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Due April 2009 - Chapter 32: Shake your pom poms, Shake your pom poms, Shake your pom poms!!!

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BabyBolat · 27/04/2009 18:22

Hope no one minds I gave Nutty the vote after her epic birth!

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Bicnod · 02/05/2009 14:34

Hi everyone... sounds like everyone's having similar issues. My right nipple is really sore and cracked I've started using a silicone nipple shield to give it a chance to heal - doesn't seem to bother Oscar which is good - and I'm using lansinoh cream after every feed. Really hope it gets better soon as am beginning to dread feeds...

I'm sooooooooo tired. I keep trying to sleep when Oscar sleeps but I can't seem to switch off. I think I've had about 8 hours since he was born last sunday... is this normal? I'm hoping I'll be able to get used to napping at some point soon... keep telling myself that no-one ever died of lack of sleep and that resting is almost as good as proper sleeping but not sure I really believe it myself.

On the upside, Oscar is absolutely gorgeous and managed to maintain his birth weight when he was weighed by the midwife on Friday

I've uploaded a couple of pics...

I know I don't post very often but I do read most of the posts on here and it is a tremendous comfort to know that other people are feeling the same things as I am... thank you all x x x

BabyBolat · 02/05/2009 14:45

Hello all

taken me ages to catch up!

Springy he froze it apparently - then chopped and re-wrapped - he is very precise so looked completely new!

OK just read your rant - having not been in the counselling session it is difficult to know what was actually said, having said that and knowing what the original issues were for then I am not sure why on earth half of those things were mentioned - Firstly why on earth would you ever move in with students and what on earth is she going on about with the divorce - from what you have posted since george came along DH totally adores him and george DH! Also, I thought counsellors were meant to listen and help people come to their own conclusion not offer up opinions and conclusions of their own - especially in one session! Why would you need extra support when you have us - stupid woman! I would try and not think about it for a while and talk to DH about it in a week or so and see what he thinks - it sounds like a waste of time but he has to decide himself if he wants to go back.

Soon to be there are 2 positions for close carrier, up right and led at an angle (instructions on the cd) if you use the second one bfing is pretty easy - the only issues I have with it is constantly adjusting the ring fittings for Karahans changing weight and positions.

Trista, my bleeding stopped after a week or so but had discharge for another 2 weeks then completely went.
Re tomorrow - every time you have a wobble look at your two little boys and think about the fact that you made the decision for them and no-one else. And I know it will be hard but wouldn't it be great if you were really strong and happy and had him wondering what the feck he has done!

Springy - my HV knew NOTHING about contraception at all - was so shocked - told me to talk to the dr at my 8 week check! And she bought it up! I hate condoms too!

Springy and Soon2be - I second nutty - def get a smear done - things down there scare me to death so make sure you have regular checks!

Nutty I think you will have another one (not yet but in a while) and you may have a really easy pregnancy next time!

Bleu, kara suffers from constipation and screams until he fills his pants!

Re bfing - have said this before I know but really stop if it is hurting too much - IT IS NOT FAILING - in fact admitting it is not helping you both is being a better parent than struggling and distressing yourself and Megan! I try not to be too opinionated on this thread but seriously (please don't flame me anyone) it is wrong that people are made to feel like they have failed if they FF, BFing is not the bee-all and end all - yes it's nice, economical and the first few weeks do provide SOME benefits (although this is not to say they are essential as other ff babies are perfectly fine) but really don't let it over-take you - it is not for everyone and I know lots of lovely healthy babies that were 100% ff and are fine lovely people - Also I strongly believe it has nothing to do with the mother and is to do with the baby - they either take to it or they don't - don't let people pressure you and don't let your own emotions make you feel like you have failed - you are doing brilliantly and I would have stopped after a week if I was feeling the pain you have been!

Lauren - oooooooh lovely pics

Brett in normal and fine - I get of lots of things on and off the thread - it's part of normal life and feelings which as long as you love what you have too is perfectly normal.

Right better go - just sneaked away from the workers (ceiling is going up as we speak) to catch up! I realised I have turned in to my mother and am obsessed with cleaning - they popped to the shop to buy the plaster and I was on my hands and knees hoovering up the crap from the old ceiling, tidying the kitchen and lounge and felt relieved when it was done - was very stressed out when I saw the mess!
I laugh at my mum for continuously hoovering and stressing over crumbs on the floor and it's me!

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BabyBolat · 02/05/2009 14:49

Bicnod - he's lovely!!!

8 hours seems a bit harsh on your body to be fair - is there anyone that can watch him while you have a really good sleep? You sound like you are coping amazingly, I would be on the floor on 8 hours sleep a week! Becoming a mum does really give you that extra strength doesn't it!

