Due March 2009 - 3rd thread - Aches, cravings and... is that a bump I see?!

[auntyspan]

Brand new thread ladies!

Hello ladies!

Congrats on all the great scans!

Well nothing new to report here. People are so happy about having a new President.

Meanwhile I've got two kids with diarrhea and vomiting, while my water has been accidentally shut off.

Remind me why I wated a third baby.

Hey MKG - Yes, a lot of us are excited about a new president too and thank God it's a democrat!!!

Well I now have a chesty cold that my DD2 has been suffering from (that's this week's ailment - last week it was impetigo, the week before that....) I just hope all this suffering she is going through will pay off and she'll end up fit and healthy with not illness for years!

But the bestest news of all today was that my DH FINALLY passed his driving test, 3rd time lucky, after 12 years of being together and me doing ALL the driving!!!! I am so happy! One less stress for us all. And then to top it off my OTHER best friend is also pregnant with her second so that is three of us pregnant at the same time! Oh happy days!

And if that wasn't enough my DD1 got 15/15 in her spelling test today and is well pleased with herself!

Hope you're all good.

Great news on the scans everyone !

I too had my 20 week scan today - although am 22 weeks. As I've gone on about it I was particularly worried as this was the point we first knew about dd's growth issues as she was on the 3rd centile for size at 22 weeks. Well... all was fine. Abdominal and head circumferences bang on average and legs long (thanks to dh I think - I am a midget). I was in such a state though I sobbed through the first half because I was so worried and through the second because I was so relieved. The sonographer was so lovely though.

We are having a Surprise though. We almost found out and i think maybe if I hadn't been in such a state we might have done. Lastnight I went to my book club and they did the wedding ring on a hair thing - its never been wrong in the history of book club and it said a boy..... who needs modern technology . Anyway, am back in 6 weeks for another scan to check progress so we may decide to then.

Congratulations on all the good scans!

Had a pretty serious meeting with consultant, he's never seen dodgier biochemistry than mine and I'll now see a MW every other week as he estimated a 50% risk of pre-eclampsia. I know very little about the condition but it feels like small potatoes compared to all our previous worries.

ceedub we used to live close to Lewes - love going to Bonfire Night but could never do it more than every other year - and def. not with very little ones!
Are your ears still ringing?

Love to everyone, hope you have a nice w/e. xx

Sorry about the possibly Dx, Mandy - but at least they are keeping an eye on you so will be able to intervene early if it hits!

I was flicking through the notes from my scan and noticed that the sonographer failed to tell me that despite all other measurements for Jr DD being average she has below average femur length.

I'm not sure if this means she is just going to be quite short? It's not under the abnormal line IYSWIM, but I wish I was having more scans which meant I could see if the growth is going to catch up later or slow down more.

Since the hospital accidentally missed me off the research program, I'm not getting extra scans unless my BMI is 17 or less which I won't find out until December. oh well. I guess it's not a big thing to worry about really.

NOW i'm depressed, I woke up yesterday morning and my carpal tunnel has returned . I thought I might avoid it this time (had it very badly with DD1) but no.... have got out my wrist splints but not looking forward to the next 16 weeks with numb fingers!

Have a consultant appointment a week today when they're going to discuss my care, I really want an elective c-section and I'm very nervous about it. Does anyone have any experience of the best way of approaching this?

Hi Aunty - sorry to hear about your carpal tunnel - how awful.

As for approaching a planned c-section, I would search on the pregnancy threads - there seems to be a "What's the best way to get an elective c-section" thread every week.

No news from me really -- MW appointment at 12 here at home which is nice. Feeling lots of baby kicks which is reassuring and bump ever expanding! Can't believe we're over half way there....

xx

Hi everyone,

I hope all is well.

Boobz said: "Can't believe we're over half way there...."
I know! Surreal!

Hi Aunty,
So sorry to hear about your carpal tunnel.

OK, how I approached the wish for elective CS - my essay:
I've just had consultant agree to it (this is our 1st baby). He was much harder work than MW who referred me to him after a conversation we had at my booking appointment.

