due MARCH 2007-thread no ?????

[divastrop]

i cant see a new thread so i thought id start another one!

[morocco]

sorry about Alfie, muppet

I'm knackered and bad tempered and had a big sulk with the kids today. they kept us up half of last night and then played up today. I got to 4.30 without losing it but then they both went upstairs for a poo (it is a joint effort for our boys ) and ds2 used his potty, then put all his cuddly toys in the bath and wiped his bum all over them!! Gross. I bet ds1 told him to do it, too. So they both got a right bolloxing and I took to my bed for half an hour (after cleaning entire bathroom which was in a disgusting state). I am so so incredibly tired today, I don't know how I'm going to cope once sleep deprivation really starts.

I'm going to start aquanatal classes in the new year and also the Sure Start midwife classes that I think are like antenatal classes. I thought it might be good just for a bit of a natter. Also they look after your kids for you for an hour - worth it in itself!

going off the mince pies, thank god, and today had very healthy lunch of houmous and dip things but ruined it with half a chocolate cake (ie a large cake for 6 people!) for dessert. Ah well.

[divastrop]

hello all

to hear aboput alfie,muppet.poor thing


kiwi-dd2 will be 15 months when i have this baby.there is 11 months between ds1 and dd1(that wasnt planned),they are both 8 atm.i dont have any tips on conceiving quickly after birth,dd1 was a complete mystery and every other time all i did was have unprotected sex...this time i had my iud removed and conceived 2 weeks later.
moss-i personally dont think theres any ideal age gap,though 11 months was pretty hard work for the first 2.5 years.i found it harder starting over again with ds2 when dd1 was 4.5 and at school full time.i was so out of practise.the only problem ive encountered with the 2.5 year gap between ds and dd2 was him hitting her etc when she was very small,and not being able to leave them alone together.theyre great now,she beats him about the head with her toys and he just has to sit there and take it cos hes old enough to know better

fox-whats wrong with your pc?

ive got all the kids presents from me+dp,i also have to get their presents off my mum cos we wont see her over xmas so she just sends the money and i have to get the pressies and wrap them etc

26+5(girl)

[kittyschristmascrackers]

Kiwi, I second what Diva says really, about the conception too!!!! . There are pros and cons to each gap. It IS very hard work having a small gap when they are little. It is hard being preg and looking after a baby. Anyway going to put the boys to bed

[divastrop]

kitty-i founf it harder looking after a 2 year old and being preg.mainly cos i couldnt catch him when he ran off!but my baby still isnt crawling so shes still pretty easy to look after

the 11 month age gap started to get easier when dd1 was about 2.5.there were no more nappies to change,i no longer needed a double buggy(my first son had road sense at 3,dont know where i went wrong with ds2),they played with the same toys and liked the same tv programmes.

[OCalliecomeallyefaithful]

Muppet, for you all. I don't know what else to say except I hope, and am sure, that you've got lovely memories of him that will persist for much longer than his sad end.

Foxy, "restaurant" is pushing it. Overpriced, overcooked canteen is more like it! It's ok sometimes but unfortunately we're stuck in a residential area so they've got a captive audience of fools like me who don't take their own food to work and save themselves a small fortune. But it's better than not having it I suppose so I'll shut up now.

I'll join the small tits gang. Still wearing my pre-pregnancy 36A bras, even though my boobs have actually grown a bit (much to DPs delight) and I probably should get some new ones. How bad is it to still wear underwired ones at this stage???

I was a bit anxious today because I hadn't felt usually very active LO move. Fortunately, I had the MW just after lunch, and heard its little heartbeat but s/he continued to keep shtum until much later in the day. I've had my 10 movements now and in fact the LO's just kicking away as I type, but it was worrying earlier. Otherwise, the visit was really good. BP impressively low, the MW was fine about me choosing home birth and I've got an appointment for her colleague to come round on 2 Jan for the home visit and to brief me on everything. It's starting to seem very close now... I've also got the dates for the two NHS ante-natal sessions in January.

Dolly, hope you are having a better day today.

