Well crap in a Jiffy bag - It's the 22nd JS Grads thread!

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Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 22nd grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 39th outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread in postnatal clubs here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

So, roll call below please, viroids!

Holiday ace thanks, jet-lagged 3yo less fun

Tee your MIL sounds horrendous! We went to Spain with our in laws when DD was 5m, it was lovely, but we only booked it a month in advance! Good luck to you bringing her in line. Does sound like she's one of those women you meet in whom bf-ing didn't work, so she's gone crazy the other way entirely.

Stoat, hope your physical pain is going now, and you can start to heal.

stoat take care of yourself, sorry you had to go through mmc and lose your little bean.

tee what a crazy MIL you have. I hope for your sake that your DH is good at telling her what's what.

I haven't heard a single person say that BF is easy, but I had heard there is a lot of pressure to try and keep going - but I guess it depends, like so many other things, on where you are in the country and individual hospitals.

So sorry Stoat

Welcome back Chat! Not jealous at all.....

Indigo I've gone for an extended rear facing isofix seat suitable from birth to age 4. The particular seat I have (britax maxfix II) has a base 'built in' and we have two - one for each car so we won't be moving them around after fitting. I also have a maxi cosi cabriofix because it is compatible with my pram. For shorter trips I'll use that in my car with a seatbelt. My original plan was to use the maxi cosi 2way fix base as that takes the cabriofix (or the other first stage seat they do - pebble?) from birth and then the next stage car seat rear facing (or forward facing if you want to). Not all bases will take the larger seats so you will need to check that if you don't want to have to replace it within a year. If you want to go for extended rear facing, there aren't many bases at the moment that allow it so it's worth doing a little research. In the end I had a really good deal on the Britax which worked out a lot cheaper even with buying three seats so went for that.

So sorry, stoaty - be very kind to yourself and take care. X

tee I couldn't not post, your mil has outraged me! I stopped speaking to mine for 12m and that certainly did the trick. she is much better now. think she realised how difficult i could make her life compared to how difficult she was making mine! next time she brings up ff tell her you're quite sure babies survived before bottles were invented. stupid cow! grrrrr!

I don't think there's any pressure to bf here. The hospital seemed quite quick to suggest formula to anyone having trouble bfing. I reckon maybe you get pressure in very middle class areas?

Lol, thank you for the collective grrrrs viroids, I like to sanity check myself just in case I am being unreasonable, but you honestly couldn't make it up! I do really feel bad for Mr tee being in the middle and it's her first grandchild etc etc but I resent being told what to do at the best of times, I'm even more anti since I've been pregnant! Will report back re:holiday when Mr tee has spoke to her. As for the feeding thing, well tbh it's none of her bloody business how I decide to feed my baby, and I'll do what I think is best at the time. lil I am trying very hard to remain diplomatic, and polite, but we are on the brink of either a blowout or silence! I know there will be more to come, just wait until he's here and she wants to look after him in her smoky house.... I can't wait...
You might be onto something there wil there does seem to be a marked difference between BF attitude between the hospital I'm using (new mat unit which is a bit of a trek from us in a bit of a naice area) vs where mil works, (notoriously notorious e London hospital).
I am awake watching the Oscar highlights. What is wrong with me!?

Morning viroids, I had a dream last night that I came home and there was a girl in bed with DP, I asked her to leave and she wouldn't...so I killed her it was so vivid and now I feel all weird like I've actually killed someone! I also need to try hard to not be mean to DP because of it

I'm so sorry stoat I hope you're being looked after

I've not had bf pressure yet but I know some of my friends have. Although one friend took her bf baby into hospital at 1 week with jaundice and they were brilliant - helped her ff him, so now she has a baby who takes both. She bf at home and ff when out and about.

Just seen oscars red carpet - what's with all the beige? Soooo disappointing! Why would you wear beige with all those beautiful dresses to choose from!!

I've had dreams like that Lauren - leave me feeling really weird (and furious with DP!).

I'm meeting a friend at a 'bumps and babies' session. I'm already running late, topless, can't find a comb and haven't had breakfast. God knows how I'll do this sort of thing with a baby!

