Common racist comments you hear in 2023?

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Compared to 30 years ago, how is racism different today?

For me, racism terms such as the n word p word are less used than they were 30 years ago. However, people have looked at other avenues. See comments below.

1. "You have a chip over your shoulder" every time someone mentions racism or their lived experience it goes straight to denial mode. You are blamed for your lived experiences and told to get over it and how UK is not racist.

2. "The UK abolished slavery. slavery was a long time ago." Every time someone tries to put forward a view of reparations of people who are still suffering from the effects of slavery they are shut down. "that was a long time ago we have changed and evolved."

3. "I feel like a foreigner in my own country." Which is probably one of the most stupid statements considering that over 80 percent of the population is white. I always answer if you feel like a foreigner how do minorities feel?

4. "name the racists" commonly said for Megan Markle that she should name the racists she claimed in the Royal family. But lets be honest if you did that the other person in whatever circumstance would just deny it and ultimately you will not be believed and be called someone who plays the race card and tarnishing other people's careers.

5. "Why do black people have their own spaces if white people had it we would be accused of racism" This is commonly said by the same people who are not as vocal when other groups have their own space e.g. women, LGBT groups etc.. It just seems like whenever black people have their own space people have to put them down. Take Ngozi Fulani the media made it seem she was the bad person people argued why her charity helps black people suffering from domestic abuse. Sad how she was forced out Sistah Space due to the abuse she faced but the media never mention that and the racism she had to face.

6. "Racism exists in all communities" this is another common one used and is a whataboutery technique. We have seen this with people like Kanye, KSI recently but what people forget there was a lot of criticism from the black community with their actions. So to suggest the black community or any other community does not do anything about racism is for the birds.

7. "My best friend is black" This is something you would hear from the EDL or Britain First. But you would be surprised how often you hear this by a lot of people. Just because your friend or relative is black, Muslim, Asian etc does not mean you cannot be racist. Even if you are a white mother and your child is mixed race does not mean you cannot be racist. It is baffling how a lot of people seem to forget this and think that my saying I cannot be racist because of this automatically means they cannot.

Sorry I have no link, it was in my local village hard copy newspaper that lands on my door mat.

@HadalyEve the point is that there was scrutiny and disparaging comments about Doria attending an awards event her own daughter was honoured at, indeed there was a larger conversation about her attending too many events ( 6 in total since M married H ) and that she was a 'crowd pleasing accessory'. Clearly the point being made is the different way the Middletons are treated compared to Doria.

Indeed. And I still don't think that learning a few rote phrases in Arabic as a toddler and listening to stories from the Quran qualifies as having studied it! I hardly think Kate is fluent in Arabic.

But my point was that the Middletons do not get the scrutiny that Doria does.

Agreed about the points being made about Meghan, and Doria. Kate has not received anything like the criticism Meghan has received because she had the temerity to have her mother accompanying her to functions. That is what is being noted, and pointed out.

'Misogyny' is slowly but surely becoming a word flung at black or non-white women or white ally when they challenge, call out or criticise white women about ANYTHING. It's becoming a white woman's word only from the perspective of white feminists (NAWWALT 🙄) and like many words, is being co-opted for their own gain.

They can fling all accusations, name-calling and insults at black women but once you say something they don't like, MISOGYNIST! You cannot call them the same without them going into a diatribe about why they possibly cannot be. It's to tell you 'you're not a woman like us'.

The only time I see it used in favour of a black or non-white woman is when she's saying something they agree with.

Just a heads up; white women don't own the word 'misogyny' and it's variations in as much as they may want to. I'd definitely hate to be both a misogynist and racist at the same time, like some are.

I got the point, and agree with the larger point, I just do not agree that the Jordan royal wedding is an example of an event which supports the point of Kate & family being treated differently from Meghan & family due to the history of the Middleton family having lived in Jordan and associating with members of the royal Jordanian family before Kate ever met Prince William.

It’s a bad example for a good point.

I don't agree, I think it illustrates the point well.

completely agree

I got the point, and agree with the larger point, I just do not agree that the Jordan royal wedding is an example of an event which supports the point of Kate & family & family due to the history of the Middleton family having lived in Jordan and associating with members of the royal Jordanian family before Kate ever met Prince William.

Is attending the same nursery as some members of the royal family really "associating" with them? It's not like Kate and Rania's kids are contemporaries.

Oh god, a discussion in FWR about why it's acceptable these days to vilify white women. I just can't...