Morocco - you sound like you need a drink, or failing that a sweet treat of some sort after your horrible day. Talking of children's sh*t - what are people doing about nappies - is anyone going down the reusable route? My conscience would like to, but I know in practice it's unlikely to happen. Btw, I'm aiming to go to an aquanatal class tomorrow. I went to a normal aqua aerobics session about a month/six weeks back, and my legs were killing me the next day - I fooled myself being in the water would take away any actual impact on the muscles - ha! I was cycling up until about a month ago and I miss that a bit. I'm too afraid to use the bike just in case I fall off/have an accident, even though I haven't since I was about 8. I have been swimming a few times but I should go much more often really. Have also failed to make it to any pregnancy yoga classes yet as I intended but I can blame that on my stupid work pattern. I did a bit in front of the telly earlier while watching Planet Earth The Future - anyone else see that? I managed to miss nearly the whole of this second PE series so I'm hoping they repeat it - around February time preferably.

[kiwibella]

thanks for your advice, girls! I don't think I'll be going down the IUD route - that is probably what kept us from having a 10 year age gap in the first place (infection and told we wouldn't know whether it had affected me until we were ttc). Dh doesn't have great swimmers either (tho that result could be the stress of being kept waiting hours for his test when we were 'trying').

Muppet... aaaw, bless! I am so sorry to hear about your family's loss. It sounds like you will have lovely memories and scattering his ashes so close to home sounds a great tribute.

Morocco... gawd - what a mess. Hope the sleep helped some. I'm shattered too... but so is everyone at work. It's that time of year - and week 15 of the term!! Roll on two weeks of sleeping.

Dh has taken some lovely pics of dd and my belly tonight. He went all photographer-ish on us and drove dd mad... but the results are fun. Lots of smiles.

Congrats on finishing the kids Christmas shopping Diva... legend!! I need to get dd's done.

Night everyone, sleep tight

[kittyschristmascrackers]

Morocco, poor you I really hate the dirty campaigns. There's nothing more yucky than poo smeared everywhere. Hope you've got something nice and liquid to refresh you.

calli, that makes three of us so far

Diva dd3 started walking on her 10 month birthday and is now running. Although she walks like a gorilla , it's a very funny sight. She's up the stairs ok and is just starting to figure out the wriggling backwards to get back down again. She's also taken to biffing other children if she can't get what she wants. We went to dd2's nativity today and dd3 was terrorising the other preschoolers by pulling off their head dresses and taking away their toys. It was quite to witnesss her thuggish behaviour!!. But I suppose that's what comes of being no. 5. Christ knows what no. 6 will do!!

[divastrop]

lol kitty-i can imagine my dd2 is going to be like that.they must think that hitting etc are just normal-thats all dd2 sees the other 3 do to each other.i keep thinking i should take her to a parent and toddler group but then i think i may just forget that idea and wait till shes 2 then send her to nursery

kiwi-i had my last iud for 3 months and was bleeding constantly,so i had it removed.

[OCalliecomeallyefaithful]

Anyone else up? I woke up about 1 and don't appear to have gone back to sleep so thought I may as well get up and try and make my legs stop twitching and tire myself out on the computer.

[MossletoeAndWine]

Morocco you had a whole chocolate cake for dessert? Good on ya girl! I really am going to have to lay off the cake soon; I am getting a fat face ! Aquanatal classes sound like a good idea (I did dream last night I went swimming, but everyone was smoking in the pool - v strange!)

Anyone had any interesting cravings yet? I've only had the most boring one for sparkling water. Funny though 'cos I never even liked it before. I was hoping for something like gerkins and whipped cream, or chalk, or something interesting!

Callieco I am going down the reusable route and would love to pretend it's because I'm living up to my Guardian-reading, arran-knit wearing credentials. But really it's because it's so much cheaper. I bought a set of 21 second hand tots bots off e-bay, that are the right size to use from birth to potty should you wish, for £100. All I need now are some wraps and I should be covered. (Ha ha, literally!) Lots of people advise against a birth to potty set having said that - Mossy has to be different once again

Mil saw them and instantly changed her mind (was dead against reusables because she remembers Terrys that you fix with a pin) and liked the look of those little nappy nippas. This is important as when I eventually get a part-time job she will be looking after Bertie when I'm not in work!

Finally, chrimbo shopping still to be done but I have done the cards! Hurray!!

[kittyschristmascrackers]

I used reusables for my first 2 as they were babies at the same time. I did get into the swing of things after a while. You have to change them much more frequently though, and poos are not nice. I found after a while that the nappies lost their absorbancy. I think they are only good for so many washes or something like that. I can't remember clearly, it was a long time ago. I used kooshies and had 2 different sizes.

