Due July 2009 - Part 4 - The Third Trimester.

[Phoenix]

A new thread, the old one's almost full

July 09 List

25th June - Christiana - DC #2 - Surprise
28th June - Woollyjo - DC #2 - Having a girl
29th June - Welshlinz - DC #2
29th June - JLo2 - DC #4 - Having a boy
29th June - Highrise - first baby
early July - lyca - DC #4
1st July - Rattling - first two babies - Surprise - TWINS
1st July - binkerbeany - DC #2
1st July - Mrsmope - DC #2 and #3 - Having 1 boy, 1 girl - TWINS
1st July - trixiechick
2nd July - Nicky6 - DC #2
2nd July - pop1973
4th July - Mum2boys2girls - DC #5
4th July - ActivityApple - first baby - Having a boy
5th July - soozze - DC #2
6th July - xxhunnyxx - first baby - Having a boy
6th July - Wiltedrose - DC #2 - Having a girl
7th July - MuppetGirl - DC #3
7th July - Misspaella - DC #3 - Surprise
7th July - QueenFee - DC #3 - Surprise
7th July - thelollipoplady - DC #3 - Having a boy
7th July - Eviebear
8th July - JetLi - first baby
8th July - deleting - DC #3 - Surprise
8th July - rubyriley - DC #3 - Having a boy
9th July - LargeGlassofRed - DC #4 AND #5 - Having 2 boys - TWINS
9th July - Betsyboo - DC #3
9th July - London11 - DC #2 and #3 - Having 2 boys - TWINS
9th July - bellybaba
9th July - Gillyan - DC #2 - Having a girl
9th July - Hobbgoblin - DC #4
10th July - Baffy - DC #2
10th July - Mij - DC #2 - Surprise
10th July - Newb - first baby - Having a girl
10th July - SafferUpNorth - first baby
10th July - eveningall - DC #2
11th July - Marsmonster - DC #2
12th July - Jenny79 - first baby - Having a boy
13th July - Scully - DC #3
14th July - doublehelp - DC #3
14th July - Naturopath - DC #2
14th July - Dannyg - DC #3 - Having a girl
14th July - LittleDoe - first baby
15th July - Accebar - Having a girl
15th July - Lydiathetattooedlady - Having a boy
16th July - BeccaBump - DC #2 - Having a boy
16th July - Knax - DC #2
16th July - NattyTomAndEllen - DC #3
16th July - SheWillBeLoved - first baby
16th July - plot2 - DC #2 - Having a boy
16th July - Lillabet - first baby - Surprise
17th July - Patchybob - DC #3 - Surprise
17th July - Phoenix - DC #2 - Having a boy
17th July - alibobble - DC #2 - Surprise
17th July - Bozette - DC #2 - Having a girl
17th July - BrumOne - first baby
18th July - maxmissie
19th July - Dinkyboysmum - DC #2
19th July - busyemma - DC #3
20th July - LBK - first baby
20th July - Belgrano - DC #2 - Having a boy
22nd July - ray81
22nd July - chellebelle - DC#4
23rd July - Andie01 - DC #2
24th July - Madoldbird - DC #3 - TWINS
24th July - Lastboxoftampons - first baby
24th July - Moominmoma - first baby
24th July - Lyrebird - first baby
24th July - ilikeyoursleeves - DC #2
25th July - PrincessButtercup - DC #3 - Having a boy
25th July - BonzoDoodah - DC #2 - Surprise
25th July - Mickeylou - DC #2 - Having a girl
27th July - KitCat26 - first baby
28th July - mylilmiracle - first baby
28th July - Cheekycel - Having a girl
29th July - Brainmish - DC #2
29th July - Poppet45 - first baby
30th July - Mavornia - DC #2
31st July - madeinamerica - first baby - Having a girl
31st July - littlepipbumpmummy - DC #2
31st July - EarthMotherWannabe - first baby

Gillyan - Glad your little girl is staying where she is for now. Make sure you don't move a muscle and get dp to do everything for you

Hunny - It has to be your choice but how he has behaved through your pg i would be reluctant to put his name on the birth certificate. You know better than anyone {{hugs}} Love Joseph Adam

Mickeylou - Love Poppy Grace too. Hope your 3wks at work go quickly

Hope all the babies that need to move do move.

