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December 2008 Once you pop you can't stop

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Veggiemummy · 10/12/2008 18:23

surely most of us will go on this one

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Olipop · 28/12/2008 20:20

I can't remember Trace...sorry!!! I would guess that it may be a growth spurt or maybe its a comfort thing...not really sure. Are any of the midwives or BF clinics open tomorrow?

EffiePerine · 28/12/2008 20:21

trace: growth spurt? There's usually one at arond 3 weeks IIRC. Is she a bit grumpier than usual as well? If it is a spurt it should settle down as your supply catches up

Olipop · 28/12/2008 20:21

Oh, and I think the sore nips thing would be helped by leaving them out in the open so to speak!

EffiePerine · 28/12/2008 20:23

also if she's being a bit sicky and feeding quickly, could you have a fast letdown? Some tips here:

www.kellymom.com/bf/supply/fast-letdown.html

Olipop · 28/12/2008 20:23

I'm having a hopefully baby inducing glass of bubbly with DH...how decadent!!!!!

Olipop · 28/12/2008 20:23

I'm having a hopefully baby inducing glass of bubbly with DH...how decadent!!!!!

EffiePerine · 28/12/2008 20:24

Oli: I had a couple of glasses of fizz on Xmas Day - enjoy!

Olipop · 28/12/2008 20:24

oops...and I've only had one sip!

Olipop · 28/12/2008 20:25

I'll be quadruple posting later!!! Good for you Effie! I resisted but am starting to feel jealous of all the boozing going on!

JamInMyWellies · 28/12/2008 20:30

trace have you thought about giving her a dummy is she actually feeding or using you as a dummy? All I can say my love is it will get better not much help at the mo but keep on going you are doing brilliantly.

Massive congrats to all our new mummy's.

Things here are going ok I still have sore boobs but they are not bleeding anymore - yeah. But the initial latch is quite painful. We saw the midwife today for discharge and my wee man has managed to gain weight so is now 4oz over his birth weight. Huzzah.

kayzr · 28/12/2008 20:34

Hello,

Veggie Jordan is a lovely name. Looking forward to hearing his middle name.

Congratulations to all the new babies.

Any tips for getting Dylan to go to sleep before 1? He will only go to sleep earlier if he is our bed.
Which is ok but and I know I might be being selfish but I'd like to be able to cuddle DH. I spent so long with a huge bump and not being able to get close enough to cuddle him, I want a cuddle!!!

traceface · 28/12/2008 20:44

Jam - yes I give her a dummy to settle her after a feed because she seems to root around all the time, but if I feed her she's sick, so I feed her then plug in a dummy to put her down for a sleep. She's a bit picky about whether she'll keep it in but it is helping.
Thanks for the link Effie
Perhaps it is a growth spurt - she has been harder to settle too - the HV is coming for the first time tomorrow so I will ask her about it.
and Oli - enjoy your bubbly!!!
Kayz - sorry I've no answers to your problem but you have my sympathy! Phoebe seems to be getting worse at settling in her basket, not better! It's exhausting this mummy business! Hope you have a better night xxx

EffiePerine · 28/12/2008 20:45

growth spurt info as well

www.kellymom.com/bf/normal/growth-spurt.html

Olipop · 28/12/2008 20:49

I second the dummy...I can remember laying in bed with DS in his moses basket and basically holding it in!!!!! Not very comfy but you'll do anything for peace and quiet!!!
Bubbly went down too quickly!

Ohh I meant to say that Jordan is a lovely name, my friends who came round today have a male Jordan! He is about 10 and doesn't seem to get any grief about his buxom namesake!

kayzr · 28/12/2008 20:50

Thanks Trace, I hope you get a decent night too.

Once he is asleep he sleeps for anything between 5 and 7 hours. Which is great but its just the getting him to sleep.

