Due Jan 2008.......................Asleep on our feet..............zzzzzzzzzzz.....................

[MotherofZ]

Hello
am over here...!!!

Yeah Beller! Maybe you're attracting a different kind of man now because you are preggers.

I got stared at a lot yesterday when doing weekly food shop. Lots of women just blatantly starting at my tummy without any embarrassment, and men doing it but in a more pervy way. Or maybe i was hoping they were perving over me?

I am so sad.

I saw my baby's father and must admit that altho i don't want relationship with him, the sexual/animal instinct is still there. I MUST NOT SLEEP WITH HIM THOUGH....it will only complicate things. I am hoping the sex vibes mean our genes are a good mix.

I felt a bit of a panic at weekend as you lot are all saying how much your babies are kicking you but mine seems to behave like a stoned baby. Is wriggly but mellow. I hope this is a sign of things to come....

Yes Mixedmama you are quiet today. Are you OK?

I would definitely ask at the hospital about the formula thing then (or perhaps your MW). I think that is a little unfair as some women do genuinely have real problems. On one of my nights at the hospital I was just so tired I just could not face feeding DS in the middle of the night and the lovely MW offered to cup feed. The thing is how can youtake in bottles and keep them sterilised... and boiled water etc.... some people just decide dont they. I am all for promoting BF but I dont think it helps to force someone into a corner. In fact I think that is awful, the more I think about it, completely taking choice away.

Amani - beeen surfing the net for toddlers groups etc for DS. Was actually trying to look for play groups where you leave them for a session as an alternative to nursery but seems impossible to find any info.

Have been lurking.... feeling quite tired tho.

Feeling really refreshed today surprisingly - slept for 12 hrs on Sat night and then on Sunday had a lovely 1 hr nap during the afternoon. Bouncing off the walls today!!

I agree, formula should be available. Or rather the choice. The worst thing is that it's not men forcing the whole breastfeeding thing. I love women, i think we are great, but SOME women are women's worst enemy. I'm half dreading going into hospital. I feel so put off it. Got midwife appointment tomorrow so will air some of my worries with her. In my head it's turned into some sort of fascist place full of mean old matrons who are going to treat me like a pain in the neck.

I'm going to be in London for a week to 10 days in Dec between about 6th and 17th if anyone wants to meet up. I am hoping the baby will come early and i'll have it in my friend's bath and avoid hospital all together. London ladies if i did go into labour in Finsbury Park area, which hosp would i go to?

Awen - hope DS is better today!

Neuro - your hospital list looks great! Someone suggested to me that I might want to take along some baby moisturiser in case LO's skin is dry, and some baby nail scissors, as apparently, sometimes babies are born with sharp nails.

You could come to Whipps Cross in Leyton not too far Altho prob UCH or something... I had DS1 there it was fine.

I would like to meet up Neuro when you are ddown... lets talk about it nearer the time. Finsbury Park is close to me I am in Walthamstow.

Would you believe that my decision to give up breastfeeding was decided after a nasty incident with a BF support nurse / MW or whatever she was - made me feel shite and that very same day gave up, her encouragement was tantamount to abuse.

I was told baby moisturise was a big no-no!! A lovely m/w gave me a bottle of pure olive oil for DD dry and flakey skin, which worked wonders.

Lulubump - apparently we are supposed to bite their little nails off with our teeth.

Mixedmama - that horrid nasty woman. Right then THIS time you have to forget about her and just try it and if you get it right then great, but if not, no beating yourself up. I would love to breastfeed for months and months and be all earth mothery and self sufficient, but it might not happen.

In my hospital bag for me (not baby) i am going to put lots of green and blacks chocolate in!

I am willing the baby to come early. I'd like to have it in London so baby's father isn't far away and i'll be looked after by my closest friends. And then my family can come and get me.

Walthamstow. Is that E17? Does that mean you know East 17?!

