We're marvelling at bucket fanjos, peeing while we vom, trying subsistence farming and staying incontinent. Keeping our GX and firmly holding the hands of viroids having a hard time - JSing grads 36!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 36th grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The 35th grads fred is here.

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 51st outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

Here is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates.

Homebirths statistically gives the best outcome for Mum and Baby from second child onwards (bare in mind though that most home births are v low risk to begin with so figures are skewed slightly.) For first baby it's stand alone MLU, then adjoining MLU the consultant led. (Sorry can't remember HB for first) Again, obviously those going to the consultant led labour wards are much more likely to be high risk in the first place so pinch of salt etc. I am in no way preaching what should/shouldn't be done BTW, just think it is v interesting and the stats helped me to make my choice (stand alone MLU with v v good local reputation). If all goes well on would definitely consider a HB for subsequent millions of babies. My friend had a HB for her first and loved it.

Let me see if I can find a link to the stats, it had snazzy graphics and everything....

I love the idea of being all cuddled up in bed after, maybe a takeaway, own shower etc but wouldn't want the rest of it! I want to know I'm minutes from the doctors if anything should go awry rather than a car ride. All a bit moot this time around for me anyway but that's how I felt the first time. But they do say the midwives are very well trained to see if things are going wrong to get you to hospital in plenty of time. Could be lovely!

Oh and Gouda get your point, think thats why I'm tempted, to see what it's like knowing. Trouble is you can't unknow once you're told and regret it! DS wouldn't have a clue I don't think, too little. He'd definitely prefer a puppy.

Pah, can't find it, sorry. Does anyone else recall what I am talking about? Think we may have discussed it on here before? Think it was by Kings College?

^wanders off mumbling to oneself and scratching ones head/bump^

I shall be finding out the gender, for practical reasons so I say, but really, as dh has pointed out, because I am the most impatient woman in the world. My sil is now 10 days overdue, I don't know how I'd cope...

Looking no need for you to be sorry! I'm a bit sorry dh is going. But also secretly looking fed to some time on my own after all the activity. I reckon I'll be bereft in about 2 weeks.

Indigo you sound remarkably chilled! I am intrigued by the epi-no, will be interested to hear how your fanjo fares after all the practice. But without a control it's quite difficult to work out exactly what impact the epi-no had.. . Don't suppose you replicated yourself before you started?

I'm really tempted by a home both. I was consultant led last time due to high BMI but was told was low risk at assessment. I ended up testing borderline for cholestasis so if that flares up I won't be allowed to carry full term let alone full term but we shall see. I live literally next door to the hospital which helps with the temptation!

I'm also tempted by the epi no, but I didn't heal properly last time so I kinda have a permanent episiotomy anyway!

Oh bum.
MW reckons ELCS unlikely, although I do have a consultant referral to discuss at some point.
Feeling very very very sad and scared and stupid now.

Also, bloods difficult to get so I'm all bruised in my elbow creases.

Glad you're well Indigo!

Thursday - I'm confused, it's unlikely they will offer, but I don't think they can actively refuse if you categorically insist? Maybe you were just too polite ! Was it the midwife taking your bloods? Could you ask for a referral to a phlebotomist next time? They are the Royalty at getting blood super efficiently and with the least pain. I hope you can rest up and get something sugary inside you.

Molly - totally fair enough. I don't see how you could regret it though! That might be my bias coming through again though...

Niff - when do you find out the sex? I thought we were roughly the same point along (I'm 19 weeks)? Although I guess I did find out during a control scan so maybe we just found out early.

wow, I'm amazed by everyone so keen on the homebirths - the thought alone makes me cold with terror. Who will clean up the mess?!?!

I'd be another one with no interest in a homebirth, though I'm hoping to be able to use the birth centre at my local hospital.

You're right gouda I wasn't particularly forceful, I wanted to gauge her opinion. I know they're not going to offer! I have a consultant referral at some point, which will be much more specific to me. I was just hoping not to have to fight IYSWIM

I'm dreading the hospital stay but I'm another who would never I'm a month of Sunday's go for a home birth. I'm 30 mins/10+ miles from any hospitals though. It would be different if it were closer perhaps. It's not an option anyway for me.

I believe the midwives do the clean up gouda. I'm hoping to get a blow up birthing pool in the living room. Failing that DH suggested paddling pool in the garden

Sorry to hear that Thursday but it is up to you, it is not up to the midwife - not her body! Do you know when your consultant appointment will be?

