*Due in Jan 2008* - Get those bags packed!!!!

[Amani]

Sorry can't think of a better title and my PC is so slow.........

Barristermum - HELLOOOOOO we have missed you.

Two meet ups planned

19 November - Mem Laz in Upper Street (med)
Mixedmama
Beller
Fluffymummy
Sabinar
Battymama

29 November - no venue confirmed but Neuro and Lulubump will be in London so may be only opportunity to meet them.
Lulubump
Mixedmama
Gingeme
Neuro

Also, I am moving to NW London so fluffymummy and I were talking about a trip to the zoo, not sure when that will occur tho.

Fruitful - is out of hospital, cant remember if that was until birth or not, but she hasnt been on for a while.

MrsMCJnr - hasnt sold house yet, but is remaining ever optimistic. Oh and she bought a fabulous dress for a christening but that is a whole other story.

Oooh - think I can make both meet ups so that is cool. Why the sudden move to North London MM - glad to hear it and am totally up for the zoo at some stage! Glad to hear about fruitful and the scot's dress - sorry re house tho' - this is a worry isn't it?

Hey ladies you can talk! I can?t believe I have two pages of posts to read since last night! we?ll need a new thread soon too!

Luckysalem ? the physio told us to practice good breathing with BHs to get the rhythm right but I keep forgetting! MW said yesterday that BHs are painless and felt high and a feeling of tightness goes across your bump, contractions are felt really low or in your back, like period pains.

Gingeme I just have too much to say sorry to hear that DS4 wasn?t well ? call me weird but I?d love to clear out that cupboard

Beller I think since Sept 11 all our innocence has gone I remember so clearly thinking that the first plane was an awful accident and then the horrible realisation when the second one hit, I?ll never forget the feeling. Enjoy your day off tomorrow poor you with the feet in the ribs, so far, I?ve had no problems breathing or with rib kicking but at 31 weeks, there is still time!!

Amani ? hello

Lulubump I am envious, everywhere I go is like a sauna, I feel like a sweaty betty! can you take those tablets when BFing do you know?

MrsB ? not heard about the arnica tablets but I have bought some cream. MW told us yesterday not to bother taking towels to the hospital as they supply them, bath towels that is, guess I?d rather bleed on theirs if that is the case.

Mixedmama ? you are being really brave and good for you for seeing the silver lining hope you are feeling better now.

Madmouse ? glad to hear you were fine after the fall. I?m getting really tired at work these days too.

Naetha ? hope that kitchen is coming along

Susiemj ? I have to say I?ve had LOTS of jamon, jamon but only pato negro of course!! Enjoy the hair cut, I haven?t had one this pregnancy either!

Awen my friend called her baby Abigail but her initials are ARS oh dear. All fine

Fluffy ? sadly, am in Edinburgh tomorrow night meeting a friend.

Ahhhh got to go, more tomorrow x

thanks folks I am apparently suffering from pre natal depression which can affect up to 10% of pregnant women. but making things worse are the two things i keep torturing myself with are 1) DH doesn't want the baby any more 2) he finds me being pregnant repellent. if you knew him you would find this a real shock & difficult to believe, he is a nice bloke who loves me dearly, but i know this is how he is feeling deep down.
I now have a 50% chance of getting post natal depression which is a horrible thought, the only thing that makes me happy at the moment is thinking about my baby.
sorry to be such a downer... i have never felt like this before in my life, even when i was really stressed and had to leave teaching. and the other thing i am sad about is that if pregnancy is proving to be so bad for my mental health then perhaps this will be our only shot and i won't get to do it again, and i have never wanted to have an only child...

hello ladies! Sorry I haven't been on for ages, hope you are all ok and no big dramas have happened!
have had a scan through and v pleased to hear fruitful has been released!!

Lilyloo - dehydration can cause ketones in your urine so perhaps you aren't drinking enough? It was because of ketones due to dehydration that they admitted me to the ward for fluids the other week after my sickness bug.

Gingeme & Bettymama - HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY to you both!! Hope you had lovely days and plenty of cake! Gingeme, hope DH has recovered from his op! My DH has refused the snip as i think he reckons I might be talked into number 3 at some point - he is going to be v disappointed I think!

MrsMc - glad you had a lovely time at christening, its so nice to have an excuse to dress up when your pregnant isn't it? I am actually missing putting my nice clothes and make up on for work in the morning! Feeling v scruffy and unkempt at the mo but too knackered to do anything about it!

