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sweetkitty · 10/06/2008 13:38

Here we go ladies

New thread I've tidied up, theres raspberry leaf tea on the go, all our bags are packed, come on babies..............

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pigleychez · 10/06/2008 21:56

isaidno- White magnums were sent from heaven!!

sweetkitty · 10/06/2008 21:57

pigley - I got a sleep bra from figleaves, they are really comfy and stretchy and only come in back sizes so you don't need your exact size just eg a 34. Also got a white one same back size as pre preg but a cup size up. Will see how I get on with them before getting something nicer. The sleep bras would do you for the first few weeks.

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pigleychez · 10/06/2008 22:18

SK- Did you get the Emma-Jane one?

Thanks for the links Jules

I really should just go... I was going to today but bottled it and walked past without going in
I remember when i went shopping for underwear to wear under my wedding dress. I was horrified when mum called a shop assistant into the changing room for advice!!

JODIEhavingababy · 10/06/2008 22:19

LOL Pigley, once you've had this baby you'll get your norks out for anyone!!!

Kaz1967 · 11/06/2008 00:00

TJuice

Q2. When you are doing three-hour feeds (as recommended by the midwives until her weight is not more then 10% less than birth weight) do you go from start to the next start?

It sort of depends many small babies have 2-3 feeds close together but sadly probably yep I suggest you ask her what she means by it.

Q3. What if it takes you an hour? Do you feed again two hours later?

If she is feeding for an hour it may be worth getting your midwife or a lactation specialist to check your position it maybe she is beautiful but lazy and not latching on properly so not getting your milk effectively. If she is feeding for half your and having a break then feeding again try doing the timing from the second half (I hate timing feeds )

Q4. Why is she so sleepy during the day feeds and alive and difficult to put down during the night ones?

Cos she is a baby who knows she is beautiful? Sorry many of them do it.

Q5. How do you know if she got the hind milk and emptied the breast before moving on to the next one?

Initially you will probably feel your breast is empty, but she will tell you, when you try to put her back on she will spit it out in disgust and give you that Mum really look. Some babies do not need both breasts unless they are having a growth spurt so do not expect her to.

Q6. Do all babies squawk and squeal and grunt in their sleep?

Yep they can be extremely noisy first time I worked nights in NICU and had to listen to all the snorts and squeaks I was stunned

ButterflyMcQueen · 11/06/2008 00:20

my understanding of b/f is not to feed too many feeds 3 hour minimum gap - or else baby will start to only take foremilk

baby must be hungry to enable a good long feed so that it takes high calorie hind milk

hth

Kaz1967 · 11/06/2008 00:58

Initially babies will feed frequently if you think about it inside they were fed continuously it takes them a little time to adapt.

We always taught baby lead feeding and from the antenatal class today that is still what they teach, it is very very common for breastfed babies to feed 2 hourly particularly in the initial few days, some babies get into a patten where they have 2-3 feeds that are close together (less than an hour apart) then have a longer gap. They are particularly inclined to stack feeds like this in the evenings. You certainly do not want to reduce the frequency of feeds in the first few weeks this can actually effect your long term milk production.

Like us babies vary in how long they feed for it also depends on Mums on Mums let down reflex a term baby can sometimes take all it needs in 10 mins most feed for about 30 mins if a baby esp a small one was feeding for any more than 45 mins my recommendation would always be seek advice from someone who can watch you feed to check the position. But the baby will usually tell you when they are full after all their tummy initially is the size of a walnut it does not take long to fill it up.

Milk supply including the proportions of for and hind milk will naturally adapt to how often a baby feeds and how much they take. Feeding more frequently is actually the best way to increase milk supply and it is what a baby will do when they are having a growth spurt. This is partially why T has been advised to not let E go too long between feeds.

In hot weather breastfed babies will also feed more frequently and they should not need extra water Mums body will produce what they need.

isaidno · 11/06/2008 07:34

pigley - you do realise that to give birth you will have to be naked from the waist down and that midwives will be looking at, and shoving hands up your fanjo? You will probably also do a bit of a poo at some point. (I'll admit I did first time! )

I don't think you should be too shy to let a sales assistant put a tape measure around your tits.

isaidno · 11/06/2008 07:39

Seriously though pigley, you need to think about feeling shy about showing stuff. One of the great things about bf is that you can do it anytime, anyplace, anywhere. The first time I fed in public I was a bit worried, but no one even noticed!

And in labour you do have to leave your dignity at the front door, but you get to exchange it for a gorgeous ickle baby.

sweetkitty · 11/06/2008 08:03

Morning all

isaidno - I agree re the lack of modesty although in labour you don't really care, I was totally naked on all fours on my bed, all sorts of fluid coming from my nether regions (yes that too with DP cleaning it up for me). First time round I had 5 MWs gathered round my legs in stirrups looking at my fnajo deciding how they could stitch me back together again, a lovely doc came and did it, then they all came back to admire her needlework! And you know what I couldn't have cared less. I have two beautiful babies and DP still fancies me and wants to have sex with me.