Both DH and I have an (irrational, we know) fear of VB as we both have younger relatives who became severely disabled due to botched VBs.
V sad and bad luck, accidents happen and all of that. However on a deep level growing up in SN families were no sunshine stories for our parents/siblings/us and even lead to a suicide.
I explained this calmly to MW, as well as stressing that we are v aware of the risks that come with a CS.
She immediately said "Yes, I can really see you are not a good candidate for a VB - will refer you to a consultant who is v good with women who don't think they want to have a VB."
I replied, very calmly, that our anxiety levels are extreme around this issue and that we don't think that we don't want a VB - we know. She was v good about this and wrote in my notes that she strongly recommends ECS.
The consultant however came across very strongly, having a go at us more or less, saying there are way too many CSs on the NHS (er, we know that mate, many of them emergency ones due to lack of care in early labour) and saying he was 'very good at doing them' but also that he's had to do lots of hysterectomies following 'multiple' CSs lately. He was severely questioning our psychological reasons (DH got so upset he had to leave the room) and saying the SN children born in our families were probably not even damaged during the VBs (!).
It was left to me to very calmly explain we are aware of the risks, we know our fear is somewhat irrational (although that doesn't make our anxiety any less), and that this is not something we are planning on doing very often. In the end he said we shouldn't fight over it and that we've had a stressful enough PG and that he would (reluctantly) agree to an elective CS.
Felt absolutely whacked & teary afterwards but so happy I/we stood our ground and came armed with arguments. Had he not agreed we would have taken all our savings and gone private.

Did you have CSs/traumatic births with your other children? Is this something you can explain in the grilling (that may or may not happen)?
Thinking of you. xx

Aunty- Simply go in and demand what you want. And don't give up until you get it.

Mandy- Do you have a date for your surgery yet? Generally women here start getting their C/S dates around this time.

Well we have spend the weekend in a terrible cycle of vomit and diarrhea. I'm just so glad that it is almost over. Unfortunately ds2's butt is redder than I've ever seen it. Poor kid. It was a fun day on Saturday being sick, home alone with two sick kids while dh was at work. You gotta love it.

Mandy - thanks for the info. I suspected I might have a bit of a battle on my hands, it seems absurd that the mood / personality of your consultant makes a difference on how readily it's agreed to.

I did have a rough labour with DD1, I never want to go on about how awful it was as there are lots of women who go through far worse. I had pre-eclampsia and was induced a couple of days after my due date, and after 4 days in established labour (epidural so pain-free ) I had an emergency c-section when DD1s heart rate started to drop, after an accidental overdose of syntocin. After the birth I was exhausted (DD was 10lb) and couldn't feed her properly, as I lost a fair amount of blood and needed a transfusion and just generally had a sh*t time. I had very bad baby blues and struggled bonding with her... and this time I just need to feel like I have some control over the situation.

Do you think I should take someone in with me for moral support? DH is crap in situations like that (even though I think he went through as much emotional turmoil as me!) so was thinking of taking my sister, who has had three elective c-sections and is a bit more tough-skinned than me.

Ooooo sorry that's turned into an epic!!

Mandy - has the doctor told you to do anyhting to try and avoid pre-eclampsia. I am taking low dose aspirin as I had pre-ec in my first pregnancy - something to discuss maybe ?

Laweasel - in my experience of things not being right on scans, if the femur length was anything to worry about they would have flagged it annd got you back in for a repeat scan. But maybe, to put your mind at rest, discuss next time you see MW/Dr.

Aunty - sorry about the carpal's canal coming back. I had this too with my first pregnancy which I'd forgotten about until I had strange twinges at the weekend. Nothing more today but can sympathise. As for the elective c-sec, did you have a c-sec first time round ? If so, I think it is your right to have a c-sec if you want one this time. I have certainly been told that as long as there are no medical reasons for me or the baby having a c-sec then its up to me, I can choose. I'm going the other way and really want a vbac at the moment but its nice to know I have options. ONe of my friends who had a first emergency c-sec just kept telling people she would prefer a elective and they agreed in the end.

MKG - hope you're all feeling better soon.

MKG sorry to hear about the rough w/e - your poor DS's bum!

I haven't been given a date, consultant said we need to discuss the risks further and sign the consent form (presumably at next appt; dec or early jan).