[Laidbackinamanger]

Hello. Morocco - sorry to hear about your pooey mess.... not a great way to spend an hour !!

I am very excited as I have just found a local hotel that supplies mince pies, christmas cake, turkey and all the trimmings for Christmas !! And cheap too ..... You just don't understand how rare these things are in Sri Lanka.... a bit like rocking horse poo. Have started to feel an incy wincy bit festive, despite the 32 degree temperatures. How is the heat with you Eidsvold ?

Even wrapped up the Christmas presents . Mainly because I will be spending the next 4 weeks packing up the entire house to send our stuff back to England in a container . AAAGGGHH - Rainbow - how are you doing with your removal plans and life in general ???

Moss - I will probably use a combination of Baby beehinds and wham bamboo. Also with last DS, used moltex oko degradable nappies - but you need a wormery for the nappies to decompose.

Foxy - have those cards arrived yet ?

[harktheheraldfoxessing]

Hi everyone

Diva - my PC had a very nasty virus. A mumsnetter came and inatlled norton security, which zapped the virus, but has slowed my PC down ridiculously. Spent some time last night (deleting old security, deleting temp internet files and defragmenting) which has improved the speed but its still too slow. Mi BT broadband connection is like watching paint dry, so may try upgrading it.

Callie - I'm afraid we're using tesco disposables. Nappies are hideously expensive but don't think I can feasibly manage real nappies and working full time. I love my disposables, even though I knwo its bad for the planet

Kiwi - my only tip about conception (we conceived very quickly first two times) is don't get stressed. Found it prolonged conception this time that I'd MCied and got very stressed afterwards about TTC. I had an IUD when I was young and it caused excrutiating and heavy periods, would never use one again.

Morocco - sorry to hear about the pooing bathroom, sounds horrible!

Laidback, no they still haven't arrived yet! When your back in the UK, perhaps we can try again: DS now has hundreds of doubles!!!

Hi Kitty

I've done the kids pressies, but nothing for any other family members yet! arrrgghh!

[2000milestoeidsvold]

have been off line for a while with pc issues....

sorry to hear about alfie

reusables for us but I may have 2 in nappies/training pants so it will get a bit expensive. Just use muslins for the early weeks and then onto terry squares ( have them from dd2 - bt she is more in pull on nappies) - easy to fold, nip with a nippa and then slip on pilchers..... very easy drying. I just fold them ready to use when they come off the line and they are ready to go. Have some fitted nappies and am going to make some when the baby is a bit bigger. We have such fab weather too so have no issues with drying and not having a dryer....

Been very busy here

2 christmas parties for dd1 on the weekend and then we took the 2 dds to see the wiggles yesterday. Looking forward to it all being in recess for summer holidays - start at the end of this week for 6 weeks.

all chrissy shopping done except for mr eidsvold but know what he wants and will be finished soon.

[Rosydingdongmerrily]

I used terry nappies for ds1 15 years ago. Ooh it was a messy business. Now I use tescos too. They are so handy its hard to go back. I like the sound of the ones that decompose in a wormery!

Morocco your house sounds like mine on an every day basis though haven't had much poo yet. Lots of wee and sick and yesterday it was blood because ds2 jumping up and down in the bath, slipped and split his lip on the edge. It was a blood bath literally!
When it comes close to bedtime my los get hyper and nothing calms them down except story and bed.

Rainbow are you ok? Let us know how you are even you are miserable.

27wks 2 (boy)

[Rosydingdongmerrily]

oops, even IF you are miserable.

[MossletoeAndWine]

Foxy glad to hear your pc is back online!

Eidsvold what are pilchers?

Rosy your poor ds2 cutting his lip, hope he's okay now!

I have been sent home sick from work today, haven't been feeling so good, feel a bit light headed and out of breath, and was sick today; could just be ms but it had blood in it so I managed to get a doctor's appointment for thisavvy. Dh was all for leaving work, rushing to pick me up from Liverpool and then rushing me to the Doctor, he gets more stressed than I do!

Managed to stop him, but he is still leaving work early to get home, not that I need looking after; the couch is really comfy, I have Genesis of the Daleks on DVD and with a nice brew I should be fine!