With DS once I'd ticked the 'I intend to breastfeed' box I was left alone. A bit too alone in fact. Had to wrestle a midwife in to help with the first feed and she glanced once or twice, made approving noises and carried on doing her paperwork. A bit of support would have been fantastic - and having an advocate might have helped me carry on beyond four months at which point DS was classed as a 'failure to thrive', hospitalised and I was pretty much brow beaten into giving him a bottle. He refused the breast from that point on. Back then breastfed babies were compared against bottle fed babies and were expected to have nice smooth weight gain graphs. The lack of knowledge about breastfeeding amongst the HCPs was astounding. I'd done a bit of research and knew (for example) that breastfeed babies gained weight unevenly, he was happy with plenty of wet nappies and met other developmental milestones which mattered more than weight, his stools were wet and yellow (again normal for bf) yet all of this was questioned and as a fairly nervous 21 yr old who didn't know better I didn't push back. This time around I'm already a member of the local support group, the MLU allow you to go and stay for a few days if there are any problems breastfeeding after the birth and I'm generally a lot bolshier and more able to state my case and hold my ground on things that matter!

Sorry that turned into a little rant there right better find a top and work out how to tame my hair.......

Ooh not seen the dresses yet. That's so funny Lauren - I have been in a bad mood with MrWil before because he pissed me off in a dream.

I didn't get help with DD and breastfeeding either pis...I was in hospital for a few days after I had her and I was made to feel like I was being a pain for asking for help with the latch etc, then once I was home I didn't see a single breast feeding person and my HV always came at times when she wasn't hungry. It's no wonder I didn't last longer than a fortnight I'm off to look for a local breastfeeding support group now though as I really want to with this one, I didn't know there was such a thing!

See, my area have been ace with the bf support as H was very reluctant to feed, lost a lot of her birth weight, as she was early and little! I had someone at least once a day, offering to come more if needed, calling me on the phone for check ups and offering to come out at times to suit when feeds were due. I think I'm lucky, it certainly helped my mindset to know the latch was good and have the reassurance it was just because H was early that she was behind and my milk was slow cos I'd had emcs. She's a boob monster now!! Just hoping she gains more weight :)

Pis that is so shit they were like that but your unit now sounds great. We have nothing like that up here as far as I know.

I have a free hour and really should express but I just want to lie down.

Can you lay down and express wil or does gravity not work like that?

What a vivid dream lauren! Did you know the girl?

When my in laws heard there was breast feeding classes they thought it was mental. A lot of 'we never had that in my day' . But I keep telling them surely it's good to have more support to prevent problems. We are lucky with lots of NHS support here.

dulcet luckily she isn't someone I know or I would have to try very hard not to give her the evils! She was v pretty though!

Ha no I reckon I would end up covered if I tried that. I opted for lying down - I'm so lazy. Don't want to have to go out in the hail/snow horribleness.

Feel completely out of it today. Incredibly tired :( actually panicking slightly when I think I have to stay here and work for another 5 hours. I want to run away and hide in bed. Aibu?!

Definitely not BU mountain! Are you in a position where you could take a half day? I'm in your boat too but luckily I finish work at half 1 so I'm just plowing on for the last hour and a bit, I have the horses to do this afternoon though and I'm still in pain from yesterday...roll on bed time!

I have so much to learn wil!

I advocate half day or work from home mountain. You're doing no one any good there. Can you say you feel poorly?

I have a day off today. Stayed in bed when DH went to work and actually slept a bit longer - bonus! Now trying to be productive by washing, cleaning, sorting clothes for charity shop and getting down to docs to get my maternity exemption card form. Problem is, docs is right near McDonald's... Must not have McDonald's!

Ah not really Dulcet, you probably could do one boob lying on your side. I just find it a faff.

Good luck resisting McDs.
Hope you feel better soon Mountain.

Thanks Lauren :) sadly I can't as we're already a short staffed. Might be able to leave at 4 though which I will push for! Don't know how you have the energy to go out after work as well! I was really happy getting out to exercise last week, not sure it's going to happen this week!

Cross post! Not sure I can see pts from home! Thanks for the love viroids :)

We had very little breastfeeding support with DD. People would say 'is she latching, is she feeding' I'd say I think so... Maybe... They'd tick the box that said everything was abfab and that would be that. So it's not surprising we ended up back in hospital with uber weight loss was fairly confident there was tonnes of breastfeed support where we are now, but the health visitor this morning informed me the sure start centres in my village have closed due to health and safety and my closest is now two buses away >.> have a different hv coming for the antenatal visit though as we ended up with a different hv for bump, so might have to get bf pushy with her to see what is actually available... Really need to bloody learn to drive!!

No Mountain! Don't offer ED at Home, them there politicians will hear you and think it an excellent idea Only half joking

BFing support used to be crap near us, I'm really pleased it's better now Zyla - think I might have had something to do with it :)

Pis that sounds rubbish! I do think a lot more needs doing in terms of HCPs and BF education. It's minimal unless you're keen.

Lauren! My dreams have been spectacularly dull in comparison...