Can't remember who mentioned arnica but I used it last time and it really helped with healing from episiotimy etc. I made it DH's job to remember to give me 2 pills every 2 hours during labour! took it after delivery too, along with dried apricots which were equally important for other episiotomy related reasons!!!

LuckySalem - am at your job! How stressful for you. Hope you manage to sue their arses off!

Mixedmama - sorry to hear about BIL and flat dilemma, hopefully new baby will wake him up at night. Perhaps you could stand outside his door whenever the baby is having a good wail to encourage him to move out! Will check with DH about meet-up dates and let you know. Sure it won't be a problem though.

Am v jealous of all of you eating mars bars, mince pies and 'breakfast pudding' (yes you Awen ) am sticking to my new sugar free diet but missing chocolate a lot! have been having weekly battles with the diabetes clinic who wanted to put me on insulin. Have been very reticent as sugars are mostly controlled now with the occasional high and once on insulin it will mean induction at 37/38 weeks, irrelevant of whether cervix ready etc plus constant montoring during labour, possibly a drip in each hand etc. Had such a great birth with DD that whole idea of strapped to bed for induction and labour horrifies me! Diabetic nurse was total cow and when I said I wasn't keen to start the insulin unless totally necessary due to implications for birth she said "its better for you to have an induction or a c section than to come in with a dead baby' Was furious with her, told her i was sick of being treated like an idiot, was not being reckless but as she was unable to give me any real reasons behind her planned course of treatment i was unwilling to be bullied into something I am not happy with. She has referred me to consultant who was lovely and has told me insulin unneccesary for me at the mo and that he will not pressure me into induction. He also booked me for growth scan tomorrow (diabetes nurse told me would not be getting a growth scan - would have just reccomended induction of supposedly giant baby with no indication of his actual size!) so will see how mammoth he is before I worry too much!
In other news have written off my car by going over a speed bump! Cracked the sump and all the oil leaked out - by the time i realised my engine had seized! had to wait 2 hours in the dark on side of busy dual carriageway with DD for RAC to arrive and rescue us. DD loved it though 'look mummy, a lorry come to rescue us!!

Love to all of you, i don't post much but think of you all often!! x

hello ladies! Sorry I haven't been on for ages, hope you are all ok and no big dramas have happened!
have had a scan through and v pleased to hear fruitful has been released!!

Lilyloo - dehydration can cause ketones in your urine so perhaps you aren't drinking enough? It was because of ketones due to dehydration that they admitted me to the ward for fluids the other week after my sickness bug.

Gingeme & Bettymama - HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY to you both!! Hope you had lovely days and plenty of cake! Gingeme, hope DH has recovered from his op! My DH has refused the snip as i think he reckons I might be talked into number 3 at some point - he is going to be v disappointed I think!

MrsMc - glad you had a lovely time at christening, its so nice to have an excuse to dress up when your pregnant isn't it? I am actually missing putting my nice clothes and make up on for work in the morning! Feeling v scruffy and unkempt at the mo but too knackered to do anything about it!

Can't remember who mentioned arnica but I used it last time and it really helped with healing from episiotimy etc. I made it DH's job to remember to give me 2 pills every 2 hours during labour! took it after delivery too, along with dried apricots which were equally important for other episiotomy related reasons!!!

LuckySalem - am at your job! How stressful for you. Hope you manage to sue their arses off!

Mixedmama - sorry to hear about BIL and flat dilemma, hopefully new baby will wake him up at night. Perhaps you could stand outside his door whenever the baby is having a good wail to encourage him to move out! Will check with DH about meet-up dates and let you know. Sure it won't be a problem though.

Am v jealous of all of you eating mars bars, mince pies and 'breakfast pudding' (yes you Awen ) am sticking to my new sugar free diet but missing chocolate a lot! have been having weekly battles with the diabetes clinic who wanted to put me on insulin. Have been very reticent as sugars are mostly controlled now with the occasional high and once on insulin it will mean induction at 37/38 weeks, irrelevant of whether cervix ready etc plus constant montoring during labour, possibly a drip in each hand etc. Had such a great birth with DD that whole idea of strapped to bed for induction and labour horrifies me! Diabetic nurse was total cow and when I said I wasn't keen to start the insulin unless totally necessary due to implications for birth she said "its better for you to have an induction or a c section than to come in with a dead baby' Was furious with her, told her i was sick of being treated like an idiot, was not being reckless but as she was unable to give me any real reasons behind her planned course of treatment i was unwilling to be bullied into something I am not happy with. She has referred me to consultant who was lovely and has told me insulin unneccesary for me at the mo and that he will not pressure me into induction. He also booked me for growth scan tomorrow (diabetes nurse told me would not be getting a growth scan - would have just reccomended induction of supposedly giant baby with no indication of his actual size!) so will see how mammoth he is before I worry too much!
In other news have written off my car by going over a speed bump! Cracked the sump and all the oil leaked out - by the time i realised my engine had seized! had to wait 2 hours in the dark on side of busy dual carriageway with DD for RAC to arrive and rescue us. DD loved it though 'look mummy, a lorry come to rescue us!!