[kittyschristmascrackers]

Poor you Mossy, wonder what it could be? Do let us know when you are back from the docs.

Rosy, cut lips are yuk 'cos it always looks far worse than it is and then the kids panic

[harktheheraldfoxessing]

Moss - Exterminate!!!

[AmieR]

Daleks I was fine with, but those cybermen freaked me out when I was younger. yeesh.

[MossletoeAndWine]

Kitty I went the Doctor's and got the really good Doctor that I like. Dh came with me bless him, he was really worried.

Anyway she really put my mind at rest, I ran through all my symptoms and she said that they probably weren't all linked, just separate symptoms of pgcy that had unluckilly for me all come at once! She took my bp & it was fine, had been a bit low previously. The sickness could be ms or could be a virus, said to keep an eye on it and go back if it happened again, said that blood in sick can be a bad sign but it can just be a tiny cut in your - I am going to try and spell this - oesophagus.

Foxy & Amie I was nearing the end of Genesis of the Daleks when dh came home just in time to drive me to the Doctor's (it's only ten mins walk away btw but he was feeling concerned, ah bless him). But now he is home and knows I am fine, he wants to watch the snooker!!!!!

[kittyschristmascrackers]

Mossy, I'm really glad that there is nothing bad going on, you must be relieved and your poor DH!!

[OCalliecomeallyefaithful]

Moss you're feeling crap - hope you get better soon.

Foxy, what browser do you use? After we got broadband a few years back, we were bombarded with crap and had all sorts of nasties crawl onto the PC. We changed from Internet Explorer (Microsoft - spitting emoticon please) to Firefox - very apt for you of course! - (which is free openware or whatever you call it) installed F-Prot, which costs not very much for a year's service, and it's been fine - Firefox has got built-in protection I believe. Of course, being a Mac user myself, I don't have to worry about these things !!! until Apple pisses someone off enough to create the most destructive virus known to man. I still use Firefox on my Mac though cos I like it.

Firefox and F-Prot links if you're interested.

[divastrop]

fox-dp said norton uses up loads of ram and that could be slowing down ur pc,or it could be that there are traces of the virus left that have destroyed some of the system files.try uninstalling norton and if its still runnig slow you may have to re-format,if its running fine then zone alarm(firewall),AVG anti-virus and spybot search and desroy are the best security and are all free.
he also asked how much ram you have?

callie-i have only ever used disposable nappies.i cant bear the thought of re-useable ones.i would need a spare washing machine anyway.i found tesco nappies were leaky(apart from the newborn ones).i used asda ones on ds2 till he was about 9 months then i switched to pampers,thats all i use now.i find cheap nappies are a false economy as they are bulky and you end up changing them more often.

yep,disposable nappies and bottle feeding all the way for me

hope everybody is ok.

where is rainbow??

26+5(girl)

[harktheheraldfoxessing]

Hi Callie and Diva thanks for the advice. I have a Packard Bell with Windows 2000. I will try the other browser: Firefox, not least 'cos I like the name. I suspect the virus came from my work Blackberry, when I forwarded an e-mail to my home PC as the Blackberry appears to have no protection and gets infiltrated by all sorts of nasty stuff. e.g. if I plug the Blackberry into my work PC (which has mega protection) then I get porn on the work PC via the Blackberry!!! Also a kids game site called Mouse Breaker could have caused it me thinks, as it has loads of dowenloadables and the virus appeared the night DS's friend was round playing on Mousebreaker, which we'd never logged onto before then.

hmm, interesting what you say about Norton, as a couple of other people have said that too. I can't bloody uninstall it now though!! Any tips. Have tried going into programme list and removing but can't remove it. When I go into Norton I can't find an "uninstall" button

What do you think of BT broadband? My PC has improved in terms of speed, but the broadband connection is very slow. Not sure whether its worth upgrading BT broadband, or switching to another supplier really???

Apologies to everyone else for being a nerd, but this IT stuff is like a foreign language to me!!

Amie and Moss - hey, Respect to Daleks. The latesrt Dr Who magazine has some brill Dr Who badges as free gifts . Moss hope you're feeling better soon

Still at work as we've just done a Santas Grotto on some of our estates. It was great fun and the kids were thrilled to se Santa come to their homes