Is anyone finding their dh/dp more and more irritating by the second or is it just me?

Also is anyone else finding their hairs growing back at warp speed. My legs, arm pits etc. seem to need doing every other day (if i could be bothered to that is) This happened in my last pg too

Hiya Mij - when you are married the dad automatically gets PR as soon as baby is born.

if you arent married its the act of him turning up to the register office and going on the certificate that confers PR. eg - if honey decides to put her ex on the bc he will have to go with her to the register office. the registrar here wont put an unmarried dads name on the birth certificate without him being present and therefore consenting. after all, you could tell them anybody is the dad if he didnt have to be there!

if dad isnt on the birth certificate he can get PR either by consent (mum signing a PR agreement) or by applying to the court.

hope thats a bit clearer.

Thanks again for your lovely messages, I will definately keep you all posted.

queenfee hope you are okay?

honey I didn't put 'his' name on the birth cert, as you know I had DD on my own. It scares me to think they can apply for PR anyway though, good job mickey is here with all the advice.

I slept from 11.30 - 8.30!!!!!!!!! I woke up about 10 times for a wee and to change sides but went straight back to sleep. It would be amazing but my hips are paying for it today. I must of been totally shattered to sleep through the pain in them!

I've not even got dressed yet, I've watched about 10 episodes of SATC and thought to myself I should really go and have a shower and get dressed now.

thats alot of SATC gillyan - you will be calling baby Carrie, Charlotte, Miranda or Samantha!! great that you got a good nights sleep - hope its the same tonight.

mickylou thanks for the advice, very useful. Just one question tho, if I didn't put him on the birth cirtificate and he decided to apply for PR, wouldn't he have to prove that he is the father and wouldn't I be able to refuse a DNA test?

Thanks mickey for clarification.

Gillyan v about your night's sleep. Although can hardly begrudge you it considering what you've been through recently .

bugger bugger bugger getting sod-all work done here (and not just mumsnet's fault - just can't get my brain into gear).

mickylou re the drink - he doesnt drink every single day, but most. If he hasn't got any money during the week he'll often just stay in and not touch any drink but if he has money he'll usually go and get some cider and sit in and drink or go to a mate's house and drink with them. It scares me sometimes cos it's like he just CAN'T stop, like he's a man possesed! There's been times when we've gone to bed and he's got up and gone downstairs to finish the booze cos he can't sleep knowing that there's drink to be drank.
And as far as the word 'alcoholic' is concerned, I think he thinks that by saying he's an alcoholic it diminshes some of his responsibility to knock it on the head. Kinda like 'well I'm an alcoholic so it's not my fault I'm like this'.
It makes it even more frustrating that one of his friends died only 6 months ago and it was partly due to him drinking way too much, admittedly it wasn't directly linked but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have died if he didn't drink so much (IYKWIM?). But he doesn't see the link between the drink and his death.

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christiana have you tried kneeling with your head resting below your bump so your bum is in the air? you sort of let your bump hang down - we are taught it at pregnancy yoga as a good position for turning baby....also, avoid sitting leaning back, try straddling a narrow (dining) chair leaning slightly forwards

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christiana Hope baby shifts for you! My friend had the turning thing done, she needed gas and air and baby didn't move. She chose a section in the end and all was well. Good look!

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ah so you have a stubborn one in there christiana!! hope all goes well tomorrow - I've got my growth scan and hopefully a decision re. homebirth vs section!