Love to all of you, i don't post much but think of you all often!! x

oops sorry, pressed button twice don't post for ages then you can't shut me up

Afternoon all,

I've just been for lunch with my friend and her 8 week old boy. So cute! Felt very strange holding him though, probably cos I haven't much experience with babies.

Was going to make shepherds pie for dinner but I think I will stick with just bolognaise cos it's already made.

Angechica, sorry x-posted. Am so sorry you're feeling so low. Pregnancy and becoming a mum is such a huge thing and think lots of men find all the changes really hard to get their head round. Really do believe that most men can't grasp the whole concept until they hold their own baby in their arms, I know lots of peple whose DH's were distant or weird during pregnancy only to turn into uber-dads when their babies arrive. This period of time is just a tiny part of the bigger picture of becoming a parent and even if things are tough now it doesn't mean they will be the same after the birth. Hope things improve soon xx

(Bumbles in sleepy from post-haircut nap - don't mean to ignore anyone. Sympathy to Angechica and Lilyloo)

....wholewheat tuna sandwich be damned. After 7 months of forcing myself to eat I am suddenly HUNGRY. Jesus! Is this what you've all been feeling like all this time! I had a Chinese last night and it didn't even touch the sides of my mouth!

(Bumbles off in search of Dairy Milk and tea.....)

I think I've got my first craving. (maybe) Tea!!! - This doesn't seem like much but I used to hate tea!! and I mean HATE!!

Angel - I hope that things get better for you, not really sure what to say other than, hugs for you.

angechica, a lady who advised our nct classes suffered from antenatal depression too. she had it with both her first 2 but not her 3rd. try not to worry about the future, just get through every day. she said the feelings really lifted after the births so fingers crossed for you. plus i echo others comments re men post-birth, once they are holding 'their' little baby things look a whole lot different.
plus, do you really KNOW that dh feels that way about you, or is it all tangled up with worries about parenthood? have you talked to him about it? sorry if stating the obvious.

LS - tea? well each to their own
actually i drink more than i used to and with full fat milk - think it's all the baby/toddler groups i go to since having ds, always tea and biscuits

wholewheat tuna be damned too!!! tho i think i will have to make a real effort to actually lose the baby weight this time

tms - good for you sticking up for yourself, don't let silly cow woman bully you!

right, ds watching yet another night garden, really must find some energy from somewhere to get through these last few months or he'll be square-eyed...
must get his milk ready then a slightly early night methinks so i can get ready for orchestra, waves to all...

I've got so much work on, I wasn't going to post tonight, but after reading this afternoons musings (gosh, we really can talk, can't we ladies?!! ):

Angechica - please please try to focus on getting through this pg, and don't worry about anything in the future - apart from anything else, there's no guarantee that you'd feel like this 2nd time around for lots of reasons...for example discovering that DH is an amazing dad, not having PND so everything feeling a bit better, deciding to risk it all anyway...etc etc... so so so sorry you're having such a rough ride at the moment....really big atcha

Barristermum - welcome back! ...We've been getting worried...I was about to resort to lurking on your street trying to spot the pregnant lady . Yes, I'm also at Healthfielde - they are so lovely, feel really lucky to have good GPs But remind me to warn you about the baby clinic options in our area before we get to that point!! I'm almost definitely working at home on tues, so can we meet for a coffee/lunch then? Of course, if you're coming out on 19th (Monday night) we can make proper arrangements there - and skip it if we don't like each other ...god, just realised I'm going to be knackered after chasing to and from newbury, home to put ds to bed then out again on Monday night Sorry to hear about your DH being away, that sounds even less fun than spending the last few weeks on the Isle of Wight...

Angel - tomorrow at Grassroots at around 5.30/5.45 should be fine - but can we confirm on this list tomorrow at around 3.30pm? Sorry to everyone else for hi-jacking the thread!!!

