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CherryPie3 · 17/03/2010 09:29

5th thread come grab a bean bag, theres a cake table in the corner (feel free to help yourselves)

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Bubbabear · 13/04/2010 21:17

Wow vix206, that must have been pretty emotional writing that - extra cake & hugs for you - thank you for being so honest about something so personal.
I guess all i wanted to add was that i am pro-choice to a degree because, as you said, for some people there seems like no other reasonable option. The thing that doesnt sit well with me is the 'up to 24 weeks' bit. Im almost 22 weeks & couldnt imagine getting to this stage & then having a termination. However, i do count myself extremely lucky that i was never in that situation when i was younger because i may well have felt the same & come to the same conclusion, i just dont know. Really i suppose its a situation that many people couldnt say for sure what they would do / how they would feel unless they were in that position themselves. A subject with so many 'ifs' & 'buts'...
On a slightly lighter note, congrats on you & DH being together for 10 years & still going strong, for many that is a pretty big achievement! x

vix206 · 13/04/2010 21:23

Thanks Bubbabear! We've been together for 14 years since we were 18 Seems like forever and I mean that in a good way!

Its a tough one because I am the same about not being able to imagine a termination at this stage, even if I was told the baby was going to be disabled. But as someone else said, really it is no less of a baby at 12 weeks. I used to console myself by telling myself that when I terminated the embryo was tiny and not a baby yet, but it was still my child. It is so hard to assign some kind of 'cut off point'.

sigh heavy, heavy issues and even from my position I feel I am hypocritical in some of my opinions so it is easy to see why this is such a difficult issue for everyone...

vix206 · 13/04/2010 21:47

I know I'm posting loads tonight but has anyone else noticed their skin has suddenly gone really really soft? I always had slightly rough upper arms and legs, with raised bumps. Now my skin everywhere is super-soft, like that on my wrists. Its beautiful!!

pamplem0usse · 13/04/2010 21:55

vix I think it's really great that you're able to share your story.... I realise my comments yesterday might have come across as a bit harsh. They're really my thoughts from my perspective now and so it's really helpful to be reminded that people have abortions because of less-than-ideal circumstances.....

Ah I'm actually quite proud of how we're all discussing the big stuff :-)

Cake to all. And hugs.

CazEM · 13/04/2010 22:16

Vix - thankyou for sharing with us, you are really brave to open up about it to us. Like pample has said it is important to hear what it is like from a first hand experience, it is easy for us to have our views but we have to remember we've never been in a circumstance where we've had to even consider our options. Sending hugs your way.

of your beautiful skin. My face is still errupting in the odd massive spot like a spotty teenager. Actually ok this week so maybe beautiful soft skin is on its way! Hoping!

Lovely vegging out on sofa, watched all of neighbours, eastenders and holby city recorded on my sky box. I feel relaxed but it hasn't done anymore of my essay has it. Will be having a full on essay day Saturday by the looks of it - aint gunna be doing it through the week it looks as planned. I'm being sociable tomorrow and Thursday planning a gentle swim, must remember to start fitting in those pelvic floors we were reminded about last week too!!

Time for sleep now, hoping baby decides to sleep past 4am tonight!!

ElusiveMoose · 13/04/2010 22:30

I'm off to my bed, but just wanted to come on and give you a big hug, Vix. I know that abortion raises strong feelings in people, but I'm still gobsmacked at the reactions you got, particularly from your half sister. Even if you're totally opposed to abortion, it's incredibly unreasonable to take that sort of attitude to someone who goes through with it, particularly when it's someone who doesn't do it at all lightly (as you clearly didn't). If I'd been in your position I'm quite sure I would have made the same decision (and to be v v honest, I probably would have made it much more lightly than you did; back then - ie before I had a baby - I think I would have made that choice fairly easily) - and it sounds like you made the right decision for you and your future life. Obviously having a baby now is going to provoke strong emotions for you, but the fact that you had an abortion absolutely does not make you a bad person, and you mustn't beat yourself up about it. In fact, I'd say that the fact you gave it such serious thought makes you a very good, kind and moral person, and your little-boy-to-be is extremely lucky to be getting a mum like you .