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thank you

I just really want to have a decision now so I can actually plan - although judging from the last few days feelings it may be sooner than later, had period type aches, lots of bh's, slightly upset tummy...general feeling of foreboding!!

christiana My friend had this at 36 weeks with her 4th. She said the Dr had to stop half way through and get her breath as apparently it is hard work. She did say however it didn't hurt her, the baby moved and was born naturally a couple of weeks later.

I have been given an appointment for thursday as the only other appointment with the consultant was July so a bit late then!
Kepp your fingers crossed for me ladies Kids know how to stress you out don't they and these little nippers arn't even born yet! Hope all the babies who need to move do so for you and those who need to stay right where they are do so too!

TMI but my DH is now probably the happiest man in the world as I have insited we have sex as often as poss (no I can't be bothered but if it helps with induction/birth I will do anything ) I have also started taking evening primrose oil amongst other things. Now I really sound desperate!

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Hiya Hunny sorry i didnt answer you yesterday.

if you dont put him on the birth certificate and he applies to the court for a PR order he wouldnt need to prove he was the biological dad. he would only have to do this if you tell the court there is some doubt about paternity. since there isnt that would mean you would be fibbing to the court.

if there was some doubt about paternity and you raised it the court can order you to submit to a DNA test.

if you do decide to put him on the certificate he will get PR so you will need to think seriously about applying for a Residence Order.

re the drinking - i have personal experience of dealing with an alcoholic (who is thank god now recovered and in AA). your ex hasnt sunk to the depths that my loved one did but it certainly sounds as though he has the beginnings of a problem. this person was always a bottle of wine a night type person but nobody realised there was anything wrong with that until it had got completely out of control.

about your ex's friend - i may be wrong but alot of alcoholics dont die from liver related illness but from accidents caused by being drunk like falling down stairs or from catching pneumonia and not having the strength to fight it.

to be honest having seen what alcohol can do i am absolutely terrified of the stuff!!! i know what its like to want to just shake someone and make them stop what they are doing but nobody can stop your ex drinking except himself. its only then that he might find he actually cant stop and will have to get some help.

i know it sounds callous but just make sure you put yourself and your little one first and dont let his problems spoil even one second of being a mum!! [lots of hugs]

Christiana sorry to hear that the baby is breech. Hopefully you will get it sorted one way or another. At least you know now, before going into labour. I have 2 friends who went into labour naturally and it was not until they went in to give birth that they found out their babies were breech. Last min CS done for both of them. Let us know what you decided. Oh and if you find another way of having a baby that does not incl natural birth or CS let me know. The less painful it is the better....here's wishing.

Gillyan I really thought you would have been posting a birth announcement. This baby has really kept you on your toes! Hope you are well.

Hunny sorry to hear about your bf troubles. I really don't know what to say.

Breastfeeding q for Queenfee / Mij
How long should a baby bf for straight from birth? I only ask as DS didn't bf straight from birth due to complications and DD did BUT she did for over 45min (is that normal or was there some comfort sucking going on?). DD had a undetected tongue tie and by feeding for so long in addition to her tt my nipples were ravaged from the start. I really want my 3rd bf experience to get off to the right start. Any advice welcome.

Hope everyone is ok on this grim day.

Thanks mickylou, I'm supposed to be seeing him later so I might try and talk to him about it all.
I think I'm gonna put off registering the birth for a while so I can see how he is and whether he shows any signs of change. Who knows this baby might be the making of it (well I can live in hope!).
I just feel such a loser that I'm havin a baby with someone like this and what makes it worse is that it was planned, I feel like all this is my fault and like I've let my baby down .

Just seen the mw and all is good, bp is good and baby's head is making it's way down, not quite engaged but it's getting there

Hello to all

i hated the hot weather! glad its cooled down

Hospital bag is packed, only have to put a few snacks in.