Aunty well, considering what you've been through I don't think you should have any problems at all. In hindsight I'd see the consultant on my own - find it easier to stay level headed & my emotions (although strong) under control so I can express myself better that way.

Wheelybug, that's interesting, nope, nobody's told me about any precautions. Although MW, consultant and DH think I should see MW every or at least every other week now. Sounded dramatic at first but I may do that.

Gosh...havent we been quiet!! hedgewitch congrats on the scan...glad it went better than the NHS one!

Cant beleive how many pinks we have!!

All is quiet with me...apart from spending 6 hours on my feet shopping with my sister only to find I was then crippled all day sunday and yesterday, slightly recovered today! I am assuming the pain in my ankles and shind is something to do with the fact my ankles were the size of watermelons when I got home!

On 2 occasions now I have had a short sharp pain just under my ribs, exactly where you would get a stitch and it felt like a stitch aswell...but it cant have been because neither times had I been exerting myself (once i was in the car and last night in the bath!) nor had I eaten recently...does anyone else get this or know what it is?!

And finally...We emptied babies room last night, it had all DPs fishing gear and a single bed in! And then we put the cot together, it all felt a little more real! We are going to do the wardrobe and the cabinet sometime this week. Is anyone else trying to get sorted before xmas?! I go and visit my parents for a week over xmas and then its back to work full time until 6th feb when I go on maternity and I am very conscious that I want stuff sorted before I am too huge to do it!

Updated list again...and the totals so far:
5 BOYS
10 *GIRLS
14 SURPRISES

25th Feb Twocutedarlings - BOY 2DDs Aged 5&3
28th Feb Slickbird - BOY 2DDs (7yrs and nrly 1yr) [Nr.Edinburgh. Age: 35]
1st Nomorenappies DD1 3.2 years [York Age: 29]
2nd Ceedub
2nd winemakesmummyclever DS 2
2nd Spottycat DC1
2nd Lolianja DC1 SURPRISE [Essex. Age: 20]
3rd Sorchamc DD1 4.5 years
3rd MissModular DD1 21 months
4th pinktree
4th goldmother2B ? GIRL no DCs [Lancashire. Age:32]
4th Fififlores - GIRL DS1 25 months [Spain Age: 39]
4th sadiemcgradie DD1 [Age: 44]
