The PESH deli for those who are realising there are real live baybees at the end of this.

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BESH BAYBEES
dontrythisathome, Bay Amaryllis born March 25.
Cheggers, twinz girlz, born April
FannyPriceless, boy, born June 8

UPDIFFED
CUNextTuesday, takes no shit from the Daily Mail, due June 28
IggyPiggy, The one who loves BUMSEX, due July 20
CurlyCasper, hospital botherer due July 21 (girl)
Skihorse, cradle snatching web geek, due July 22 (boy)
Carrots, organic hippy hunter, due July 25 (boy)
Cosmosis, the one that likes a good ride, due August 22
backinthebox, she bought a racehorse, due September 6
skatergrrrl, the one that overtook the rest, September ??
VAG, lives in De Nile, due 19 September
silversky, the biggest farter, due 21 October (first baybee)
Honeymoo, no it's not fucking indigestion, due November 2 (boy)
okiecokie, self-confessed control freak, due November 6
SomethingSuitablyWitty, benelux babe, due November 14
ReginaMonologue, big pants, 5* hotels, Bridget Jones due November 20
maswera, jungle hottie - due November (???)
PollyPoo, wants to name her baybee after the dog, The New Messiah is due December 25

yay for fat bellied baybees!!

Do you mean all this may actually result in baybees? Real ones?

'lo Laurie

exactly rots - not answering! As SFF put it, it's all been a bit vague and "wet". I'm a girl who needs the why for everything so they are really pissing me off. Maybe they don't want to scare me or summat, but to be honest, if they said "we think X could be a problem so you'll probably need a section", we would work with it. Our service has a very low CS rate, so I would know it's been thought about properly. But simply saying they would rather I was under their care is piss poor IMO. And when they said they would not make a decision for another four weeks (at 38+5), I asked what happens if I go into labour before I see the rheumy/have another scan. Answer: we'd still have you on the CL unit. Whatever happens, I think someone at PALs will be learning about the vague treatment I've been getting. It's just not right to shove people under CL care simply because they have a medical condition, and then not explain what the implications of that condition are. I have been asking these questions since week 12 and am still no clearer.

Anyway, stopping the me, me, me, twinks a line is a line and we are all happy to get excited with you!

rierie and loulou, please stick around as much as you like. Hope you become fully-fledged ASAP, but it's always nice to have BESH pals around for tea Gin and biscuits doughnuts!

cas I felt the same in hospital the other weekend. I had to practically tie the MW up and waterboard her before she would give me any answers. It helped that I asked specific questions, such as, "could it be placental abruption? Should I have a scan to check? Could it be cervical erosion? Is there anything else which it could be that would be dangerous?". She said it was almost certainly not placental abruption as there wasn't enough blood, but she couldn't guarantee it. I then said that I would like a scan, please, as PA is possibly fatal for us both. She said it wasn't worth it which to me equalled it wasn't that. So I carried on until I'd forced her to answer all my questions.

The point of what I'm saying is that by asking specific questions I managed to eventually get specific answers, and being persistant must eventually get results/answers. I am exactly the same - I HAVE to know what's going on and from what I can gather that's pretty unusual. I think the docs think we should just go with what they say and they're offended when we want to actually understand!

Good luck.

BTW Wikipedia has this info: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_birth which mentions rheumatic conditions.

Thank you rotty

Congratulations to Twinkers that is great news. What are your vitals? EDD etc? Wet fish slaps to the OH for buggering off though.

Redlorry lovely of you to pop in!

Cas good work on the baby buddha in your tum tum!! I find medical staff that avoid questions a bit annoing and patronising really. THink we all deserve better huh?

honey well my dates work out as 21st Oct whereas the profeshnals who used a dially fing are claiming 18th. So who the heck knows? Only the little person knows!

Congrats to the newbies, may your first trimester be puke free!

Will post more laters. Husband is home!!!

I got second hand nappies on this site ski. Sure they'd post to soggyland.

OOh what's your site then rots? Love me bumgenius and the other nappies I have but always like looking at others [saddo emoticon]

I'd second they are more eco friendly. And seriously something like bumgenius is really no hassle at all. Yeah you have to wash them but you do a lot of extra washing with a baby anyway. Just need a tiny bit of detergent. And with these nappies I don't get the poo and wee stained clothes from leaks from disposables everyone else seems to have, so less washing actually innit [evangelical emoticon]

Never mind the environmental bullshit () - what the fuck do you think they're putting in the disposables which suck/wick moisture away from the body and leave them smelling so fresh? Sorry but I'm very paranoid about what I'll put on my skin - so I'm sure as hell not going to be covering my PFB's arse in 1000 chemicals.

donttry Thank you for the site. Did you experiment with a variety of brands first? I'm a bit worried about sinking 150 quid up in to a brand and finding they just don't fit the little tyke properly. Have you seen on your travels anywhere a starter kit which does "2 of these, 2 of these" type stuff?