Got another scan and consult app next wk, so fingers are crossed he is in the correct position for birth. other wise its a c-section which i really dont wont again.

hubby woke me up over the weekend and pushed me over saying he counldnt sleep because he was being kicked in the bk. cheeky

Christiana, I had ecv with dd1 7yrs ago, at Chelsea & Westminster. She didn't turn and I ended up with a c/s but I am glad I tried. For me it was uncomfortable but not painful.
Sorry, 10pm here so will write more tomorrow, time for bed

Christiana try putting a cold shower onto the top of your tummy. It helped turn my DD as she didn't like the cold feeling and moved away from it.

Prams - tricky business isn't it. People seem to get very precious. We visited my DH's friends whe I was preg last time. The woman gushed that they had a lovely pram system and how great it was and how much we'd like it - it was perfect for us - got the leaflet out to show us and said how much she liked it and how wonderful it was. Said she'd kept it safely tucked away as she couldn't bear just anyone to have it .... I was thinking well it looks okay but it's bigger than I'd want ... but you know ... if they're offering it and I don't have one ... anyway she went on about it and then said " yes we didn't want just anyone to have it - we wanted to sell it to someone we liked" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [psycho emoticon]
ermmmmmmmmmmm - we politely declined.

on names - I'm married but kept my own name so DD has my surname as a middle name. I wanted her to have my name somewhere but not double-barrelled. My sister wasn't married and gave her childern the father's surnme - but then they split up very acromoniously. She had to put up with the children having his name and being called Mrs twat Ex at School etc. The children finally asked if they could change their names to hers!

Hi all
Just got back from a panic trip to the Feto-maternal Assessment Unit. Movements had deteriorated sharply from Saturday evening onwards. They had gone from B-I-G roll-y sweep-y movements - unmistakeable and visible from the outside - to eventually become more like just the little wee flutterings I had much earlier on. And all my tricks stopped working like icy cold water and ice cream. But all's fine - been on a monitor for a bit and they also did an ultrasound so I finally got to see baby (I never saw a thing at my 20 week scan). All measurements, movements, amnioitic fluid, cord blood flow etc. look spot-on and weight is estimated about 6lb (I know they're inaccurate but that didn't make me wince too much!!). Baby is head down ready to go - little rascal was blowing kisses at us. So I arrived there somewhat stressed with BP of 140/92 and came away somewhat less stressed with BP 110/72.
They were really very nice about it all as I was terrified of being thought of as a nuisance. I think my BP had them a bit scared too, since I've averaged 100/60-ish in the rest of pregnancy.

Hi christiana - my pal had acupuncture as well as moxibustion to try and turn her little girl. They did the acupuncture where they insert the needles and then use a machine to apply electricity to them to make it even more powerful - not sure what the proper name for it is though, and I remember she said it wasn't pleasant. Sadly it didn't work for her but we think she needed more sessions, and it was over Christmas/New Year so impossible to get enough appointments in with all the holidays. She binned the ECV idea - first (and last) baby after 6 goes at IVF and two miscarriages - she just wanted her out so opted for the CS. She was a very good advert for CS - no complications or anything and she was up and about and back to normal very quickly. The only thing that bothered her was the longer stay in hosp. but even that wasn't so bad as the CS ladies get private rooms/bathrooms locally. I have asked her recently if she knows why her DD was breech - I wasn't sure if when they'd gone in for the section, they'd found the cord around her neck or something, but she said there was no particular reason that they told her about.

{{{{hugs}}}} for you hunny - the limit for registering the birth is 42 days. Have you got lots of back-up plans in case he lets you down for the birth or afterwards? If you like, give me his name and address and I'll go round and give him a very large slap

Hi Gillyan - hope your feet are well and truly up and you're resting lots.

Going to pack my bag tonight I think. Scared myself silly today, so I really ought to grow up and get my shit act together now and behave like there actually is a baby coming, instead of swanning about like I'll be preggers forever.

Hope the scan goes well becca and I hope you and hubby are having much bedroom fun Queenfee - DP recoils in horror when I mention the "S" word in our house. Will have to model the new Hotmilk lingerie at the weekend and see if I can't entice him into ripping it off me!!