VersOComeAllYeFaithful · 28/12/2008 20:59

Seven hours! wow!!!

trace that really sounds like a growth spurt to me. It's really really tough, but if you go with it for a day or so you should find it eases up as your milk supply increases in response. I was going to suggest a dummy too - but see you already use one. (I didn't with DD1 and REALLY wish I had. DD2 loves hers.) For sore nipples I find the silverette things work well - just to keep my bra from rubbing on them. I've been having to use Daktarin for thrush but before that would agree that Lansinoh is good.

mibbes - firstly on the nappy front it's normal for them to start to store poos up after a while rather than doing little ones all the time. DD2 didn't do one for a day and then did an explosive one all over me and four other clean nappies yesterday while I was attempting to clean her up .

As far as PND is concerned, the difference for me is that I am actually capable of planning ahead, or even looking ahead. When I had PND I felt my life was effectively over and it just felt like the walls were closing in on me. This time round I can see there will be an end to the exhaustion - eventually. Also I have moments where I can laugh (eg nappy moment yday) - whereas with PND I just felt despairing the whole time.

That's not to say this weepiness and tiredness won't turn into PND... but at the moment I'm sure it is just a normal response to broken sleep (which messes with your head at the best of times).

kayzr · 28/12/2008 21:01

I know Verso we have been very lucky. Though if you tell that to my breasts when I wake up I'm sure they will tell you different.

artichokes · 28/12/2008 21:12

Gosh, lots of new babies since i last posted, congratulations to Reban, SL, DPB, Nolda, WG, ZJ, Lowrib, Kimberley and Simmo !!!!

Good luck Ice, Emma, Effie and others who are on the edge.

sorry to those who are feeling wobbly. i have tearful and anxious moments and would def seek help if they started to dominate.

its v hard to post nowadays as i always have a baby or a toddler in arms. two is alot more work than one! i could put dd2 down more, and many would say i should so that she does not get used to constant human touch, and learns to self settle, but i adore the cuddly newborn phase. i just can't put her down!

so far he nights are ok. dd seems to sleep 10 to 2ish. feed for 20mins then sleep 'til 5.30ish. short feed and then through to 9ish. its great as long as a pesky burp doesn't disrupt things.

xmas was great. lots of lovely pressies for us all. dh booked us all a lovely weekend away in the spring in the family suite at babbington house which is a gorgeous hotel/spa. he also got me a v nice bracelet and necklace and a cath kidson baby change bag. he is normally crap at pressies so this was a big turn up for the books!

mibbes · 28/12/2008 21:19

trace, Olipop and Verso thank you so much for the advice. Given what has been said by those who have suffered in the past I am pretty sure this is just baby blues as am fine a lot of the time, just easily set off by anything happy/baby/family-related. I am pretty sure that the mini-meltdown earlier was due to sleep deprivation - I was a real '8 hours a night' girl before so this BFing and broken sleep is a real shock to the system.

Cat sending you cyber hugs - it is difficult isn't it, but hopefully with the support on this thread and simply knowing that there are others in the same boat we'll be just fine

We keep hearing DS making explosive noises in his nappy and then eagerly checking for poo only to discover it was an almighty fart ! Oh how my hobbies have changed

Veggiemummy · 28/12/2008 22:35

Trace that was such a good assessment tool for PND I think they should get you to do a new questionairre for the HVs. Also u probably do but thought I would just check do you burp DD, if not maybe reason for the possits. Otherwise sounds like either growth spurt or a latch issue. It is better to continue feeding off the sore boob if you can. Just to be sure though get someone to assess her latch as sometime long feeding can be to do with latch. DS2 has a small mouth and he finds it difficult to take a big mouthful of my boob so had quite sore nipples initially. He is getting better but sometimes I put a little pressure on his chin to get him to open his mouth wider.

Arti do not put that child down cuddle all you like. We did with DS1 and we feel he is a more confident child now he's older because of it and certainly doesn't expect continuous attention now he's older which is what we were told he would be like if we 'spoilt' him with cuddles. In fact he is quite the opposite. I have been reading the continuum concept that back this up too.