DOn't worry about posting - just come whenever - tis nice to hear from you

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PuzzleRocks · 02/05/2009 14:58

Bicnod - Oscar is very cute. Great hair.

AuldAlliance · 02/05/2009 15:35

Juwesm, my baby won't go to sleep anywhere other than my arms, and clearly prefers the boob. But too much sucking = sore tummy and crying = no sleep.
Had a tricky night, and bought a dummy this morning, though I'm not a fan and am worried about how to get him off it.

Juwesm · 02/05/2009 16:54

"Springy he froze it apparently - then chopped and re-wrapped - he is very precise so looked completely new!" - took me ages to remember what this was referring to - had some very ideas until I got it!

Auld - glad to hear it's not just me! I am definitely guilty of letting him nibble away to his heart's content when he's clearly no longer drinking. I have some dummies, but am also reluctant to use unless I get desperate. Last night, I spent the whole night propped sitting-up with pillows, dozing, with Hugo sleeping across my lap on my feeding pillow. It seemed easier than trying to get him to sleep in basket, getting frustrated that he won't, and less worrying than having him actually in bed with us.

BTW - have been browsing Mumsnet Classics - love your blue-tac, lighter fuel Ayrton Senna reconstruction!

SpringySponge · 02/05/2009 17:54

Ju, don't feel crazy about him not sleeping anywhere but your arms - I don't remember the last time I posted with two hands free. Actually, I do - it was my rant last night. But DH was holding him then. & before that, I'm not even sure it's happened for 3 weeks.

Bicnod, well done for Oscar maintaining his weight! Especially if you're in pain. & he is gorgeous, you're right.

BB, I'm impressed by DH's ingenuity! Did he get it right on the first go? Or was there a Kinder Egg massacre?

Haha, I just laughed when you asked why I'd need extra support when I have you - excellent point! I would be struggling on my own, but I really don't feel like I am. I'll tell him to tell her that my internet friends are good enough. I wonder what she'll diagnose me with then

Oh gosh, I love that you're your mother Fantastic

WRT dummies, I caved in & bought one. He refuses to take it anyway

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AuldAlliance · 02/05/2009 18:11

I'd agree that if BFing is causing too much pain and heartache, there is no shame or failure in stopping.

Re the sleeping in your arms thing, have just read an article (well you have to do something while he lies in a drug-like haze after a feed!) suggesting that babies need to sleep in close proximity to their parents, as that was a survival requirement: an empty room/cave meant that adults had maybe been eaten by wild beasts and the baby's instinct was to yell and cry for help if that happened. So it's profoundly unnatural to expect young babies to sleep alone calmly in cots.
Reassured me anyhow!!
Springy, I suspect Alex will reject the dummy too, since my little finger makes him scowl and pull faces.
Have resigned myself (with the help of another article) to the idea that in the evenings, my baby needs to feed and suck for hours. So I'll continue crashing out in a sitting up position, with him somewhere at knee level!
Hugs to everyone who needs them.
Think of me tomorrow when MIL arrives. Those of you on the South coast may feel the tension from there!

BabyBolat · 02/05/2009 18:21

LOL Auld - good luck with the MIL!!!

Re sleeping in arms - my HV actually encourages it and says that babies should be hugged as much as possible! Kara sleeps with me (she doesn't encourage that!) after his last night feed until his 6.30 wake up and spends a lot of time sleeping on me during the day - especially after a feed but am lucky as he is happy to sleep in his moses basket too - HATES his cot at the moment thought so will have to build up to that! Although felt a bit bad as woke up at 5.30 this morning with him falling off my tummy - I woke up thought which is a bonus but he was hanging head first down my side - he didn't wake up though lazy bum so may have to get in to the sitting up position a tad more!

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BabyBolat · 02/05/2009 18:21

Springy - 2nd go!

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Juwesm · 02/05/2009 18:27

LOL @ drug-like haze. I often think, as Hugo's eyes roll back, and milk dribbles from the corner of his mouth, that he looks like a little lacto-junkie who's just had a fix!

Wise words Nutty. Formula + happy Mummy must be better than breast + miserable Mummy, non?

I have HobNobs, caramel choc Digestives, choc-chip Maryland cookies and Pringles (ready-salted). Help yourselves. Wish I had a Kinder egg though.

SpringySponge · 02/05/2009 18:27

I've rad a lot of BF / FF threads recently (& have just created my own, if any of the experts have a minute?) & a couple of comments have stuck with me - one was someone saying (in quite an irritated tone ) that formula is 'not the devil's piss' & that people need to stop overreacting to it as if it is, & another saying that when you walk down the street you can't tell who was BF & who was FF - it makes no difference in the long run.