Amani/Beller - yes, I'm getting really horrid low stabbing pains which feel yucky...and I'm also getting the toilet thing . Didn't have it last time and I'm only 30 weeks so it can't be babys head being engaged. Not sure whats triggering it - I'm not holding it in or anything like that. Eek, never discussed these things before ...at least not in an open forum way

Toomanyshoes - welcome back! Was beginning to get quite worried about you as well...just didn't know where you live so couldn't consider stalking Glad you might be able to come on Monday!! Really impressed by how well you're managing the gd without insulin, and good for you for not letting evil-diabetes-nurse-from-hell bully you into induction etc ...got really when I read your post, I would have been so upset in your position. If you come on Monday night we'll try not to enjoy our desserts too much in front of you!!

MM - hugs atcha and so sorry to hear you're feeling sick again As if you haven't got enough to deal with at the moment... Hope its just a passing thing and you're back up and at 'em tomorrow...thanks for booking Mem & Laz (Its actually on Thurberton Street, for anyone trying to find it, just off Upper Street...I'll post a link or something on Friday)

MrsMc & Ayrshirelolo - sorry we're not going to get to meet up this time. I'll know by tomorrow whether I'm going to be here past 3pm on 27th...if I am, then I'd luuurve to meet up with you both

Crikey, this is turning into to a full-on catch up....and I've still got a strategy presentation to write before 9am, so probably time to send love and hugs to everyone (and apologies to everyone I've completely failed to mention in my mini MrsMc post...I'll leave the catchups to the experts in future!) xxx

Oh Oh Oh!! Forgot to tell you, I bought 2 packs of nappies and some wipes yesterday. Starting to get organised now. Should really what with it only being 7 weeks till due date (thats not even 2 months!! )

Bloody hell, posted at lunchtime and seem to be behind again!! Aren't we a bunch of chatty chicks?
Not much to say except Angechica, i'm sending you a big cuddle, and just wanted to reiterate what Mrs McJ said, every pregnancy is different (last time i had a really crap time, this time it's nowhere near so bad so far!)and we are all here to support you through the harder moments.
Nice to hear from you barristermum and 2manyshoes... we missed you!
Oh and dh sent me a text today saying "was in Boots so got some newborn nappies! xxx" (he's a "home dad") i was excitied! and freaked! and pleased he's been listening to what i said we needed! and most of felt guilty that i haven't bought the bump anything yet... bad mummy!
Hope we all sleep, lolo xx
ps... wholewheat tuna my arse! Bring on the Turkish Delight and anything with custard!!!

Wow you lot dont stop do you? I confess I didnt clear my cupboard today but ds4 has been real poorly and just wanted Mummy all day. Poor little love.
I can make the 19th too in fact it would be better as my step son is visiting from Cambridge so I need a chance to get out the house(long story). Is it in a chinese this time?
Welcome back barristermum.

I'm here! Sorry I disappeared, dts have been ill since Thursday and having been sleeping so I've been too tired and busy to come on. Also, it was my birthday on Sunday so...

I've had a horrendous sharp pain on my left side near my hip all day today it's in a straight vertical line almost. It's been getting worse all day and I'm avoiding moving because it gets more painful if I move, it feels like something is stretching beyond what it should be stretched and it gets more intense - the pain makes me go dizzy and I feel like I'm going to be sick. It's also very painful to press on. DT1 has been a bit quiet today and hasn't been moving as much, one of the reasons I'm worried! DT2 is still bouncing round in there. Anyone else experiencing this?

Can't catch up, but I hope that you're all well and your pregnancies are going well.

T&T - Sorry to hear you've not been well but Happy birthday for Sunday.

Not had the pain I'm afraid. I have had sharp pains in my groin area on one side then the other and the feeling that the baby's head is WAY down but nothing as bad as to even take my breath away, just uncomfortable. If DT1 isn't moving so much, get thee to MW and make them check all is ok.

Morning all,

Gosh, you ladies have been chatty last night.

Angechia - Sorry to hear you are feeling low hun - Is there someone professional you can talk to who might be able to help, aswell as discussing things through with your DH? We're always here for you.

Luckysalem, T&T - I seem to be getting random sharp pains to and assume them to be stretching/ligament pains.

Watched Eastenders last night and wish I hadn't as I was in floods of tears at the end...

Have a nice day....

Morning All,

Mammoth posts from everyone last night.

Barristermum - move is a long story and have already bored everyone with it. Short version, moving back to our old flat which is cheaper meaning maybe will be SAHM or only return to work p/t, basically free up some options and make everything workable. Great that you can make both meet ups. Will post more details.