Honestly pigley go get measured my dear, yes it was the Emma-Jane one I got lovely and comfy, don't know why I ever bothered with those horrid M&S white ones which don't stay white and look horrible.

Thing with newborns as well as if you can imagine their whole world has been turned upside down, they are programmed to suck, they like sucking a lot. Would you rather be left in a moses basket on your own or cuddled up next to Mums warm body, hearing her heartbeat you have heard for months, smelling her and being able to suckle and get nourishment at the same time, even if they are not hungry they just love to suckle for comfort. IMHO this oh don't pick them up all the time thing you will spoil them and they will get used to it is rubbish, I will try and pick mine up and cuddle her as much as I can (which will be difficult with the other two) but you see what I mean. DD1 practically lived on DP and I at the start and theres nothing nicer than having a wee newborn asleep on your chest. She quickly grew out of it though (she doesn't sleep on our chest now she's a bit big).

Anyway sorry off on one of my rants am off now to get ready, can't be bothered today.

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MINNIE1 · 11/06/2008 08:31

Once the pains start you wont give a shit as to how is looking at your fanjo well i did'nt.. I have a student in with me when i was having DD2 and he was so funny... It was his first birth and the poor lad nearly passed out when he seen me in action.. Scary scary women....

Pigley
I know anytime i was mesured it was done over my top.. The women that will be doing are so used to boobies all day long.

Slept well last night yipeee feel a small bit normal.. Presure down below is killing today though...

CilC · 11/06/2008 08:47

HI everyone - wow another thread! It is really all happening!

TJuice - here is my 10cents worth - feel free to ignore if it does not apply anymore.

Q1. Fisher Price Microwave steriliser
I had this last time - I rinsed in water and then zapped in mictrowave for 4 minutes

Q2. When you are doing three-hour feeds (as recommended by the midwives until her weight is not more then 10% less than birth weight) do you go from start to the next start?

Sounds like this has already been answered and do not want to contradict - but I did this from start to start.

Q3. What if it takes you an hour? Do you feed again two hours later?

I agree with advice being given aboove - sounds like some comfort sucking is taking place also. But if this means that little Elodie is learning and you are not sore I would not worry too much in the first week or 2. Just getting it all to "work" should be your initial aim.

Q4. Why is she so sleepy during the day feeds and alive and difficult to put down during the night ones?

I was told by my Nanna who had 8 children that when we are walking around the waters in the womb are also moving which rocks and lulls the baby to sleep. And at night when we are still they tend to wake more(why they also like rocking). So it could be the routine Elodie is used to. Remember it is only the first few days/weeks so don't worry, after about 3 weeks I started distracting my DD a little bit to keep her awake longer during the day to encourage her to sleep more at night. It helped but every baby is different.

Q5. How do you know if she got the hind milk and emptied the breast before moving on to the next one?

I realise this is not really helpful and if you were to ask me I could not give you an exact answer, but somehow I just knew. Gut feeling, less full breast. AS Kaz says I only did for both boobs in first few weeks until DD regained her birth weight then switched to one boob for each feed. Then the fun starts - remembering which one you used last!!!

Q6. Do all babies squawk and squeal and grunt in their sleep?

Yes! WHich is so distracting when trying to sleep. I had DD in moses basket at night with me - but I put her into her cot during the day after a few weeks so I could have a rest. I know not everyone ecourages this but it worked for me.

Conflicting advice - the hardest thing to deal with when you are vunerable and just had a baby is the conflicting advice you get from midwives. The thing is they are all probably right and wrong. Each baby is different and one way that works for you may not work for someone else. I found a few midwives were young and everything they said came from text books and not their own experience - you could get better advice from here!! Some of the very best advice came from other Mums and my Nanna. But the very best advice I can give is this - follow your instincts and gut feelings and baby - because you are all unique. Try out what other's suggest but do not worry if you are different.
And remember it is very early days, just use this time as learning, loving and bonding time. Routines etc can be implemented (if you choose to) once you have gain more confidence and knowledge of you DD.

Sorry I did not mean to write an essay - I just remember all the different conflicting suggestions/bombardment of advice/pressure to have everything working right in my early days of having DD. And TBH once I relaxed a bit, listened to my own instincts and DD's everything SLOWLY began to fall in place. I actually lied to my MW's and told them I was going away for 2 months when DD was 4 weeks old because I got so sick of them worrying me and pressuring me.

Kaz mentioned the hot weather - we women are amazing beings - our milk adapts to the hot weather. Research from Australia in very hot climates (like the desert) show that when it is hotter the milk changes to account for this but maintains the same nutrients etc. Aren't we clever!

Hope everyone's pains and not too bad and have a great day!

mummypig · 11/06/2008 09:14

hi everyone

Well my ankles swelled up so much yesterday I thought I was turning into an elephant. They look much better this morning after a night of sleeping with them on an extra pillow. I'm glad it's not quite so hot today either.