@PinotGroggio When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

I haven't seen the discussion but I think that's always been the case! All women. Black and brown women have the added issue of racism. But I have never thought anything changed in terms of the particular style of misogyny dished out to women when we reach a certain age, when we complain, when we are scared etc I think some women just miss it until they get older and you get feminism boards full of women in shock about it, either because they have been somewhat protected by their whiteness, their parents money perhaps, their class... but you can't miss it once you get to middle age.

Look at how the police is now considered bad like it's a new thing but because it's beginning to affect white women, everyone is supposed to be shocked and accept that there's a problem in the police force and you must not counter that.

When black people were talking about police behaviour, the gaslighting, minimising and 'playing the race card' accusations were in full effect.

That's very true @AnAngelAtMyTableWithMe - look at all the talk on FWR about the book Hags and how it documents the demonisation of middle-aged women. It didn't go down well when I said black women are demonised long before then - look at Child Q, for example.

Maybe it depends on class, because both black and white people in my working class upbringing knew exactly what the police are like, to people of colour, women, abused women especially. I do not think it is only just beginning to affect white women at all, sorry, that I do disagree with. You get people acting surprised but its not like working class women of all races haven;t been saying this for a very long time. It isn't just that people do not experience it if they have privilege, they also do not want to hear about it until it affects them. Its affecting all women now because of things like trans issues, that's a real 'equaliser' because it affects the entire class of women.

Louder for those in the back!

Yep. Its this week's equivalent of 'its acceptable to be racist against the English'.

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Oxford college threatens to expel students who misgender or 'deadname' trans peers - LBC

Amazing how quickly that happened for the Trans community. Yet the black community must tolerate Cecil Rhodes and the university's far from stellar record on creating safe spaces for black students. Only two years ago students were threatening to boycott outreach programmes!

Yes! It is an absolute disgrace that black students have to put up with seeing a statue of that despicable man when they enter the university. Once again, for everybody to see, they do not care about the feelings of their black students. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/oct/11/oxford-college-installs-plaque-calling-cecil-rhodes-a-committed-colonialist

Our feelings don’t matter, the fact Black students have to put up with monuments to slavers and slavery in buildings funded with the blood and bones of their ancestors but trans students don’t have to put up with being misgendered or dead named is a textbook example of white privilege in a white supremacist university.

You know the reason why Oxford and Cambridge Universities were not bombed by the Nazis was literally because Hitler admired the beauty of the art/statues and architecture so much he wanted it all intact for himself when he invaded and took over the U.K. in due course. He envisioned a Third Reich northern University established there.

Oxford today and the Nazis then both 🥰 the Cecil Rhodes statue…it’s a keeper to them.

Funny which things get chosen to be preserved for future generations and by whom and for the same BS reason of “it’s art” !

The Oxford University dons should be ashamed of themselves. I would honestly feel quite upset if I had to see that statue regularly. It should have been covered up, not just some see through mesh thing draped over it.

Its affecting all women now because of things like trans issues, that's a real 'equaliser' because it affects the entire class of women.

To go back to your class analysis because your conclusion r.e trans issues really doesn't follow from what you said. It's affecting 'all women' now because the police have forgone their Ps and Qs with a particular demographic. The women who hitherto genuinely believed the police were there to protect them have in recent times discovered that is not always going to be the case. These women didn't give a toss that some women experienced the full 'force' of the police because they knew it would never be them. Now that they've seen it can and has been them, it's shattered their entire world view. Now they want 'solidarity' among women regarding such issues.

Yes, and let's not forget the apologists on the child Q thread who were defending the police and saying the girl must've done something to make them act like that. I hate to say it but I suspect that had Sarah Everard been Black then there would've been a lot more victim blaming along the lines of "well why was she breaking lockdown laws by being out and meeting friends?"

(Note: that is not remotely my opinion on the case but it's the sort of thing that's sadly predictable on MN)

I hate to say it but I suspect that had Sarah Everard been Black then there would've been a lot more victim blaming along the lines of "well why was she breaking lockdown laws by being out and meeting friends?"(Note: that is not remotely my opinion on the case but it's the sort of thing that's sadly predictable on MN)

Well I did think that tbh. I would bet my house on the fact that if she was black that is exactly what plenty of people would have said. And they would not have been wrong. That is what would have been strongly pointed out on MN, and used as a tool to beat another black woman with. The fact that she was white, nobody was willing to go there. I must say that even I was surprised that nobody mentioned that fact.

people definitely said it about Sarah Everard but not many, it would be a lot more had a black or brown woman been in her position. I am sure we could probably find examples of this type of double standard. I think the fact it was a policeman also had something to do with that not being a major theme of the conversation.