We've had birthday 'twins' and there'll be real twins come the summer!...mini-eggs and GTTs abound on the JSgrads' 45th fred!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 45th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The 44th grads thread is HERE

The thread we have graduated from is HERE in its 58th outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread HERE
for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

HERE is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates.

We haven't seen Deadpool yet... RR is from where I used to live and loads of my friends worked on it. I couldn't possibly face the cinema though, too uncomfy most of the time. Baby is all elbows and knees lately and I am waking up hourly since starting metformin.

mer I know how hollow the words of others can sound when you are waiting on answers. I won't pretend I know exactly what you are going through but I am thinking of you and focused on sending you strength and hope no matter what the outcome.

5hell glad you are feeling rested. Hiccups are such a funny feeling. Can you see them from the outside yet? They always make me feel like or maybe it's the greedy licking his chops bit and sheer size I relate to

Happy 38 weeks Tea!

So excited for all our newbies!

I did manage some sleep last night. Now lying in bed drinking tea.

Might do cinema next weekend if still pregnormous. Our local is a 70-seat independent with comfy armchairs and a bar selling locally distilled/brewed spirits/ales. I plan to attend baby cinema weekly in the coming months

Thanks for all your good thoughts

Today I've got a wedding favour order to get ready, and then we're off to my bestie's for dinner. Trying to find things to distract myself with!

Oh, happy 38 weeks to you too Thursday!

So the problem of not being able to decide on a name hadn't gone away. Funnily enough ignoring it didn't work

Maybe you'll know when you see the baby country? I never know for sure until I have met them.

Have just had 3rd high reading since starting metformin on Thursday. Pretty sure this means insulin and the cascade of interventions I have been trying to avoid. Feeling absolutely gutted

Thanks Tea for the stats and not making me older! Happy 38 weeks.

Oh sky try not to think the worst until youve had a chance to speak with the experts. There are plenty of happy induction stories out there, everything will be fine I'm sure.

Have a hug anyways

I read that AIBU post too Mer and Sky. Never really understood those who post for the sake of having an opinion but absolutely zero empathy. You give very thoughtful and kind advice Sky.

Mer - really frustrating your results didn't come through before the weekend. Glad you've got work to distract you.

Sky, what's the worst case scenario of interventions? Is there a limit to the number of high readings before they up the action?

Feel really feeble today. Still in bed. Merrrghhh.

The implications of uncontrolled blood sugars are serious. Stillbirth being the worst case scenario. In my case I am rapidly going from controlled to uncontrolled despite drastically reducing carbs beyond what my team considers healthy. So insulin will be the next step and as far as I remember from the ad hock consultation I had on Thursday - I still haven't seen my consutant - that means that an induction will be booked. My daughter and I nearly crashed 3x during induction at her delivery and when she was born by ventouse she was not breathing so I have a dreadful fear of trying to induce labour artificially. I would prefer an ELSC however because she was born by ventouse at the end this is classed as a normal delivery so I am getting pushback because if I delivered "normally" before I should "in theory" have no problem doing it again

Fair enough sky and I think you'd be well placed to present a case for an elective. Don't panic. Get in touch with the pros and think positive.

IME, the medical staff dealing with second time mums are much more understanding than when you get told to sort-of-just-see-how-it-goes-and-deal-with-it first time around. All my fears have been met with comprehension and kindness.

The chat I had with the doctor the other day outlined the risks of the ELCS and they seemed like a lot. He made it seam as though induction was the low risk option but my perception of both scenarios are radically different to the way the doctors see it. I know that it might not be rational to believe there is more risk to myself and the child via induction but that is how I feel based on past experience. Also, as a second time mum I know that confidence is one of the only controllable variables that will positively or negatively affect a birth's outcome. The facts are that I have little to no confidence in my care so far and very little confidence that a non-spontaneous labour will have a positive outcome yet the logical part of my brain struggles with the idea of taking uneccesary risks by choosing an ELCS. In short... I don't know what to do.

Are there further risks to an elcs because you have GD? I mean compared to me for example, who is basically having an elcs because I'm scared of having another bad experience?

