Due in June 7 - the one with all the boys!!!

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Didn't want you to think you were talking to yourself

I'm off too... Hopefully an early night tonight. I stayed up too late last night and got up too early this morning. Off home now to recieve and put away the groceries when they arrive... oh my exciting life. And DH is away until Thursday, so we had our valentine's dinner on Saturday. A lovely spicy curry at Le Raj in Epsom (which I highly recommend for anyone in Surrey).

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your lovely messages of support last night and this morning. Feeling a bit cheerier today, especially as bump has been reminding me with his/her foot, elbows, fists etc, how lucky I am......

Tessie, congrats on your boy!!!!!

Well, I am shocked and appalled at your mucky talk today. Quite frankly, the nearest my DH gets to having naked fun with me is our daily chat while i slowly lower myself in to a hot bubbly bath (BTW, my DH can't cable a PC, but he can run a damn fine bath).

Lipstick, (going back to much earlier today) please dont think I was insulting your DP in any way at all. Both my brothers are hospital dr's, I know how hard they work and how commited they are. Please dont think i was having a go at the wonderful dr's in the NHS, I have nothing but admiration for their commitment.

Charley, people like us need to be united on the no-excercise front. How can we pile on the pounds if go and do something as frivolous as excercise, when there's valuable eating to be done? Nothing NOTHING will stand between me and my fridge. Thank goodness I work at home....

Katz - pompous FIL's eh? heh heh. Both me and DH suffer from that fate. Luckily, they get on like a house on fire, so we leave them to their ramblings together....

I dunno, The NHS could be better but to be honest the whole health care system could be alot worse. Thank god we get health care at all is all I've got to say ladies. My Dad slogs his guts out for the NHS and was Knighted for his work in medical genetics. He did a fellowship at Johns hopkins in the states and could have earned mega bucks if he had stayed there; if everyone checked out of the NHS we would be living in a 3rd world country and lucky to get a back street Dr. My whole family are Dr's and nurses for the NHS and won't do any private work. There are some people who work really hard but they ultimately find it frustrating that money goes to beurocrats etc... you all know what I mean.

I just think pregnancy is a high risk thing anyway - we are all doing pretty well considering before this century most of us wouldn't have survived childbirth at all. Its a high pressure part of the NHS and most womens lives I suppose. Though I do at times wish they could do or be better I have to think that because I am poor if I lived anywhere else I wouldn't be able to afford health care at all so I won't complain too much.

Anyway I won't be around much this week I have a throat infection and just feel awful so I need to have a proper rest. I just think the pregnancy is getting on top of me really. I've never been so tired and depressed in my life.

Uwila - I can't believe you are having another baby after all that! Bloody hell I am glad you were both ok after all

Evening all, sounds like you've had a good day. The book you were talking about Welshmum, is really good, I'm half way through and I wished I'd had it when my boy was very young, not 13 months.
20 week scan on Wednesday, the first one for ages that has been normal, as had quite a few as I've been bleeding quite a bit during this pregnancy, so looking forward to going and not being stressed out that they will find a problem.
Seems like everyone off this evening, will have to log in tomorrow during the day. Must admit it seems quite adictive!

Oh how could I forget ((((Jonah)))) hope you are feeling ok

Oh Jonah,
Sorry I haven't said anything about your terrible day yesterday. I just don't think I have much credibility on the subject. Getting pregnant and staying pregnant comes very easy to me (It's the eviction process that gets a bit tricky), so I just don't know what to say. I can't really know how sad you are. I can only guess. But, I wish you and the baby you are carrying now all the health and happiness there is, of course.

Pink, sorry you're feeling so rough. It sounds like you could do with a really long rest - have you got lectures this week or can you just chill out at home?

Franniban, be warned it is VERY addictive. I've also had bleeding in this pregnancy, and having had a missed m/c previously it was all very stressful. It's nice to get to the stage where we can relax and enjoy the pregnancy. Have fun on Wednesday - are you finding out what you're having?

Glad things are a bit brighter today JonahB. If I was working from home I'd be the size of a house - the temptation to eat all the time would be too great. I think I've finally managed to stuff myself to the point of indigestion tonight - had early tea with DS, then another tea just for me once he'd gone to bed, then a chocolate brownie. Now I have heart-burn...serves me right.

