It's the calm before the storm (sort of) that is Fantastic February and the March Madness - we did a lot of shagging last summer! We need more JSers on this, our 44th thread!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 44th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The 43rd grads thread is HERE

The thread we have graduated from is HERE in its 57th outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread HERE
for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

HERE is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates. (Except it's not because I don't know how to link to the stats sheet!)

The omaprezole is working! Yay for no reflux! Didn't need to sleep on pillow mountain last night so slept sooo much better.

Baby is happily kicking away. Yesterday was the first time I felt that it really went for my bladder. That was a perilous walk across the car park! Still, no rib involvement yet so I count myself very lucky.

Hi La! waves

Apart from the vom and the reflux, I've not really had a bad pregnancy at all! Does this mean labour will be terrible?

I think the vom and the reflux are bad enough to give you a bit of leeway honey

I'm finding it hard to keep up at the moment but damn you all for talking about mini eggs... might have to beg my mum to send me some. Not that I feel like sugar right now, I just had to drink 200mls of liquid fondant. Was rank.

For me, the worst thing about the fb drama was that we upset Shell again. for you, hope the retail therapy worked. That's a gorgeous baby grow tries hard not to google another cute baby company

Love the Pooh stuff too Lil. Can you just put it all down to hormones and carry on as normal? Just a few days ago I was telling DH what a great support this group is, I don't think anyone should lose that.

Great to hear that things are going well Pretz, thanks for coming back to update us from the other side!

Mini eggs. Mini eggs. Mini eggs.

this thread basically the reason I'm going shopping before dropping DS off

Thanks La! That's really nice of you to say :) and although I'm a relatively new to this thread and haven't really scratched the surface of the FB group I hate to think people who've known each other for ages are loosing support and feeling upset.

I've found this thread hugely helpful for asking questions I probably can't in polite society –please don't go anywhere Lil. We want to know what you are doing, and GOOD hoard there! I love the original Winnie the Pooh books, make me feel all nostaligic!

Ah, love the thought of DP leaving school with fanjo cleansers shoved up his jumper Pretz:) Hope Matilda is doing great.

Hope you can book in a three day sleep Carrot, any chance?

I don't think an elcs is a cop out Mermaid and at least with all the extra scans you get to see the double trouble more often. I read this the other day about a twin birth:

gasandairblog.com/2016/02/01/the-birth-story-of-ottilie-and-delilah/

I am seriously considering stockpiling mini eggs for after easter...

Just want to echo everyone else and hope very much things blow over. This is exactly the sort of thing that happened with my old nct group and it was horrible. I love the support and hope it can go back to how it was.

Thursday if you want to pm me I can send you a photo that pretty much sums up my whole ELCS experience, was amazing! Don't remember the spinal being that awful, the cannula going into my hand was worse but that's because I'd worked myself up about it so had a bit of a 'moment'! Mermaid it's not a cop out, you just get the pain after the birth rather than before seriously, was fantastic, so much so I want to do it again! Rather missing a vital man shaped element for baby making at the moment though so fate will have to decide that one! If fate could deliver a rich one that'd be a nice bonus

Oh I'm intrigued Molly!
I expect that 'working myself up' is exactly what I'll be doing about the spinal this time. Hey ho. My mantra is literally 'I've done it before I can do it again'

I agree with pee and molly mermaid, there's nothing cop out about a section. It just presents different challenges, which will be doubled for you!

Aw shit did 5hell get upset too?! Bollocks to that.

lil very sweet post and nice to hear from you.

I am all colded up and on antibs for my kidney thing at home in bed. Feeling better than yesterday emotionally. I want to explain why I decided to leave the FB group.

Basically, I feel as though the tone has shifted recently and it felt to me that if you weren't 100% into attachment parenting, breast feeding and baby-wearing that you didn't "fit in". That was illustrated vey clearly with the GF post. Also, I feel that there are some posters on there, particularily grad grads who are a bit defensive and prickly towards those who don't share their opinions on other issues. Being a mum myself I understand that being a bit tetchy comes with the territory of having a new baby at home but there were times when I was offended enough that it bothered me IRL and took up real estate in my heart and mind. I wouldn't stand up for myself but I get quite bent out of shape when I see it happen to other posters which had become daily or more...

I am of the opinion that perhaps that group is too big, with too many members at different phases with different approaches to parenting and that is what's causing the friction. I am not 100% a babywiser nor am I 100% an attachment parent and I personally feel like I'd like to post in a place where both approaches are treated respectfully and discussed maturely and supportively. That doesn't mean to say that we have to agree, but nobody should be mean or make other posters feel stupid or wrong. I also think that there is a huge difference in the emotional needs of the pregnant and the newly mum'd. The preggos can be delicate, scared, nervous and sickly whereas those with fresh bairn are battle weary, sleep deprived, terrified, and often dealing with birth dissapointment. I just think that lately we haven't been mindful towards the unique challenges that each phase presents others with.