I've got a midwife appointment this morning - I thought it was tomorrow due to a calendar fail. Week on calendar starts on a sunday which always throws me because from the corner of my eye it looked as though mw was third day - which imo is Weds and not Tues. Tsssssssk!

curly Great news about your little girl - really great news! You must be so happy. I'm very sorry though to hear about them pissing you around like that. I suppose they're not sharing information with you because you've got an IQ of 75 and mostly you just sit there gurning and dribbling...

cunty Has you laid one yet?

Husband is very anti reusable bum bags. I explained benefits and was met with a scowl. How does it work after bayberry has done a number stinky two? Do you have to scrape it off then put on wash or soak or wot?

Husband has to work and cannot make appt this savo. Will have to take pad and pen to make notes cos I will forget things as soon as I leave the appt guaranteed.

Wedding looms in six weeks. I will be 28 wks + 4 and no doubt slightly heavier / wider and all that shiz. Have nowt to wear as too soon to start shopping. Any tips on where to shop? Whatever I wear will have to have wide straps to cover up my ridiculous boobage supportage straps. There is no way I can hang loose otherwise with these puppies I will look like I am carrying three seperafe bumps all in a row. .

Gravity is not my friend. Husband says no need for me to carry a handbag I can just lift a nork and store stuff there

silver, rots did a wedding at more weeks than that so she's done the wedding dress trawl for you - allow her to roll up and supply you with a bunch of URLs! Don't worry about it!

The nappies have liners - like sanitary pads - these can either be flushable, or bangable against the side of the cistern washable.

No baby laid yet ski. I promise as soon as it starts you'll be the first to know. Before Hom even

Rastus going nowhere for time being. I believe he is settled into a nice comfy armchair in there, albeit upside down... Off to MW tomorrow morning, so will find out the latest...

cunty I think little people standing on their head on the sofa is not really such an unusual practice! I'm thrilled to learn we'll be privvy before Hom, who let's face it - is more than likely to punch you in the shoulder and say "soooooo... labour eh?".

Well rather than me just chewing off poor cossie's ear - you lot can have it too:

I?ve been very low since yesterday ? not sure where it?s come from really ? I think maybe just one of those hormonal things. I cried last night, then woke up at 4:30am, cried uncontrollably for 2.5 hours, then woke jailbait up, cried some more, then Julian got in on the act and I puked. Joy.

I (stupidly!) started reading up about breech babies and there seems to be some ?evidence? to suggest that babies who turn breech at such a late stage do so because there?s something wrong with them, or the mother. I have no real groundings to think that he is ill in any way ? but it still upset me.

Then! As if I?d not tortured myself enough, I read an article on the Daily Mail website about unrealistic expectations in our young ? in the comments section (oh dear!) a woman said she?d tried to discourage her daughter from becoming a ?top brain surgeon? ? a million ?yummy mummies? were on her case calling her a terrible and unsupportive mother. But, if Julian just ?isn?t that bright? then I?m not going to tell him that he CAN be a rocket scientist ? if he?s just not that bright, no amount of tutoring or ?well done darling? from me are going to change that. Which ? in the eyes of the Daily Mail massive makes me a terrible mother.

I?m also scared I?m going to be just a horrible mum all round ? that I?ll never bond with him and I?ll be terrible.

"Not that bright" - don't know if any of you other losers have been sucked in to Big Brother - but one of the girls "Sunshine" claims to be doing a medical degree... yet on the shopping list task said "we need someone really good at maths to add up". Wtf? A medical student who can't do sums? Reminds me of being in a pub quiz with a medical student who whipped out a calculator to discover the square root of 729. No wonder we battle the medical profession when medical students are just so damned fucking thick.

Thanks for the welcome, even if I am an imposter. No news from me, at the SWI stage & am knackered. Currently on Clomid, so many hot flushes. Blah, blah - I'm at the dull stage, you're all far more exciting. Lots of summer baybees due, am keeping an eye out for many announcements. Hopefully a new wave of BESH's will be over here legitimately soon.

Pliz to be enjoying these doughnuts & gin. Shhhh, just don't tell your midwife!

Before I got present job, I used to work with doctors. Some of them were amazingly intelligent, and others were so thick I genuinely feared for their patients. When I go to the doctors I take the person sitting in front of me as I find them rather than expecting every doctor on the planet to be a genius. As for the name 'Sunshine,' dear me! Either her parents need shooting or she has pinned the moniker on herself. If it is the latter, how on earth does she ever expect to be taken seriously in life? We have a woman at work who is called Sheila, but found a company namebadge on the floor with the name Rainbow on it. She decided to tell the company she wanted to be refered to as Rainbow for a laugh to see if anyone took her seriously, and they did! She still calls herself Rainbow now, and has a good laugh about it. (I'm sure she's Aunty Sheila at home though .)