Pink (and everyone else who has expressed sympathy),
The experience wasn't that bad. Let's face it, no one has babies because they look forward to the experience of delivery. We put up with delivery because our babies are so wonderful we do anything for another one. But, the point of my story was meant to be more about what could have gone wrong rather than how terrible it was for me. Let us not forget that in the end I got to go to sleep for delivery. So when you guys are screaming in pain in your delivery, just think hmmm Uwila slept through this part. And I just know you're all gonna be jealous.

Speaking of which, I'm pondering whether or not I want to ask for a general again. I don't know though if I can have it just because I'd rather have a little nap. Can't say I look forward to the sensation of people rummaging around in my uterus... weird.

Tessie congratulations on your boy! It'll take you a while to get used to your hair. I found when I did it a slightly more colourful lippy worked?

Gosh Welshie - is 80's porn now the de rigeur? No longer the pube embellished 70's variety?? I wish my dp could replace our radiators in just his pants (or anything for that matter). Actually that sounds like a good idea for a reality tv show......... I had to replace our big one in the lounge MYSELF last year!

In fact all your dps/dhs sound handy

Uwila - Wow WW1! That's pretty interesting I suppose...Was Le Raj the one you were thinking of? Might have to venture over there one night!

Pink! So your dad's a "Sir" - does that mean you can get married in Westminster Abbey?? hope you feel better soon ((hugs))

Uwila - if I was going for a cs, I think I'd quite like to be "out" if I had a choice.

Dunno charley - but I have a picture of the queen in an ugly dress. Don't really think I'll ever get married; I can do my own DIY What other use is there for a man? I've got knocked up already bloody hell... Not to mention I have too many unpalatable opinions for your usual 20 something alpha males. Not sure if I'll ever risk it again after all this! Not even getting any bloody pampering You know I am sure carrying the child of someone you like/love is far better, there is a possiblity they may pamper you a touch. Oh well, I don't believe in the impossible. Just bah humbug - never recieved a valentines card in my life

Infact I am sure I am boring you all sorry...

Mrs wednesday - yeah I have this week off thank goodness. I'll be catching up on rest.

Morning all!

Am feeling all better - thank you for your well-wishes.

I have decided to cut my losses and not even attempt to read all the threads from the last week or so!! I glossed over briefly, and I see that there has been plenty of smut (good thing too), a few new additions to the thread (welcome everyone), plentiful talk about food (mmmm), more agonising about D-Day (eek), and yet more BOYS (Hurrah!)!!

Did everyone have a nice Valentine's? I was told last week that DP was GOING to buy me some diamond earrings... oh, how my ears pricked up when he said that, but then he said that as we were trying to buy a new house, we couldn't really afford it at the moment. Boo-hoo. So, I told him that he could buy me them after the birth , to which he replied "Are you supposed to buy something then?" - Why OF COURSE you are!!! LOL I could be onto a winner here.... just need to claim it was doubly painful so I can get the matching necklace too!

Anyway, he did me proud, by buying some sexy maternity lingerie, a couple of new maternity tops, cooking me dinner, giving me a pedicure and a toe-nail polish (for a first attempt, he didn't do too badly, but I will have to tidy them up secretly) and then he had read the massage pages in Miriam Syoppard and gave me a full massage!! Wow!

Morning all,

Hmmm Scraggy...sexy maternity lingerie?? I'm struggling abit with this one, he he he ...mind you I'm still forcing myself into my non mat sexy undies...I'm not sure which would look worse on me at the mo...we have more tittering that titilating going on in our house! Well your dp (and your dh KVG) sound very well trained...now I know where to send mine for lessons!! I tried the diamond pressie thing on dh myself when I had ds, but was told as I never gave him a pressie for putting the baby there in the first place, I wasn't getting one for getting him out!!

Jonah I'd have to agree with you that the nice bath would win me over everytime...mind you that could be because I married the most inept DIY man alive and live in fear everytime he attempts to do anything vaguely 'manly' around the house .

Pink, firstly what on earth are you still doing up at 10 to midnight!!! I'd been asleep for nearly 2 hours by then!! (Two glasses of wine, and I was zonked...too bad if dh had any romantic valentines plans!!). Secondly I once got a valentines card from the most horrible little boy in my class when I was 7 and all my friends took the piss for weeks after...and the next valentines card I got was after I started seeing dh and had reminded him to buy one, so you're in good company!!

Mornin all,
I've now had my pastry and latte, and so feeling better about having come to this boring place called work. God only knows how I'd cope without mumsnet. In fact, how on Earth did I get through my last pregnancy without mumsnet?!?!