Blueberries, re cheese, no, there's lots of cheese in the UK that's unpasteurised. Most of the 'packet' type cheese is pasteurised, but if you buy stuff from a deli counter (or even some of the higher end packaged stuff), it's quite likely to be unpasteurised. It should say on the packet, or the server on the cold counter can usually look at the info label and tell you. HTH.

Largely uneventful day here. Had the architect round about the loft conversion, and I'm now trying to work out whether I can fit a shower into my sloping roof without paying for an extortionately expensive bespoke cubicle. Oh, and my dimwit of a husband managed to leave the freezer door open AGAIN last night (must be the 4th time in a year ), so we've now got to eat our way through a load of defrosted food AGAIN. Still, there was a fair bit of pizza in there, so at least there are upsides . Not so sure what to do with the lamb stock that I spent hours making .

ElusiveMoose · 13/04/2010 22:33

Oh, and I'm feeling very pleased that two people have mentioned my Help I'm a Parent book recommendation (MN really needs a [smug] emoticon ). Glad it's not just me that liked it so much.

aendr · 13/04/2010 22:35

Vix: your story brought tears to my eyes, due to the emotions and pain you have felt.

I am definitely pro choice, though I ponder whether I am for or against limiting the reasons allowed or shortening the timescales. I can see why people argue it should be for limited reasons such as rape or physiological medical reasons or mental health, but I can also see why bringing a child into the world into the lives of a parent or parents who are not going to cope for whatever reason (not ready, not able to support, too many other commitments such as other children or older family members to care for) is not the right thing to do. It's tough enough when you are well educated, well paid and with a decent support network around you.

As for the timing of abortion, I am under the impression that it gets harder as the foetus gets bigger and as viability approaches - both to do and to make the decision and to live with it afterwards. I would guess that a high proportion of abortions after the 20 week scan would be because of really serious problems which would cause viability issues for either the foetus or the mother. But one also has to ask is it any less valid to terminate for mental health or support reasons at 20 weeks than 12? Denial might well have delayed matters.

Personally I would struggle to make the decision to abort and am glad that so far I've never been in the situation of needing to consider it. Although I'm careful, the only way to guarantee not having an unplanned pregnancy is never to have sex - and even that is not a choice for some women.

The whole issue is not something that I have coherent views on - my gut reaction and my considered reaction on the needs of the entire involved group (parents, other siblings, other dependants and the foetus as a child) are at odds when I consider the various scenarios I can imagine. To me, it's not just one foetus to be affected but that extended group. There are tales of women aborting and not caring - not that I totally believe those hypothetical tales as I expect most care deep down and are trying to hide it, but if they were true, would it be good for a child to be parented by such an uncaring person? Those who think about it, found the decision tough, have my respect for trying to do their best for the entire group involved.

I too am proud of the way we're discussing difficult topics - and topics that because of our pregnancy hormones will tug at all our heartstrings.

On a lighter note, I haven't noticed softer skin, I have noticed runnier noses but I put that down to my son sharing the colds he gets at nursery. I have also noticed that cuts and grazes take a lot longer to heal. As for cravings, my son put me off chocolate in the pregnancy with him. So I am just happy that my daughter-to-be seems to like chocolate, especially ice cream!

thecoffeelady · 14/04/2010 00:39

Hello Ladies,

Have not been around for a while, been busy with work and running around after dd, its been a busy couple of weeks.

Will catch up on threads and post again soon. off to see Blood Brothers tomorrow night, so I will probably be back on again on Thursday night.

weehector · 14/04/2010 07:55

vix How brave you you are, back then and now. You articulated your feelings & experience of the subject beautifully, demonstrating exactly how the decision to abort beyond medical reasons can be a responsible & compassionate one. You sound sorted & lovely - you're going to be a super mum.

neenz · 14/04/2010 08:52

Vix, thanks for sharing your story - it's interesting to hear that such an early abortion can still provoke all those feelings of guilt and sadness. I have always felt that if I ever had an unwanted pregnancy I'd want an abortion before 6wks cos then at least there is no heartbeat. But as your experience shows, even that does not prevent all those negative emotions.