Ski, don't scare yourself with breech stories. The huge majority of breech babies are just babies who can't get themselves comfy - nothing wrong with them or the mother, they just can't figure out how to lie to get in the right position. DD was in an awful position (and got herself very very stuck on the way out!) and had spent weeks bobbing in and out of my pelvis, which is apparently most unusual in a first baby. But even though she couldn't get postioned right she is completely normal. So here's a big fat for you! And remember not to read the Mail - even the puzzles page is no good, let alone the actual articles.

Ski you poor sausage. Stop torturing yourself with nonsense about breech babies being ill. My brother was breech and is about as normal (and annoying as they come)so stop listening to hearsay and try and relax. Not helped by hormones or vomiting I'm sure. Have you checked out spinning babies website? My doula mentioned it as very good advice to get them to turn.

I agree on the mothering front. I loved dancing as a child and did it 3-4 times a week until I was about 11 when I persisted in my parents sending me to stage school. what a brat I know. Anyway despite getting in, my parents didn't send me and made me stay at the convent I hated. I've sort of held a grudge at various points in my life but now I look back and think thank fuck for that. I'd probably have fucked up my education, be bulumic and have a really not that good, mediocre career earning piss all.So there you go. Not the same thing but anyway.

Yikes, I?ve just booked our tour of the delivery suite for 21st July at 2pm. It?s all starting to get a bit real.

honey Yep, my breech uncle was accepted by Kings College when he was 16... his teachers sent him to sit the entrace exam as they felt he needed taking down a peg or two.

Right - update. Am back from the midwife. Julian is fine - he has managed to flip himself AND is now engaged, which means he's fucked himself over and can no longer swim around like a fucking dolphin in a Florida themepark! I suggested it was maybe just his "last look around". She'd realised I was a bag of nerves because of the unknown facing me - unbelievably my BP was really low despite the stress & coffee. But basically, all is good to go now although am thoroughly and utterly gutted to discover that distended abdomen can no longer be blamed on "breech" but is in fact just giant fucking baby.

Anyway, the upshot is that within about 24 hours I should be back to "normal" and not worrying about such utter bollocks.

Cossie You iz having a baybee!

boxer She's calling herself Sunshine.

Big babies drop out easier - 's gravity, innit?

Well done on 'engagement' ski. My bump has properly dropped this week and it feels like my cervix is the size and shape of a ring doughnut. All this WILL be yours

ski further to FB, reading yours above makes me feel worse. Bad timing, crappy friend.

1. Why the fuck are you reading the Daily Mail? I mean, WHY WHY WHY??? It's just BOUND to be full of some absolute crap about why women are terrible mothers, no matter what they do.

2. LC turned back to back a day or so before being born, not because there was anything wrong with him, but because he had got his hand jammed up by his face and was trying to screwball his way out. They just turn this way and that because they do. Maybe he's just got a terrible sense of direction . If you find you're doing a particularly big burp, maybe it's actually J making a jump for a different exit?

3. You, not bond with J? You, who was raving about how amazing he was at the scan? Mrs hard-nosed ski who went all soft at a computer monitor? You don't think that when you have your real life baybee it will be a million times more amazing? And hey, not everyone bonds immediately either. I sure didn't. Took me a couple of weeks to start bonding and months to really connect. Now I miss him every minute he's not with me.

Aktulee in a rare attempt to be organised, I refreshed the page before posting this (started an hour ago, walked the dogs, came back etc) and saw your message that J has flipped and engaged! That's wonderful news! Does that make you a SUPER good mother because you got him to turn over? Maybe you should ask the Daily Mail? Or maybe he's a medical anomaly and he asked someone for directions.

Excellently pleased .

cosmosis that's the day after I'm due

casper you mentioned being worried about pre-term labour. Weeell if I'm totally honest I'm going through the same thing everytime CS bounces on my cervix, which is often! I would just feel so much happier in about 2 weeks when I'm then within the HB timescales. I'm also worried about loving this one as much as LC (I know, after what I said to ski that's a bit stupid). Sometimes I worry about labour, sometimes I'm chilled about it. Sometimes I worry about coping with a newborn, sometimes I can't wait. I worry I'll miss being pregnant as this is likely to be my last time. I feel guilty when he kicks painfully and I wish he would stop, because I at least know he's safe and healthy.

My hormones are all over the place. I'm crying at friggin' adverts about all sorts of crap. Telly isn't safe. I cried at Star Trek FFS. We have had a Lovefilm for about 2 months - Rwanda Hotel - and I can't bring myself to watch it.

Just me? Ok. I'll go away then.

Not just you rots, I've just been FBing a friend of mine and she's doing me a big favour which has been stressing me out and I was bawling my eyes out. Ordinarily I would just have said 'Thanks'