6th Playingthe9monthwait DC1 [Hampshire, UK. Age: 26]
7th Emma2617 ? BOY DC1 [Manchester. Age: 22]
7th babyinbelly ? SURPRISE DS1 age 2 [oxfordshire. Age 22]
7th dinny ? SURPRISE DD 6yrs, DS 3yrs [Age:35]
7th auntyspan - GIRL DD1 2.5 [Cheshire, Age 34]
8th laurenypops DD1 23 mths [Age: almost 30!]
8th dorothywhipple DD 3 [UK. Age: 33]
8th MKG ? GIRL 2DS [USA. Age:29]
8th Jollyjoanne - GIRL [Cheshire, Age: 29]
9th Beetle73 DD1 almost 4 [London. Age: 35]
9th SunshineSmith 1DC
9th babyalfie 2 DC [Age: 38]
9th Elsy DD1 18months
9th Lizziemun SURPRISE DD1 4.6yrs and DD2 11mths [Age: 38]
11th firstduemarch09 DC1 [Age:29]
11th Ellora DC1 [Age: 30]
11th AmyO - SURPRISE [Age: 28]
12th HopingCat - SURPRISE DD1 20months [Age: 29]
12th Thefearlessfreak DS1 20mths [Age: 38]
13th Wheelybug ? SURPRISE DD1 3.7 [Age: 33]
15th CaptainKarvol - SURPRISE DS 2.7yrs [age 37]
15th Littlemisskiwi - SURPRISE [Age 31. New Zealand]
16th Millie26 ? GIRL [Age: 27, York]
16th Sara333 DS 6; DD 4 [Age: 35]
17th FlannelCat - GIRL 1DD 5.5yrs
17th Kat80 DD1 9; DS1 7; DD2 6
17th Gyo DC1 [Surrey]
18th SHABOOBLY DD1 2.5
18th EllieorOllie - BOY DD almost 2
19th Boobz DC1 [Streatham, London. Age: 29]
19th Anathemadevice DC1 [Surrey. Age:27]
19th laweaselmys - GIRL [Suffolk. Age: 21]
20th Tapster - BOY DD1 20 months [Age: late 30's]
20th ally90 GIRL DD 2.6
20th Squiffy Hock DS 4yrs DD 2yrs [Kent, Age: 33]
20th Yarnie DC1
21st Livismum - GIRL DD 3
21st Anna22
21st titchy77 ? SURPRISE DS 10yrs; DD 18 months
22nd Mandy73 - SURPRISE DC1 [Oxfordshire. Age: 35 soon]
22nd MavisGrind DS 2.1 yrs
22nd Lilymolly DD 2.7months [Durham. Age: 32]
22nd Fruity DS 3yrs [SW London]
23rd Hermione 2DS (7 and 3).
23rd Starshinetiger DS 24 Months [Berkshire. Age: 34]
23rd SpookyMadMummy 2DDs 6&4 [S.Yorks]
23rd Mrs EJO
23rd Wheremybump - SURPRISE [Age:24]
24th Becko [Age: 33]
24th Pipsy76 DS 2.5 years
24th corgikelly DC1 [Brussels. Age: 38]
25th TheHedgeWitch - GIRL DS 2yrs [Aged 27. Shropshire]
25th summerbaby07 1DC
25th CS7 1st DC [Age: 25]
26th Chiplet
26th SlightlyDoolally
28th rubyring 2DDs 3 yrs & 12mths
28th lollipopz - SURPRISE DD6, DD4 and DS 19mnth
28th meep - SURPRISE 1dd 13mo
29th tantiK DS1 31mths [Rome]
29th broodymom 2DD aged 7 & 8
29th xJulesx DC1 [East London. Age: 36]
30th Grinningbee DC1 (MMC Oct 07) [Age: 37]

