April 2020 Babies - Thread 2!

[LokiCat]

Hey all!

Looks like we filled up the first thread pretty fast! Took me a while to realise why I couldn't send a message.

This is the first thread I've ever created, so hopefully I've done it right.

I'm going to tag the most recent users that commented, so sorry for a lot of the people that I miss. Hopefully everyone will find this.

@ellarosee
@Sunshine8888
@PrincessConsuela12
@Nikkinoodle84
@Nebulae1981
@Harriettenightingale
@morgan158
@PurpleViolin
@poopatroop
@ruthsoph
@eskimod
@Sorbfsiabs

Previous thread - https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/3640572-April-2020-Babies?pg=1&order=

Happy 9 months to us all (or most likely less now!!) and congratulations to everyone new joining 💕

@littledinosaurs thank you for your advice. I called the epu and they told me to monitor it. Thankfully I have stopped spotting for now, hopefully it will not reappear anytime soon!

Hope everyone scans are going well! I had mine Wednesday and they have put me forward I am now 14+5 due on the 6/4/20 but they were unable to measure the baby as to long, I guess I was to far gone so they just done the bloods l, this happened to anyone else? xx

I had my 12 week scan today and it came back with the fluid on the baby neck at 4.8, I had a harmony test 2 weeks ago and the fluid was much less - I have now decided to have a cvs where they take a sample from the placenta - has anyone had this? I am so worried now - my app for the cvs isnt until the 21st - I cant help but keep thinking the worse which I need to stop x

@girlanonymous that's lucky. Mine isn't until 2.30 so not too far after. Counting down the days!!

@Ruthsoph was your harmony result high risk? I was under the impression that it's over 99% accurate and unless it says your high risk, you don't need amnio or cvs even if your combined test result is high risk?

I got my combined test results back on Monday and I don't think I'll ever put myself through it again. My NT was 2.3mm and Pappa was 1.36 Mom but I had high B-hcg (2.20 mom) which made me 1:610. I am not comfortable with that and had been battling with the idea of having harmony for the piece of mind which I eventually booked last night. All my friends who are older than me (I'm 33) were given odds of less than 1:5000 for DS so mine understandably resulted in unnecessary stress and sleepless nights.

I don't like the fact that the 12 week scan was not explained to me I.e I was not told that there was a nasal bone present etc. and there is no description of anything in my maternity notes apart from the fact that is single pregnancy.Some might think 1:610 is good odds but I'm not convinced especially where everything save for hcg was only slightly above the norm and I've not been given an explanation why it might be the case nor will I be able to see my midwife and speak to her about it before the end of this month by which point I'd lose my mind.

@nicoletia I think you're doing the right thing by getting the harmony. Your odds still seem low but as you say high compared to other people. My downs risk was 1 in 28,000 and I'm 40 years old. We had decided if we got higher than 1 in 500 to do the harmony just to make sure. It's not worth the worry. It annoys me you're not getting much support from the midwife. We were told they wouldn't comment on the nasal bone and could only say the facial profile was normal. I guess no cleft palate or visible malformations. Good luck with the harmony and try to relax as much as you can. Xx

@Ruthsoph I'm sorry to hear your scan has caused worry. What were the Harmony results? I thought they were pretty accurate as looking directly at the baby's dna. Xx

Thank you for the welcome. I'm struggling with the idea of telling people in real life!

@Sorbfsiabs I've hopefully sent you a pm. Could you add me to the Facebook group please?

Thanks x

Thank you, I've just requested you as a friend, then once I've added you to the group, feel free to delete me

@Catconfusion @nicoletia my harmony results were low risk and the best results you can get at 1/10,000 for all 3 but the fluid has increase since this test - I thought having the test it was all done and dusted and nothing to worry about but obv not the case so it does kinda make me think what was the point of the harmony test xx

Hello!
I'm going to the group tour in UCLH on the 19th October.
Anyone else in the same group as me?
Xx
Lanna

@Ruthsoph what does the midwife/doctor think? If it's not one of the trisomys I'm not sure what else could cause the bigger Nuchal measurement. I've read a larger measurement can be normal. What was your combined risk with the bloods? I hope it's all ok! X

Hope everyone is feeling well I’m now 14+5 and starting to feel human again. Starting to imagine and design nursery plans in my head. Got my NT result at 1.2mm and my screening results at 1/100,000 which is fab - I thought it only went up to 1/10,000 so that’s a big relief!
Clothes starting to feel tight and I’m heading to LA and Vegas in 3 weeks so had to spend a fortune on a new maternity wardrobe!