Good for you for trying breastfeeding. I am reading The Politics Of Breastfeeding at the moment and I cannot put it down - it is an amazing book. Thanks blueberries for recommending it!

cakeywakey · 14/04/2010 09:08

Vix hope you're feeling ok, you're so brave to post about your experience. Abortion is such an emotive issue and, like many of the other posters, I'm lucky not to have been in a position where I've had to take such a difficult decision. Un-MN hugs to you.

On a completely trivial note, my DD found a box of breastpads this morning that I've bought in case I start leaking before the baby arrives. She was very proud to show me the 'snowman' that she'd built with them on her bedroom floor

marzipananimal · 14/04/2010 09:12

Thanks vix for sharing. I'm so glad this is a nice friendly thread! I think being pg has made me both more pro-choice and more pro-life if that's possible! More pro-life because I find the idea more upsetting now I have a baby kicking inside me but more pro-choice cos I can appreciate more now how terrifying and extremely difficult it would be to face a pregnancy that is unplanned. Pg is hard enough when you want it!

I think my skin has got worse I have a spotty face and rough patches on my arms. Although I'm feeling a lot better than in the first trimester, I definitely couldn't say I'm blooming!

Chulita · 14/04/2010 09:23

vix, you're very brave to share your experiences like everyone's said already. I think each person has to make their own decisions based on their situation. I'm pro-life simply because as a christian that's what I believe. No matter what you believe though it's a massively hard decision to make.

I'm beginning to wonder how on earth this summer is going to pan out. DD still wakes up at least twice a night and while I wasn't pg I could deal with it but now I'm just shattered. Last night she was up over 10 times before midnight and then cried off and on from then. I can't imagine the sheer exhaustion of a newborn on top of this awful toddler sleeplessness DH is no good at getting up at night either so it's up to me.

bouncingblueberries · 14/04/2010 09:23

Wow Vix that's such a sensitive post. Before I had ds I was very, very pro-choice. There are lots of reasons women choose to have an abortion and I think it's vital that they have that choice. When you take that choice away, women often take desperate measures . Now I'm a mum, I couldn't imagine having an abortion, but 10 years ago, if I'd found myself pregnant, I probably would have considered it. So actually, I'm still pro-choice, it's just not a choice I would make for myself at this precise moment in time (but that's because I'm lucky to be in a loving, stable relationship now and am financially secure). You're so right vix, it's not a black and white straightforward issue.

But, well done you vix for deciding to give breastfeeding a go! That's a wonderful decision to make and even if you only do it for a couple of feeds, it will make a huge difference to both your future health and that of your lovely baby. Go vix, go vix, go vix!

Hereby finishes the latest meeting of the vix appreciation society

Chulita · 14/04/2010 09:30

On a completely different note, what in the world is this ?? people must buy them or they wouldn't sell them...

bouncingblueberries · 14/04/2010 09:36

neenz glad you're enjoying the politics of breastfeeding I found it a real eye-opener, even though I knew most of the facts already, I was a bit hazy on the theory and reasoning behind them. Made me really, really angry at times and dh is quite glad I'm now finished it and let him read his book in peace at bedtime! I'm now reading New Active Birth: A Concise Guide to Natural Childbirth by
Janet Balaskas, well trying to at least. I keep falling asleep!

bouncingblueberries · 14/04/2010 09:41

Oh chulita you poor thing - sleep deprivation is no fun. How old is your dd now? My ds was a shocking sleeper when he was younger but seems to have grown out of it now. We do have to make sure our weekends/days off are action packed in order to exhaust him totally (this will not be so easy to do with a new born I imagine!). Sorry - not much help am I! But you know what, I couldn't imagine coping with a newborn before I had ds and now I can't imagine how we're going to cope with 2 children, but I know we will find a way...somehow!