I know personally the thing that attracted me to JS in the first place was the lack of Mummy Wars crap in there but it seems to have seeped into the essense of the FB group and that is why I left.

And that is my twopenneth

mermaid You gotta do what you gotta do! There is nothing wrong with ANY kind of birth. Whatever gets your babies delivered safely is the right thing. Put those judgy pants you might want to put on yourself back in a drawer and lock it... there's no room for self critique here. You are already doing twice the work of any pregnant lady!

With love from me to all of you xx

thurs NCT classes have lead me to believe EMCS and ELCS are quite different, although there will be a lot of people in the room in both cases. NCT lady also said last night that epidural and spinal block for elcs are slightly different (no tube left in in the latter) so maybe that will help allay some worries.

fruit bless you! but I was just being an emotional wreck in general...sorry it has upset so many though (lil, pretz big hugs to you dont even care if that's a bit netmums!)

I'm so jealous you get to see your merbabies so often mer (even though it must be a bit inconvenient sometimes), v cool you can feel them already too!

NCT was good last night - covered a bit of pain relief options (we all realised we're quite hazy on details & facts!), "womb to world" transition and what sort of things will happen in the first hour after birth.

MW this afternoon - cant wait to hear HB again

Well Sky, I was thinking that if you were unsure about attending the meet up, you could come wearing your now famous fancy dress outfit. I'd pay to see that entrance not sure my pelvic floor could handle it though!

thurs wishing you a calm and lovely c section

merm I hope I haven't put you off induction, I would do it again. Like you say there are pros and cons to both.

carrot glad your cold is on the mend

honey so good to hear the omeprazole is giving you some relief.

M. is having her day 5 weight check today (they make sure babies haven't lost more than 10% of birth weight). Going to ask MW for advice too because we're in a cycle of short feed - fall asleep - settles very briefly - short feed, and repeat at the moment. Might try stripping her off for feeds. Is it OK to post about this here? I know I should really bugger off to postnatal...

Ff- are they all much of a muchness? At the moment I was thinking of stock piling hipp

Can anyone recommend a good pelvic floor exercise app please? Sneezing is already becoming a bit Russian Roulette at times and I'm struggling with them at the moment.

pretz you can try stripping her off or blowing in her face gently. It can also help to be in dimmer light as the eyes are still quite sensitive so babies close the eyes in bright light. Talking to her might help too. Of course you can post here about that. I think lots of us are already mums.

Keep my pelvic floors are no match for monster sneezes and coughs. Tena lights are as thin as pantyliners and have kept me much happier since the bump has become so big and my bladder has been squished.

Keep Tena have a pelvic floor app. And also, as Sky says, the lights are fantastic.

I know I'm a bit rubbish at keeping up with you all but just popped in to rub some baby bumps and say if anyone wants to know about ELCS I'm happy to share. I'd definitely have one next time and will fight for it if I have to.

The grads group has been a massive source of support for me and I'm sticking with it...everyone is welcome, it's lovely to see pics and who everyone is too
Oh and I couldn't BF, don't do baby wearing and I don't know what attachment parenting is smile]

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Pretz ooh no, you've not put me off! It's just that with 2, there is more risk of shitty stuff happening. I've spoken to several twin mum's who were induced and still needed an emcs for the 2nd twin as they moved to be transverse after the first baby was born! Eek!

Keep I use the NHS Squeezy app well, when I say 'use', 'have' might be more appropriate. You have to pay or it (a couple of quid), but it reminds you when do you your exercises, and gives you a timer to follow to do each set.

Unfortunately, it's all to easy to ignore those reminders...

Sky what the heck are you trying to do?! Damn you.

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Of course you can post here Pretzel. Like sky said you can try undressing her, rub her palms/feet, take off boob and burp her, or change nappy if it needs changing and putting on boob again. Having said that, as tiring as it is, feeding little and often is very common in the early weeks as their stomachs are so tiny, and bfing is hard work for them too!

merm I've heard that it's very common to have EMCS for twin2 after you've delivered twin1 vaginally, as it's so unpredictable how twin2 will turn once it has more space. And I would punch anyone in the face who thinks major abdominal surgery is a "cop out".

Going to a 3yo girl's bday party on Sat - anyone got any good present ideas?

So glad I have a set of baking cups. Got them specifically to make US recipes for DH.

I need to re-stock my baking cupboard. To tesco I go!