Hi. just a query. I want to take 4 weeks holiday before my mat leave starts. Am I entitled to do this does anyone know? Boss says they have to check. Just wondering if anyone knew facts before they turn round and say no!

Baby - as long as your company allow that amount of time to be taken off in normal circumstances then they can't turn round and say no. If the company policy is that you can only take 2 weeks, anything more is at the 'discretion' of the company then they may well turn round and say no...

hth x

BIB during maternity leave you accrue your normal holidays, so anythin you woul dbe entitled to otherwise you still should be (as aunty) said! I am taggin my years holiday onto the end of my maternity leave...all 5 weeks!!

Hi all, sorry i haven't posted for ages! hope all is well!! I had my scan last thursday and we are having a boy!!!! yippeee!!! also my date has now changed to 14th march!!!!
Is anyone else suffering from SPD? I had it at the end of my last pregnancy and am starting to find it unconfortable to walk, so wondering if its coming on early

Congrats on the scan kat I have updated the list again?sorry was too excited about increasing the number of boys!!!

25th Feb Twocutedarlings - BOY 2DDs Aged 5&3
28th Feb Slickbird - BOY 2DDs (7yrs and nrly 1yr) [Nr.Edinburgh. Age: 35]
1st Nomorenappies DD1 3.2 years [York Age: 29]
2nd Ceedub
2nd winemakesmummyclever DS 2
2nd Spottycat DC1
2nd Lolianja DC1 SURPRISE [Essex. Age: 20]
3rd Sorchamc DD1 4.5 years
3rd MissModular DD1 21 months
4th pinktree
4th goldmother2B ? GIRL no DCs [Lancashire. Age:32]
4th Fififlores - GIRL DS1 25 months [Spain Age: 39]
4th sadiemcgradie DD1 [Age: 44]
6th Playingthe9monthwait DC1 [Hampshire, UK. Age: 26]
7th Emma2617 ? BOY DC1 [Manchester. Age: 22]
7th babyinbelly ? SURPRISE DS1 age 2 [oxfordshire. Age 22]
7th dinny ? SURPRISE DD 6yrs, DS 3yrs [Age:35]
7th auntyspan - GIRL DD1 2.5 [Cheshire, Age 34]
8th laurenypops DD1 23 mths [Age: almost 30!]
8th dorothywhipple DD 3 [UK. Age: 33]
8th MKG ? GIRL 2DS [USA. Age:29]
8th Jollyjoanne - GIRL [Cheshire, Age: 29]
9th Beetle73 DD1 almost 4 [London. Age: 35]
9th SunshineSmith 1DC
9th babyalfie 2 DC [Age: 38]
9th Elsy DD1 18months
9th Lizziemun SURPRISE DD1 4.6yrs and DD2 11mths [Age: 38]
11th firstduemarch09 DC1 [Age:29]
11th Ellora DC1 [Age: 30]
11th AmyO - SURPRISE [Age: 28]
12th HopingCat - SURPRISE DD1 20months [Age: 29]
12th Thefearlessfreak DS1 20mths [Age: 38]
13th Wheelybug ? SURPRISE DD1 3.7 [Age: 33]
17th Kat80 - BOY DD1 9; DS1 7; DD2 6
15th CaptainKarvol - SURPRISE DS 2.7yrs [age 37]
15th Littlemisskiwi - SURPRISE [Age 31. New Zealand]
16th Millie26 ? GIRL [Age: 27, York]
16th Sara333 DS 6; DD 4 [Age: 35]
17th FlannelCat - GIRL 1DD 5.5yrs
17th Gyo DC1 [Surrey]
18th SHABOOBLY DD1 2.5
18th EllieorOllie - BOY DD almost 2
19th Boobz DC1 [Streatham, London. Age: 29]
19th Anathemadevice DC1 [Surrey. Age:27]
19th laweaselmys - GIRL [Suffolk. Age: 21]
20th Tapster - BOY DD1 20 months [Age: late 30's]
20th ally90 GIRL DD 2.6
20th Squiffy Hock DS 4yrs DD 2yrs [Kent, Age: 33]
20th Yarnie DC1
21st Livismum - GIRL DD 3
21st Anna22
21st titchy77 ? SURPRISE DS 10yrs; DD 18 months
22nd Mandy73 - SURPRISE DC1 [Oxfordshire. Age: 35 soon]
22nd MavisGrind DS 2.1 yrs
22nd Lilymolly DD 2.7months [Durham. Age: 32]
22nd Fruity DS 3yrs [SW London]
23rd Hermione 2DS (7 and 3).
23rd Starshinetiger DS 24 Months [Berkshire. Age: 34]
23rd SpookyMadMummy 2DDs 6&4 [S.Yorks]
23rd Mrs EJO
23rd Wheremybump - SURPRISE [Age:24]
24th Becko [Age: 33]
24th Pipsy76 DS 2.5 years
24th corgikelly DC1 [Brussels. Age: 38]
25th TheHedgeWitch - GIRL DS 2yrs [Aged 27. Shropshire]
25th summerbaby07 1DC
25th CS7 1st DC [Age: 25]
26th Chiplet
26th SlightlyDoolally
28th rubyring 2DDs 3 yrs & 12mths
28th lollipopz - SURPRISE DD6, DD4 and DS 19mnth
28th meep - SURPRISE 1dd 13mo
29th tantiK DS1 31mths [Rome]
29th broodymom 2DD aged 7 & 8
29th xJulesx DC1 [East London. Age: 36]
30th Grinningbee DC1 (MMC Oct 07) [Age: 37]

Thanks emma!!! i daren't update the list in case i mess it up!! i'm so excited about having a boy!! 2 girls and 2 boys - perfect!!!!

Speaking of messing it up...i moved you but didnt change your due date!!! Number 4...wow, you must be a seasoned professional by now!