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chutneymary · 28/12/2008 22:50

Hi girls

Just a very quick one from me tonight as I keep losing my internet connection. Congratulations to all those who have had babies - Reban, DPB, Nolda, Kim, WaitingGirl, Simmo, ZJ and lots of luck to Ice Cube, Turnip and Effie for when your times come. Anyone heard from Hatty yet? Bisou must surely have had hers by now. Who else are we waiting to hear from? I can't believe we are nearly all done. I want to do it all again but am too old and poor for 4 kids. I also keep thinking of those lovely ladies who were with us at the beginning but very sadly had to leave us. Hope that they have all had luck now and are waiting for their new bumps to happen.

Mibbes - BF babies often don't poo for days as they use their milk so efficiently. I only think you need to worry about constipation if their poo is not soft and easy to pass. I also know from experience that being close to tears a lot is part of motherhood. You are extremely tired, suddenly responsible for the well being of a completely helpless little person as well as running the rest of the family and a house. It's a big ask. At your 6 week check they will do a Qnaire on you to see if you are suffering from PND - they don't tend to do it before as your hormones are so shot that feeling very weepy etc is normal. I agree too with Verso that it is when everything seems wretched and awful that you need to worry. If you are up and down, you may well be OK>

Oh god, M crying and L just been sick, back leter.l

Bisou · 29/12/2008 01:54

Hello lovely ladies!

I'm back.... and now finally a mummy

Baby Joshua William was born on Christmas day at 8.49am. Thought I should write the birth story now while I have a minute to spare while he's (finally!) sleeping.

Things started off without the need for induction during the night of the 23rd, and my waters & heavier contractions started in the morning of the 24th at about 6am. They were pretty constant right from the start, being about 4-5min so we rang the hospital to let them know. Because the baby had still not engaged at the checkup the previous day, they asked us to go in so that they could check all was well (eg: that there was no risk of cord prolapse), then we'd most likely get sent home till we needed to be back there again. When we arrived at the hospital however, they were worried that there was a trace of meconium in the waters I'd been leaking, so they thought it best we stay anyway so that they could monitor everything. We called my mum to come and join us there as she is also a midwife & had a journey of a few hours to reach us.

So at the hospital I kept labouring in the birthing centre, using the bed or chair to lean on whenever I had a contraction. I had a checkup at about 4pm which showed that despite being in establised labour with good contractions which were about a minute long, I was still only 3-4cm dialated. Bub still wasn't engaged either, so they suggested that I should move to the delivery suite to have syntocinon to help speed things up. So we moved there and got a great room which was huge but still had a bath and double shower, both of which I used at different times for pain relief. Then at 8pm I had a checkup but despite the syntocinon was still only 4-5cm, and he'd still not properly engaged. A little bit after this I tried some gas & air but found it just made me too woozy and out of control to be able to deal with the contractions, so I gave up on that after 2 attempts. I loved the raspberry blowing technique though for getting through contractions - thank you SO much for those of you who recommended that one! I don't know if it was just my imagination, but it somehow seemed to lessen the pain or at least give something else to focus on.
At around 9.30pm I'd pretty much had enough of the labour going so slowly and was in a lot of pain, and as I was pacing around the room I noticed a tray on a trolley that said something about epidural equipment, and mid-contraction thought perhaps it would be a really good idea to have one! I had been so wanting to do everything naturally, but after 15.5hrs of contractions every 4-5mins I was just too desperate to think that I'd have to continue for so much longer with such slow dilation, so I requested for an epi and waited for the anesthetist to arrive - she was just fantastic and waited for me to be in between contractions to carry out the procedure. The change after having it was remarkable; I went from feeling so out of control and depressed that things weren't progressing, to relaxing and looking forward to the pushing stage of the labour. It was so amazing to see the contractions happening on the monitor screen, but not to feel them! I think both my mum and husband were relieved to see me out of pain, and the hospital staff brought a couple of mattresses to put on the floor so that everyone could get some sleep until I was dilated enough for them to turn down the epi for me to do some pushing.