MrsMcJnr - ARS made me laugh as we were discussing initials the other day.

Angechica - really dont know what to say to make you feel better hun. Second what Amani said about maybe speaking to someone could really help. Have you explained to DH exactly how you feel - I know that is eassier said than done.

toomanyshoes - since fluffy couldnt stalk you I had thought about hanging around the station since you are only up the road Really about the nurse saying that to you, i would personaally make a formal commplaint that is an unforgivable thing to say to a pregnant woman.

fluffy - will look up all the details properly andd post everything, probably tomorrow and again on friday.

Ayrshire - wow you are the only person I have met outside of turkey who likes Turkish delight other than me.

Twinss and triplets - Happy Birthday and sorry about all the illness.

Amani - ditto.... Eastenders had me virtually hyperventilating last night.

I am feeling mucch better today just had brekkie so will take my iron tabs and see how i feel today. If i get sick again then moving onto spatone.

MM - I like turkish delight too! But it has to be authentic and rose flavoured.

Good morning everyone
I can now post on my mum's computer as i've enabled pop ups. I miss my MAC as you can do anything on it.
Anyway, blimey loads to read. Angechica I too am sending you Wednesday hugs and sorry to read of your post. LIke everyone's said, most men don't get into the baby thing til they've got a new small lovely someone in their arms.
I have no news. I kept waking last night as stomach had one so hard, it was like awful period pain. And this morning woke up to baby hiccups. First time i've felt them, really sweet.
I've put 29th in my diary - excited! That's only two weeks tomorrow.
I now own stuff! I have ordered a Mamas and Papas travel system that i am now in love with. Have new Moses basket, and various bits of clothing. Going shopping with baby's father in a few weeks so he can get in on the act and feel he is contributing too. Have saved practical as well as fun things for him to buy. Grandma is falling over herself to buy a cot. I'm feeling rather envious of my own baby i think! It's got a massive group of adults to fuss over it and no other baby competition. Will have to be strict so he/she doesn't turn out a brat. I think I'm having a girl...

gingeme - meant to say that 19th Nov is Mediterranean around Upper Street.

29 Nov I thought we could go with the Chinese... I know Neuro is staying around Finsbury Park, Barristermum is in East Finchley I think and not sure where Lulubump is staying whilst in London, but if she is able to get to Wood Green and it isnt too far for Barristermum then we will go with your suggestion as Chinese is always better with recommendation.

Morning ladies

Can't catch up with it all and haven't not meant to be around so much but now they've sat me near the head of the company I have less chances to have a look at our thread!

Angechica - so sorry to read your post. Have you been to the docs? is there anything you can take? Are your family/friends supportive, can you do anything to help it at all like change of diet or anything? (I'm only saying change of diet because this has helped FIL who has bi-polar - a whole different kettle of fish i know). Have you spoken to your dh about how you think he feels. Has he said this is how he feels? Big big big hugs to you.

Thank you for all the birthday wishes. Tripletsandtwins yours was the day before mine! I wonder if we are similar! Hope the pain has eased up and your LOs are better.

I can't catch up there's too much!

Mixedmama - sorry to hear that BIL will be living with you. It might be better than you think. You might appreciate the extra pair of hands? (and the extra money). Make sure your ds's teach him about getting up early in the morning so he won't be so keen on late nights anymore! Happy to hear you're better.

Amani - What happened in Eastenders last night? Adam nearly died in Spooks!!!

Neuro - sounds like you're getting there with the baby stuff. Good to hear the baby's father is getting in on the act too!

Everyone else - hello - i do read the posts but don't always have a chance to write. Will try to do better today. 2 weeks left at work!xx

MM- I'll be staying in West Hampstead while in London.

Angechica - has your DH actually said that he doesn't want the baby any more and he finds you being pregnant repellent? Its probably really silly of me to say that, its just that I had decided that my DH had totally gone off me, but then had a long talk with him and discovered that it was my own issue about feeling like a beached whle and not terribly attractive that was making me feel like that, rather than anything he'd said or done. Its so interesting that you said those were the two things you are torturing yourself with, don't be so hard on yourself. You're going through huge hormonal and physical changes, and its time to be nice to yourself. Hugs!

Yay, glad you guys agree with me about the wholewheat tuna

Has anyone else been wondering where all their internal organs have gone now that lo is taking up all the room in there? Or maybe that's just me being weird