@Sorbfsiabs thank you - I've accepted your request

@Ruthsoph when did you have your harmony? Let's not forget that NT increases with gestational age, see fetalmedicine.com/synced/fmf/2002_11.pdf

@Catconfusion Thanks. I hope it shows low risk but frankly I want to get to the bottom of why my hcg was elevated especially considering that Dr Google does not seem to say much about it apart from the fact that it could indicate the C word 😭

@nicoletia I had the harmony at 10+4 and I am 12+5 now
How do I work out the combined risk as I can't see that on my notes x

Did you ask for the combined test when you underwent your 12 week scan? They took my bloods and straight after my scan and wrote to me 7 days later with the result. What was your NT measurement when you had your Harmony scan? X

Hey took my bloods yesterday when I had the 12 wk scan so haven't had the results yet. My harmony results don't show me the NT measurement (only what I have attached ) to be honest once I got the harmony results and they said all was ok I didn't think to ask anything else x

And after getting this email I thought all was good

Are you sure you want CVS then before you get your results? I'm pretty sure that harmony is more accurate than the combined screening test. Have you spoken with your midwife? X

I have a fairly strange obsession with statistics 😄, and I have had the harmony test. The harmony test tests for genetics so the results cannot change. If your harmony results were low then that means they did not detect any abnormalities. The probability of this being a false negative is incredibly low. This is much more accurate that the NHS test, which is basically guesswork based on what they can see on the scan as well as other factors such as your age. If you have had the harmony and come back as low risk then there really is no need for any other test.

@nicoletia I am booked for the cvs on the 21st of this month so I should get my blood results early this week so then I can see what they say - I keep thinking that yes the harmony's 99.9% but I could fall into that 1%? I will call my midwife on Monday and see what she says. When I had the scan on Friday I did have 2 ladies checking each other's results so surely they both can't be wrong?? Oh this has really thrown me as you just trust what they say don't you x

@ruthsoph the probability that your harmony test is wrong is actually 0.001%, not 1% given that you got such great results. There are several reasons for having increased nuchal translucency and the harmony test has proved that yours in not caused by any of the three genetic defects that they tested for. None of them were present in your blood so they are not present in babies blood. You are relying an awful lot on the opinions of two people who are looking for a possible symptom of a possible condition, which you have already proved that baby doesn't have. Please please don't stress yourself out about it!

@Ruthsoph are you having the Cvs through the nhs? I thought they didn't refer for further tests unless the combined test came back high risk. It seems highly unlikely the harmony is wrong. I wouldn't have the cvs until you have the combined test results and an explanation from a consultant as to why the Nuchal is high when the Harmony is low. X

@nicoletia I would would want to understand too. One thing I was told before the combined test was that I might get high risk based on the fact I'd had hyperemesis as this can be a sign hcg is high. Also I read that any bleeding in early pregnancy can skew the results. Not sure if that's something you've experienced. I hope you get to the bottom of it! X

@Ruthsoph I agree with @Catconfusion and @al2616. You can have high NT on combined test but even if you end up being high risk, most women find after amnio or CVS that their babies are perfectly fine and there's no explanation why the combined test showed high risk. Don't forget that high NT, low Pappa and higher beta hcg are only markers and are not conclusive which is why we want Harmony which I believe is hardly ever false negative?

You previously mentioned that NT was not measured when you had your harmony test so you can't even compare it to what the NHS measured you at two weeks later. It may well be that your little one's NT was already high when you underwent harmony but it caused no concern as your baby's DNA is perfectly fine? I'm in a reversed sort of situation where I think that I should have done harmony as opposed to the combined test which is just a statistical tool and has caused me much grief.

@Catconfusion I was only sick once which I blame on the bad flight back home and indigestion. I had some brown spotting in the first 8 weeks but it must have been less than a spoonful and during a few days only. The only other thing Dr Google mentions is that women carrying girls have elevated beta in their bloods. When you google it, 2.30 mom doesn't look concerning where women report 5 mom and more.

My mate had her baby in Poland where they're being looked after by gynaecologists throughout their pregnancies and when her beta was elevated on one occasion, she was told that the likelihood was that her blood sample was badly handled and her doctor couldn't explain the deviation from the previous tests especially where the Pappa was normal.

I'm booked in for my harmony at 3.10pm today and I understand that it involves a detailed scan so fingers crossed they will be able to answer at least some of my questions.

@nicoletia I have spoken to the clinic who did the harmony test and they have said they didn't measure the NT because the baby was less than 4.5 cm which is normal for my stage. Also my Fetal CFDNA was 14.7% which they have said is also very good result - I am waiting for the nurse to call me back from the hosp to answer a few questions x