Aussieng · 14/04/2010 09:56

HI ladies - just a quickie because I have a document to get out at work and I'm "allowed" to go home as soon as it is finished so talk about incentivised!!!

Just want to say "thanks" (most appropriate word I could come up with) to Vix for sharing your story. The only bit of your post I found upsetting was how hard it was for you and how horrible the lack of support you had from people who should have been there for you. Again congrats to you and your DH - 14 years is amazing especially given what you have gone through together. Also I'm super excited that you're trying bf. Not sure why coz I'm definitely not a pro bf militant - I think it is just that again we had a sensible talk about it, you read around it and decided to see how it works out which I think is kinda cool.

Sympathies to Chulita. I nearly passed out in Asda last night and I think it was entirely down to being a bit tired (ie one night of not sleeping to well) and being an hour late for my dinner so I can't imagine how you are coping. On the other hand - I love the fishy toilet Wonder if DH fancies that in "his" bathroom...

babyducky · 14/04/2010 10:05

Thanks for sharing your story vix, you are very brave, it doesn't make you a bad person at all, I really cannot believe your sister though!

Will catch up later, have a good day all

LilyPad72 · 14/04/2010 10:12

Vix wow. Very brave of you to tell us all. I completely sympathise and at that age I would have done exactly the same thing, for the same reasons. I think there's a lot to be said for not having kids until you're 'grown up' enough to cope yourself - how disappointing to be forced to give a child a life you'll resent for being of lesser standards than you were ultimately working towards? Luckily for me, I didn't have to go through what you went through - although did rush in panic to the GP for the morning after pill twice in my early 20's, so it could easily have been me.
I'm also vegetarian for the same reasons you are, so I really do understand your agony of choice. It is such a personal issue - the right or wrong answer depends so much on the individual and the stage of life they are at. It makes having a 'black or white' set of rules laid down to be uniformly right for everyone very hard.

I seem to have developed carpal tunnel - woke me up at 3am and didn't get back to sleep afterwards. Have to start my essay on the cardiovascular system today, but can barely prop my eyelids up. REALLY don't want to have to take it on holiday with me next week - that would just be too depressing...

Chulita · 14/04/2010 10:19

blueberries she's 17 months but has been a dodgy sleeper since birth. We had 3 good months over Christmas and since then it's been crap! We were going to go to toddler group today but she fell out of her cot while I was in the shower so now I'm trying to find the bits to put the side back on higher even though it makes it painful for me to get her in...what a nightmare!

bouncingblueberries · 14/04/2010 10:24

oh lilypad the cardiovascular system - eek. My worst subject area! I had to write 6 modules of GP education on the cardiovascular system during the first trimester of this pregnancy and I can't remember a single thing about it Good luck!

chulita you need cake and quick. The bigger the better!

starshaker · 14/04/2010 10:47

Hi all well im back home. Its nice to go away but its great to be back. My mum thought it would be nice to tell me i was lucky just to have twins as it turns out there is a few sets of triplets in our family aswell.
Cant wait till tomorrow (9am) so i can hopefully find out what team im on. Soo excited

CherryPie3 · 14/04/2010 11:14

Hi girls

Just read through everyones posts.

Vix - that was quite a post!! Hats off to your honey, you've been through so much. And go you for deciding to try bf!!!

Chulita Chin up honey, you'll figure a routine out don't worry. Your dd may have settled into her own night-time routine by then. And is that a real aquarium???? (and slightly disgusted!)

Welcome back coffeelady, how are you? Hope you have a fab time tonight at the theatre!!!

CazEm and Bubba - I had to count the list 3 times just to make sure I hadn't counted people twice!! I was very very to see that many babies in one month. I suspect we won't hear about the birth of quite a few as already we are a few ladies down who don't post. But still.....72 babies!!!!!

MrsZaC How you feeling today hun??

Love to all - nothing happening here - I'm at work and bored. My mum is ill and I'm wondering whether she should really be looking after dd and ds, but I called to see if she wanted me to come home and she says to stay at work so hey ho.

Love to all xxx

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