Sorry, tell me to bog off if I'm asking too many questions! Just trying to understand how you feel

I don't think so, not that I recall. I think it is just the same as for any ELCS.

I am sorry to hear you had a bad experience the first time and happy for you that you got an outcome you are happy with.

Re the AIBU thread it does make me a bit when the OP digs their heels in with the nasty commenters but seems to ignore the supportive advice. I have given up on that one.

Thursday I am going to ask for an ELCS because of the experience I had last time which resulted in an EMCS. Did you find your hospital was quite agreeable?

I might not get an option between an ELCS and an induction; however after going through some of the stuff at the antenatal class last week, I feel a bit better about having an ELCS....

I'd rather that than an unknown induction that could lead to EMCS anyway....

I did Fuzzy, I had an appt with a registrar at a VBAC clinic and he totally understood my reasoning. He did raise a few queries and outlined the risks but wasn't trying to convince me to vbac, or change my mind.

I do think it's easier to request an elcs when you've had a previous section

How old is your LO?

I'm sorry you're feeling upset sky, I have zero practical advice to offer - just know that we are here for you to rant to whenever you need us!

The problem with induction I think is that a woman's body can be at totally different stages of readiness when you go in.

An earlier induction - pros; smaller baby. Con; unready cervix perhaps
A later induction - pros; body ready for labour. Con; larger baby

And so on and so on.

My induction did ultimately end in an emcs BUT I know now that that was due to DS position. So who knows what would have happened had I laboured naturally??? It's just a tricky business all round.

Country if you have been told to have breakfast on the day, then my guess is you won't be operated on till the afternoon - though why they then want you in at 8.30 is beyond me, we usually admit ladies on the morning list at 7ish and afternoon cases around 11.30! Your anaesthetist will want you to have had no food for 6 hours by the time you get into theatre, in case your spinal doesn't work and they have to give you a GA (very rare but we need to be prepared). Is there any way you can speak to your consultant's secretary to check the instructions?

Sky sorry you're having such a rough time with the GD. You do have a right to ask for an ELCS if that is what you would feel safer with, some consultants are much more flexible than others! The GD wouldn't necessarily make the operation any higher risk than any other section, though you'd have to have close monitoring of your blood sugars before and after. Inductions are a very mixed bag - some women have one intervention like the pessary/ARM and then crack on by themselves absolutely fine, others work their way through the whole cascade, it goes on for hours and then end up with an EMCS anyway - trouble is you can't tell beforehand who is going to do what! It may be an option to start the induction and see how it goes, but if you aren't progressing or there are any early signs of fetal distress, go straight for CS at that point rather than soldiering on.

May not bother with breakfast then. They schedule three a day and don't decide on order until the day

Well. My DP seems to think that I should ring the MH midwives (have been referred because of PPD after DD but habe never nreded them) or Triage because my GD midwife has not gotten back to me and I have been either crying or sleeping since 9am. I don't suppose it has occurred to him that I might be upset because I have no one to talk to IRL about this and we have DSD here an extra weekend because her mum is unwell so he is otherwise occupied... FFS I just need a little support not to be carted back off to the bloody hospital.

Oh dear, miroid not coping sky? They're daft buggers sometimes, make sure you get yourself some hugs when the kiddos are in bed.

I accidentally had an hour and a half nap earlier, with the dog on the bed with me. Was lovely.

Check with the secretary Country - no point starving yourself unnecessarily if there's no chance of you going till the afternoon anyway.

and sugar-free for Sky

Just settling in to watch the rugby now.

country sorry they aren't giving you much information

Sky hugs and agree get hugs from miroid once dsd has gone to bed.

So I went out last night and had a nice meal but the lamb wasn't as cooked as I would have liked but wasn't bloody, being so new and with work people it felt like I couldn't send it back. Went to concert of scots guards pipers feeling ok. Didn't feel too bad afterward but last night in bed and this morning nausea has been awful. Nausea does seem worse after eating in general. Should I be paranoid?