I'm not enjoying it at the moment & I'm considering stopping, which makes me feel guilty - not because I'm worried about George (he's already had 3 weeks & he's a big fat lad who'll be fine whatever ), but because some of you are really struggling through & being so brave with things much worse than I'm dealing with, & I feel like a bit of a coward for even considering it.

I'm just so tired & I'm becoming sore - not because of a poor latch, but because he's attached to me for so many hours. He needs cuddling all the time anyway, but DH can't even do most of that, because I'm having to feed him for so long & so often. He's thriving at the moment - going from 8lb14 - 9lb8 in a week, at last count. Our problems aren't really affecting him overall, but my health is seriously suffering if I simply can't get any sleep. I get about an average of 6 hours in every 24 - which sounds vaguely reasonable, but it's all broken, light sleep anyway.

I'll wait & see what the BF experts say before I let myself consider things much further.

& Auld, that's really interesting about the evolutionary need for babies to be near their parents at all times. It makes me feel a little less useless

I hope your MIL has undergone some sort of personality transplant & is nothing but lovely to you Try not to terrorise her too much

BabyBolat · 02/05/2009 18:29

Thanks Juw but have just munched my way through almost an entire pack of coconut crunch biscuits!

Springy can you post the link of George and Take on Me - my sister is intrigued!

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SpringySponge · 02/05/2009 18:30

BB, DH is desperate to know what he did with the toy? Only 2 attempts is very impressive!

George wriggles off me all the time - & actually finds hanging his head off me to be strangely comfortable He's more or less a full time co-sleeper now, because he feeds so much & it's just easier.

& hmm, I'll take a couple of the HobNobs & a couple of the Maryland cookies thanks, Ju

SpringySponge · 02/05/2009 18:31

George & Take On Me

Juwesm · 02/05/2009 18:34

Am quite relieved at the amount of baby-holding . At the moment it's not a problem as DH is still at home, and I can sit here like a queen while he brings me tea and food, and has lots of Daddy cuddles so I can go to the loo etc! I'm not looking forward to him going back to work on Thurs. Suddenly I'll really have to get into practice doing everything one-handed. Though I also have a plan whereby: DH makes me sandwiches for lunch before going to work. Also a flask of tea!

Must, must, must have a practice with the sling.

BB - am impressed by Kara already having routine!

brettgirl2 · 02/05/2009 18:36

BB - I can't believe your HV knew nothing about contraception lol. What planet has she been on? It's all very well telling you to talk to the doctor at 8 weeks, you could be up the duff again by then! The problem I find is that I can't take the combined pill and everything else has fairly significant disadvantages. I may give the contraceptive implant a try for a change. MY HV hasn't talked yet about contraception but has told me that I must try to have sex before the 6 week check up, it was quite funny and out of the blue. I nearly fell off the sofa!

Hannah will take a dummy sometimes - mainly after feeding. I don't feel bad about using one, those who are evangelical about them probably couldn't get their baby to take one. When they are crying you'd use anything to shut them up

I'm not convinced that you are 'allowed' a smear test before the age of 25, unless the guidelines have changed very recently.

Thanks for the supportive posts re: breast feeding FWIW I feel OK about it now and it is a big relief to know that Hannah is getting enough food for once. I have banned myself from reading the feeding forum on here which is also helping!

I'm still bleeding steadily 2 1/2 weeks in. MW assures me it should stop by 4 weeks (and it will need to if I am to have all of this sex)

Juwesm · 02/05/2009 18:38

I wonder why you have to have sex before check-up? Maybe so you can report problems? I vaguely thought you were 'supposed' to wait until the check-up so GP could give thumbs up (so to speak).

SpringySponge · 02/05/2009 18:42

LOL at 'so to speak'. Well, I suppose I've put a tick in the sex box already. That's the first organised thing I've done for months

Juwesm · 02/05/2009 18:44

'As the actress said to the bishop' didn't seem to fit

brettgirl2 · 02/05/2009 18:44

My HV would be impressed springy. It is to report problems, she is of the opinion that women shouldn't put up with less than peak physical condition (so to speak )

SpringySponge · 02/05/2009 18:46

I don't think I've ever been in peak physical condition

Thanks for the bump on the other thread, Ju

Juwesm · 02/05/2009 18:46
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BabyBolat · 02/05/2009 18:48

Hey springy just checked out your thread - have not advice other than to cut out dairy all together for a week, then start introducing it bit by bit to see how it affects him.

From 8 weeks I am going to start to ebf at least once a day because I want him to have bm for as long as possible but I will be soon back at work and I want to be able to go out and not have to be back in 2 or 3 hours!

Going to try expressing over the weekend I think!

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