I've been listening to Deep Deep Down, it's a great pop tune.

Urgh my boss has just been leaning too close to me. I'm getting really funny about my personal space AND SOMEBODY TOUCHED MY BUMP ON SATURDAY. It was all i could do not to recoil in horror and hiss at them....

Olive oil smells tho.... i used olive oil... but i love the smell. i think with the nail thing you would be abraver woman than me to cut a newborns nails.... has to be done, but i would wait till you got home... when you are relaxed and in your own environmment.

PMSL all over the floor if I thought I could get up again.

In the East 17 hey day I did used to see Brian Harvey driving around, but didnt know any of them I am afriad... altho David Beckhams lot are from Chingford which is up the road.

Amani i think olive oil that you use for cooking is pretty good for giving yourself facial massages. At least it's a natural product.

I have a vision of oiling my baby up and he/she slipping out of my hands and down the corridor

neuro - i am not listening to anyone at all this time regarding feeding, doing whaat is right for me and baby and absolutely not the mumss I mmeet at groups, family who advise it is best to mixed feed cos the baby will get too attached otherwise and scertainly not any professionals who cant be as positive about BF and FF in tandem... the judging is just nuts.

Neuro you are so on form with the one liners today.

BTW Amani meant to say glad you are feeling better.

I thought you get different types of oil oil.....the one m/w gave me was in this medical looking bottle which I bought again at the Asda pharmacy, not the cooking section!!!
Oh yes it takes ages to absorb into the skin though. Tried it on my face and it went all shiney!! lol Hubby said I looked like an alien.

I just used the cooking stuff...

Neuro...Royal London might be the nearest? Ill definately be up for a meet...im not going to be at work, so let me know!
E17...heheh did go clubing with them to Charlie Chans...many many moons ago...funny night! Used to have a good laugh down there..

So Neuro there is still mutual attraction between you and lo father? Just after we found out i was pregnant and x did a runner..we did end up in bed again twice ....obviously still mutual attraction..hes just a twat...that would never happen again now..but must be weird for you 2,as your still friends/on good terms?

Do you know I have only ever been to Chans once and that was only three years ago - i do love a good night out at the dogs tho so much fun.

I was more of an Eros girl in Enfield. My second home.

I used to go to Chans every sunday...used to be called Vibe on a sunday....i was obviously much younger and getting up for work wasnt a problem! Plus that was after clubbing on a saturday night....oh how life has changed! hahahaha

It has just occured to me that i live very close to chans... perhapps if baby is late might go for NYE and give thinngss a kick start....

Thanks MM. Think i am sometimes funnier when tired. Rest of time I am secretly mean ha ha ha.

Erm Amani i didn't mean slap it on face and leave it!!! I'm not surprised you looked a bit shiny. I just meant for facial massage, then blot, then stick mask on. Always makes me look like i've run round the block. I last ran round the block about oooh 23 years ago .

Beller - I just don't know. The thing with my baby's father is that the sex was good, but i never wanted to have real relationship with him and i know you can't base a relationship on sex. I suspect it could be hormones playing up, although he is a good looking chap, and ironically the easiest man i've ever been mixed up with. I can say anything to him, whatever i want to do babywise he is happy to go along with. In some ways he's great bf material, but in others he isn't. He's an ex bad boy from Brixton and I am a nice middle class girl. Cliche-tastic!

He got a text when we met for a coffee last week and i made a big fake fuss and said I HOPE SHE'S A BIG FAT UGLY MUNTER AND TOTALLY NON THREATENING.

He liked that he he.

Maybe i just need a shag! (Crudeness intentional)

P.s. My situation IS weird. I've never really fallen out with the baby's father. I suppose it feels weird because it isn't weird. I don't really know anyone who's actually planned ababy with someone they're not with.

Ahhh I dunno!

But I am thinking ooh if this baby is cute and easy to train/has correct no of fingers and toes then maybe he could give me no.2?