25th Feb Twocutedarlings - BOY 2DDs Aged 5&3
28th Feb Slickbird - BOY 2DDs (7yrs and nrly 1yr) [Nr.Edinburgh. Age: 35]
1st Nomorenappies DD1 3.2 years [York Age: 29]
2nd Ceedub
2nd winemakesmummyclever DS 2
2nd Spottycat DC1
2nd Lolianja DC1 SURPRISE [Essex. Age: 20]
3rd Sorchamc DD1 4.5 years
3rd MissModular DD1 21 months
4th pinktree
4th goldmother2B ? GIRL no DCs [Lancashire. Age:32]
4th Fififlores - GIRL DS1 25 months [Spain Age: 39]
4th sadiemcgradie DD1 [Age: 44]
6th Playingthe9monthwait DC1 [Hampshire, UK. Age: 26]
7th Emma2617 ? BOY DC1 [Manchester. Age: 22]
7th babyinbelly ? SURPRISE DS1 age 2 [oxfordshire. Age 22]
7th dinny ? SURPRISE DD 6yrs, DS 3yrs [Age:35]
7th auntyspan - GIRL DD1 2.5 [Cheshire, Age 34]
8th laurenypops DD1 23 mths [Age: almost 30!]
8th dorothywhipple DD 3 [UK. Age: 33]
8th MKG ? GIRL 2DS [USA. Age:29]
8th Jollyjoanne - GIRL [Cheshire, Age: 29]
9th Beetle73 DD1 almost 4 [London. Age: 35]
9th SunshineSmith 1DC
9th babyalfie 2 DC [Age: 38]
9th Elsy DD1 18months
9th Lizziemun SURPRISE DD1 4.6yrs and DD2 11mths [Age: 38]
11th firstduemarch09 DC1 [Age:29]
11th Ellora DC1 [Age: 30]
11th AmyO - SURPRISE [Age: 28]
12th HopingCat - SURPRISE DD1 20months [Age: 29]
12th Thefearlessfreak DS1 20mths [Age: 38]
13th Wheelybug ? SURPRISE DD1 3.7 [Age: 33]
14th Kat80 - BOY DD1 9; DS1 7; DD2 6
15th CaptainKarvol - SURPRISE DS 2.7yrs [age 37]
15th Littlemisskiwi - SURPRISE [Age 31. New Zealand]
16th Millie26 ? GIRL [Age: 27, York]
16th Sara333 DS 6; DD 4 [Age: 35]
17th FlannelCat - GIRL 1DD 5.5yrs
17th Gyo DC1 [Surrey]
18th SHABOOBLY DD1 2.5
18th EllieorOllie - BOY DD almost 2
19th Boobz DC1 [Streatham, London. Age: 29]
19th Anathemadevice DC1 [Surrey. Age:27]
19th laweaselmys - GIRL [Suffolk. Age: 21]
20th Tapster - BOY DD1 20 months [Age: late 30's]
20th ally90 GIRL DD 2.6
20th Squiffy Hock DS 4yrs DD 2yrs [Kent, Age: 33]
20th Yarnie DC1
21st Livismum - GIRL DD 3
21st Anna22
21st titchy77 ? SURPRISE DS 10yrs; DD 18 months
22nd Mandy73 - SURPRISE DC1 [Oxfordshire. Age: 35 soon]
22nd MavisGrind DS 2.1 yrs
22nd Lilymolly DD 2.7months [Durham. Age: 32]
22nd Fruity DS 3yrs [SW London]
23rd Hermione 2DS (7 and 3).
23rd Starshinetiger DS 24 Months [Berkshire. Age: 34]
23rd SpookyMadMummy 2DDs 6&4 [S.Yorks]
23rd Mrs EJO
23rd Wheremybump - SURPRISE [Age:24]
24th Becko [Age: 33]
24th Pipsy76 DS 2.5 years
24th corgikelly DC1 [Brussels. Age: 38]
25th TheHedgeWitch - GIRL DS 2yrs [Aged 27. Shropshire]
25th summerbaby07 1DC
25th CS7 1st DC [Age: 25]
26th Chiplet
26th SlightlyDoolally
28th rubyring 2DDs 3 yrs & 12mths
28th lollipopz - SURPRISE DD6, DD4 and DS 19mnth
28th meep - SURPRISE 1dd 13mo
29th tantiK DS1 31mths [Rome]
29th broodymom 2DD aged 7 & 8
29th xJulesx DC1 [East London. Age: 36]
30th Grinningbee DC1 (MMC Oct 07) [Age: 37]

lol hadn't even noticed that!! its ok, i would have managed to do worse than that!!!! i think a crazy seasoned professional! I'm still just as excited this time round! probably more so i think! also the kidlets are really excited too! thank goodness its a boy though, or my son would have been very upset!!!