You'll al be glad to know that there have been no more mouse citings in my house. So it appears we had a wanderer... yippee. (touch wood)

Thanks for all your congrats ladies!!
Teabelly - after much deliberation (on my part) i have decided to let the baby be called after my DH - Paul Joe (the Joe is my contribution!) We already call him PJ!
Mrs Flowerpot - we decided not to tell anyone else that we know the sex and that included the DS's (one will be over the moon - one slightly dissapointed!)
Mrs Wed- Even the dog is male - so one girl amongst 5 men!!!
Lua - thanks for the reassurance about the placenta thing!
KVG - the scan was very clear (my DH thought it was the best ultrasound we had ever had!) and we got okish pictures
Cant remember who said about using a different shade of lipstick with my new hair - but yes it really works !

Morning all-
Just want to add myself to the list of people that never got a valentine's card. BTH I don't care much for the date anyway.... I would have love some pampering though... no matter what day of the week or the month was!
Anyway, I am very sorry you are feeling down Pink. Preganancy can be a really hard time psychologically, and being on your own cannot make things any easier. Is there anything you can do to pamper yourself? right now I am doing exactly that eating a whole humongous bar of chocolate and reading MN before I actually start doing any work.... It doesn't compare with scraggys pamper session, but it does improve my mood!

hummm... KVG! I've been to betty's! I love that place. Lucky you for living close by!

Tessiebear, at least you won't have anyone nicking your make-up!

I got nothing from my DH (who is away) for Valentine's Day apart from a text asking if he should choose the curry or the fajitas at the restaurant he was eating out at. God knows why he can't make his own mind up these days! In fairness we did agree that we wouldn't do Valentine's Day as our wedding anniversary is 4th Feb, and that means more to us.

Might have to go and raid the chocolate machine...all I've got to eat this morning is an apple or a pear. Yawn.

Morning all,
Scraggy your dh sounds fab - mine is 'ill' as only a man can be. He lay under his blanket on the sofa and went to bed early. He's even taken today off work so he must be feeling pretty rough.
Uwila - I had a spinal block for my c-section and it was all fine. I'm really glad I didn't miss that first look at dd - my little purple yelling starfish baby. The spinal didn't hurt at all and I chatted to the anaethetist throughout - about hypothecation as I recall (must have been the drugs). I didn't feel any sensation in my ute - the consultant congratulated the anaethetist on his skills at the time. I had been talked through the whole procedure by my GP mate - a veteran of 2 c-sections so knew what to look out for/ ask for. I felt very much in control and in good hands. I think it's a very different experience from an crash section.

So you didn't feel anything, Welshie? I've heard from several people that you can feel them pulling and tugging around, but that it isn't painful. Don't know if I wish to experience that. On the other hand, being awake to see little Alex straight away would be nice. And the rest of the day would be better if I'm awake/alert and able to get up and walk around. I hear this aids your recovery, and help all of those gross nasty fluids to drain out (yuk!). ALso, with a general, they try not to let you eat the whole bloody day. Smeggled in my own oat cookies... thank god. I kept telling themI was hungry and they would just go away and not come back. They didn't tell my they weren't bringing food back. Just avoided fulfilling the request. Then, when she finally confessed that I wasn't supposed to eat, I told her it didn't matter cause I'd been eating cookies all day anyway. She didn't approve and wrote it down on my notes. But, no one told me not to!!

Oh well, that's a point for the local, I guess.

Oh and it's also a tip for all you first timers to bring your own food to the hospital. Hospital food is terrible. It has little nutritional value and tastes rubbish too. I had DH bring me Mcdonalds every morning... how desperate is that?!

Some people do feel rummaging around I think - have read that too. Don't think you're supposed to eat before a c-section full stop - in case they do have to resort to a general for some reason. I was begging my dad to get me some toast from somewhere - he did bless him. UCH is better for food in that there's a Planet Organic round the corner - so you can have take out slabs of organic chocolate cake/muffins/brownies. That word organic is so lovely makes you think it might even be a little bit good for you.

I'm talking about not eating after the c-section. Of course you can't ever eat before any surgery where they knock you out -- can't remember why.

The reason they don't let you eat after a general is because the general can apparently make your system a bit sluggish so they make you suffer for a day or so just in case. But, since the cookies were going through just fine, I can't see any reason to avoid food. But, ah the midwives were much better at following instructions they didn't understand than they were at considering any logic.

I'll definitely be smuggling in some food. Don't really care of they like it or not.

I remember having a massive meal at the last moment I was allowed to, after that I didn't get anything to eat until the day after dd's delivery. I'm with you Uwila - this time cake will be hidden somwhere.