not black either. But I am a regular user of London buses.

disclaimer: I'm not black either. But I am a regular user of London buses

Ditto me. I'm not a frequent user but I've never had a ticket for any travel anywhere in London, with tap.

I hope her little boy is OK, it must've been very distressing for him, poor little lad.

Mr Twist continued: ‘Ticket inspection operations of this nature are difficult. They place police officers in direct confrontation with frustrated members of the public and could escalate what would otherwise be civil matters to a different level.
‘This incident raises questions about the extent to which officers are having to intervene in this way when supporting TfL in their operations.
‘We will now work with TfL to ensure that the balance is right between officers tackling the most serious crime on the transport network and supporting their own operations to ensure revenue protection.

Here lies the problem. They should already have an effective relationship with TFL where only the most serious incidents give cause to phone them for assistance. They should not be turning up to resolve a matter like this, but if they do, they should advise the driver or inspector that this isn't a police matter. The woman was quite clearly angry and upset to be arrested over a disagreement on a bus fare. It would be shocking to most of us, as I certainly wouldn't expect to be harassed or arrested over a disparity about my fare. TFL have gone ticket-free so it is for them to figure out an effective system that makes sure its rare for people to be able to travel for free and if in doubt, again thats for them to have an effective and simple way to check. Drivers should be told NOT to phone police about fares.

The handheld scanners are on most trains outside London as well (fyi).

There isn’t another way to show you’ve paid as far as I know because usually everyone does pay as you go as it charges you up to the daily cap, so no point paying the daily cap in advance.

We always tap in and tap out and then per the TFL website a charge is calculated and put on your bank or oyster account within an hour after you end your journey. She was in the middle of her journey.

This is assuming she had a smart phone and banking app and data- many people can’t afford this, but even if she had the ability to show her bank account to an inspector or the police- there would not have been enough time for TFL to have debited her account.

Oh god, I just read the thread about the bus incident on WFWR and the amount of deleted posts make me think it was racists' day out.

Again.

Protest outside Croydon Police Station

@Iwasafool
There is too much we don't know to automatically say it is racism.

Your responses show that there is too much you don't know and likely don't care about to say it is not likely to be racism. The reality is that there is too much that Black and Brown women have to bear before we even start on the load that we have to carry as women.

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