Then at about 6. 30am on Christmas morning, a midwife did another internal and things had progressed to 8cm, but the baby still hadn't fully engaged. His head was a bit swollen too so she called a doctor to do another exam which was at about 7. 30am-ish. It was still the same (8cm), and the doctor suggested that the thought it wasn't a good sign that dilation was still a bit too slow and baby wasn't properly engaged despite quite a high dose of the syntocinon. He said that we could wait another hour or so, but that he suspected the situation would most likely still be the same and that it might be a better option to elect for a caesarean section. I asked to have a think about this, so he left and I discussed the risk factors of both options (caesarean vs waiting) with my mum & husband. In the end we all agreed that a caesarean was possibly the best solution for the health of the bub, as the meconium in the waters was still a concern, as was the prospect of having to push for up to 3hrs or more to engage & deliver the baby, which could lead to foetal distress & possibly a C/S anyway if things went wrong. So I decided that it was better to go for the slightly more known outcome of the C/S, and so the medical staff were advised I was prepped for surgery. At 8.49am Joshua was finally born on Christmas day - the best present ever! Both DH & I cried when he came out, and we got some amazing photos taken in the theatre too. He weighed 9lb 12oz with a head circumference of 37.5cm so it's just as well we went for the C/S in the end as the reason he was not engaging into the pelvis is most likely because he just wouldn't fit! I'm so glad now we didn't attempt to push him out naturally as it would have resulted in the C/S anyway and been a lot more dangerous for the health of both mum & baby.

Baby Joshua is just lovely and has his dad's curly hair, although he's a blonde at the moment (both DH & I were blondes as children though before turning brunette). We're just so thrilled to have him here with us finally, and are trying now to get feeding settled as he's a hungry boy and I seem to spend most of the time with him at my breast. Lansinoh is amazing though - I've been using it from the very beginning as a preventative and it's working well. After a lot of time going from breast to breast endlessly, we're now making sure he feeds properly by stimulating him under the chin if he starts to 'comfort suck' (no swallowing) and burping him/changing nappy when he gets too sleepy to continue to wake him enough to feed more in one session until he really can't do anything but sleep for a long period afterwards. It seems to be working for the moment, so cross your fingers for us!

Hope you are all doing really well, and best wishes for those of you still yet to have your bubs. Am looking forward to catching up with the thread once I've got a chance to read through, I don't even know if there were any other Christmas babies! I'll put up a pic too of my gorgeous boy on my profile for you all

traceface · 29/12/2008 07:55

wow congratulations Bisou!!!! Hope you're recovering well from the section...enjoy baby Joshua!

veggie - yes I burp her in various positions - she often does a big burp. She's ok while upright then when I lie her down she scream with what I think is pain, and breathes quickly and has arms and legs everywhere, then is sick - I'm thinking it might be reflux so might ask the GP about gaviscon. In my more insane moments I'm convinced it's something more dramatic (eg pyloric stenosis, bowel obstruction!) but given that she's pooing fine and gaining weight I know that can't be the case!!!

last night was much the same as the others... am hoping she settles down soon - the up-side is that she's drinking away my baby weight very efficiently!

traceface · 29/12/2008 07:59

oh and kayz - last night I remembered something that the special care nurses taught us for settling babies when we had dd1 - you basically put their arms across their chest and hold them both there with one of your hands - it is supposed to make them feel secure and stop them thrashing around. Hope you know what I mean from the description!

kayzr · 29/12/2008 07:59

Morning,

Congratulations Bisou!!!!!!!!!! He is just gorgeous. What a great Xmas pressie!!!!

I spoke too soon!! Dylan woke up at 3, I feel awful this morning. HV is coming today so I'm practising my "Of course I'm listening to you" face.

Hope you are all feeling well. I think I'm getting something, I have an awful sore throat.