Kaz's breastfeeding advice is great. Incidentally I used to think the same thing as Butterfly about letting the babe have longer gaps between feeds. But it turns out that they get more hindmilk if they go shorter gaps. The kellymom site has lots of great information about how breastfeeding works, and I changed quite a few of my little 'rules' between ds1 and ds2. (Long gaps between feeds just didn't help ds2 as he had reflux and it's even more important for refluxing babies to feed 'little and often'.)

Actually it's completely true what CilC says about the conflicting info and all babies being different. Parents who are lucky to have an 'easy' baby first time round can be smug and think it's all because they are doing stuff right. Then the next one comes along ... and often the parents realise the baby's character has a lot to do with it and what works with one doesn't work with the other!

I can hear ds2 in the kitchen so I think I ought to make him some more porridge before he tries to make it himself

minipinkscottish · 11/06/2008 09:36

Morning all

Great bf advice and all this talk of it makes me want my baby now so that I can snuggle her and feed her Ohhhhhhhh....I can't wait!!!

gillythekid · 11/06/2008 09:37

mummypig I have swelled too and it's hideous looking and quite sore when coupled with restless legs! Can't walk anymore, even with the girdle but found a cheap pay and display car park so I can go to aquafit. Physio tomorrow so will ask about exercise as I'm not sure if I'm making SPD better or worse. Am miserable now as I can't do anything.

disneystar · 11/06/2008 09:47

isaidno i am extremely shy about the mw giving internals and stuff like that
ok i admit at the end you do not care as long as the baby is out

but pigley you do not have to have internals and students poking and prodding you everyone and sundry lookingat your private bits

i just refuse i say no sorry its on my birth plan i find it invasive and not neccasary

my doula is well aware of my feelings i kinda think shes my sheild from the torrent of mw

of course they have to examine you to see if you are in established labour but TBH after that our bodies know what to do thats that we are programmed for to carry a child and give birth
complications yes they have to intervene but aways ask is it really neccesary?

my theory is at the end of the day this is my birth my baby my way
not just cos mw have swapped over shifts pop in the room and have to examine you

but as your body goes with the flow like the other ladies said you will not care whos in there whos looking prodding whatever
when im in the delivery room im very much in my own zone kind of a primitive state i dont even talk to the mw if i need help i ask if not they have to leave me alone

quite funny really my daughter gave birth 2 years ago and never had an internal in her life
she was in labour and asked for epidural mw came in and wanted to examine here she refused point blank was told no examination no pain relief that had to establish how much dilated she was
i was there i have never seen her so embarrassed she was bright red
2 hours later she was on all fours bum in the air didnt care less making all sorts of sounds
whatever way works for us we get our babies at the end
have a real good think about your birth plan and what you want
sorry for long ranting post

isaidno · 11/06/2008 09:54

lol at your daughter disney!

pigleychez · 11/06/2008 09:56

Morning all.

Sorry Guys i know im such a weed!
I tend to sit and worry about things like this stewing about them.
I kinda need someone to drag me along or make me go so then i dont have the choice!

Funnily enough im not too woried about the labour bit. Maybe its because i know i dont have any choice and like everyone says when the pain kicks in you wont care anyway! Think i havent thought about it enough to worry about it as i know it will happen regardless.

I ordered a sleep bra from Figleaves last night but will def get measured in Mothercare next time im in town. Promise

With regards to Breastfeeding. Im taking in all this knowledge with interest as i really wanna try to BF. Yes i have been worrying about doing it in public and hoping i can find a way of doing it discreetly. Finding the thought of doing it it front of family ( especially my dad and FIL) uncomfortable.

My poor DH is used to my worries and jokes about how having this baby will turn me into a wild woman who from now on will be running around the streets naked!!

Libra1975 · 11/06/2008 10:12

Morning all, great advice about b/f sure I will be back here combing thru the thread in a few weeks!!

Pigley, I am quite shy as well, I have already said to DH I don't mind internals that are NECESSARY but as much as I appreciate students etc need to learn they can just go learn on someone who doesn't mind the interuption. As for B/F in front of my father or FIL, I am sorry no. Some people out there might be fine with it but myself ,my father and I think probably my FIL are not. I don't care if that makes me a prude or old-fashioned.*

I think NCT provide free breast feeding bra measuring if you have joined.

*Disclaimer this is all liable to change once I have had the baby

CilC · 11/06/2008 10:20

Pigley I could not bf in front of MIL/FIL/Mother/Father/some friends - infact for me that was worse than doing it in public! I used to go into another room, or go and lie down on a bed if at home. After a while I became an expert at discreetness (sic) and used muslins and pashminas to cover myself.
Some people when they become mothers do not care but I always did...just me. But I managed to be discreet more than I ever thought I would. So please do not worry...

EEC · 11/06/2008 10:21

Libra - I think I could feed in front of most people, but not FIL! Actually, probably not MIL either wierdly enough! I am going to go away and try and analise what that says about her (or me maybe!)

I had two cornettos, and a bowl of ice cream yesterday. What a pig! Today will try to stick with jubblies!

Tried the sleep bras in mothercare on yesterday and found them really uncomfy. I will try figleaves perhaps.

isaidno · 11/06/2008 10:34

My dad always finds an excuse to leave the room when I am breastfeeding!

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