Ha, Would that is awesome that you like next door to the hospital! (In this situation anyway).

Jelly, forgot to say, congrats on the 16 weeks!! That's exciting!

Did she say why Thursday? Don't feel stupid!

I'm back! I don't think I answered a couple questions that well but overall it went quite well I think. The task was quite easy, and the girl who explained the task was also the one who did my short interview on Tuesday. She said "Good luck, I'm sure you'll nail it" before the interview. The pessimist in me is saying she probably said that to everyone else, but I hope she really does think I'm good Now have to wait for them to get back to me at some point next week.

honey the role is Service Support Adviser, which I guess doesn't tell you much but for me it seems like a dream job. It's a big and famous company, they have loads of benefits and I've heard very good things about them. Lots of career opportunities too. I really want that job...

Thursday sorry you had such rubbish experience. I would think that traumatic birth and previous CS would be good enough reasons for ELCS. MWs don't decide on these things anyway, so don't despair

Niff keeping yourself busy is the way to go, very of your massage!

Those who are on the fence of finding out - you could get a little envelope and ask the sonographer to write the sex on piece of paper and put it into the envelope. That way you can decide later what to do about it. Also you could get a special person to reveal it.

Thanks pud

And yeh mw tends to clean up. Apparently they aren't as messy as you think.

I'm watching gbbo because of you ladies. I'm actually enjoying it

Forgot to say thank you for good luck wishes.

Jelly gl with moving, it's such a PITA but once you're there it will be so lovely!

And gl with scans viroids!

kclpure.kcl.ac.uk/portal/files/33242518/Birth_place_decision_support_Generic_2_.pdf

this was it I think pud - I saved it last time haven't got round to reading it yet

No time for proper catch up but will do later though

Thank you for your sympathies viroids - I came home from the appt. in floods and just needed to let it all out. I feel a bit stupid because my reaction to the thought of having to go through labour seems to tell me that I shouldnt have another baby. I suddenly feel very selfish.
I also have felt since DS was born that I had such a torrid time, but I was deluding myself - hundreds of women have traumatic births, I'm not so special.

Ug.

She circled the sort of 25 week point in my notes re; consultant appt. I don't know if that actually means anything. She mentioned that my blood loss would be a big risk for surgery.

I think she saw the horror in my face! I scarpered pretty quickly out to weep in the car!

Sorry my lovelies, such a me me me post.

Thursday - In the nicest way possible, don't be so silly!! Labour is such a miniscule portion of having and raising a child! Not wanting to go through a traumatic experience is totally normal in literally any circumstance, and even in hundreds of women do have traumatic births, I'm sure many of them feel exactly the same way you do!!

Your midwife doesn't seem like the most tactful tbh. Someone mentions they have a preference for CS due to a horrific time last time round, and she starts harping on about blood loss? Helpful .

As an aside, did anyone else just find themselves logged out for no reason?

Thank you gouda [kissy face emoticon]

On the plus side my bmi is 22, so feeling pretty happy with that.

Yes, I did get logged out randomly, weird.

I agree Thursday, birth is just such a tiny bit of it that you shouldn't feel selfish for being shit scared! And it doesn't matter what anyone else went through, what you went through happened to you so is just as important.

Yes I was logged out. Took a while to remember my sodding password

No apologies necessary Thursday, we are here to support you (and send jiffys to mws/consultants as necessary until they let you have a CS!)

That's it Toast, well done!

Yey for GBBO Jelly!

MW just rang me to ask me to go see her as she's not seen me in ages. I've got an appt on Tues to do birth plan. Somehow it had been booked for a different person with a similar name!

As far as I know you can have any birth you like if it's medically possible. So if you want a C section then you request one. If the consultant you see won't agree it, they have to refer you to one who will.
Obviously that excludes medical conditions preventing certain types of birth but not a section.

Thursday, you can have a elcs but that conversation is one for the consultant and my mw has never discussed my birth choice with me at all. I'm going the other way and going for a natural birth after two sections and had to fight my case with my consultant too. I cannot stress enough how you aren't to feel silly or selfish, you have every right to be heard and you have to feel in control of your situation, empowered and not dismissed. Sections are safe and a brilliant answer to your problems, even if there are issues with bleeding they can plan for that. The last thing a mw ought to be doing is scaring you, thus she is a silly arse and not to be worried about.