Due March 2007 - No. 3

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Ahem - allow me....

fatfox: "itchy bleeding piles"

do you bleed with piles?? I'm off to do some research!

love the frozen peas suggestion!! (Not really )

What can I do?

• Try to avoid constipation by eating a high fibre diet and drinking lot of fluids.
• When opening your bowels, try to relax and avoid straining.
• Regular pelvic floor exercises may help to boost the circulation of blood in the area.
• Wrap a small bag of frozen peas in a flannel and lie down with resting against your back passage. Alternatively, soak a sanitary pad in witch hazel.

Kitty, I think you can bleed with piles if your poo is not soft and easy to pass. When I had iron tablets after DD was born, my poo was so bad that it felt like I was pooing shards of glass, and I could feel my bottom tearing on the way out . This made my bottom bleed a lot. This is when Fybogel came into its own, although I know that it doesn't help everyone. Once the poo was softer, then the bleeding stopped. Very unpleasant though.

When I am constipated, I find it helps to put my feet on a stool or an upturned bucket so that I am in more of a squatting position. This puts less strain on your back end. Hope it helps.

dollyp-i remember that thread,i know i put my 2p worth in a number of times as i could empathise to an extent with the op.but u do get some very judgemental ppl on MN ive noticed

i havent had any stretching pains as yet but from what ive read about how the baby grows etc it is meant to more than double in size from week 16-20.oh no,people are going to start noticing im pregnant and start giving me disaproving looks.

What I find bizare is my constant refusal to admit to myself that I am pregnant. So, I look at my expanding stomach and think " bloody hell", then I go away and forget all about it.
I said to dp yesterday that I didn't believe at all, for one second that we would have 6 children here next year. It must be something to do with the fact that no.5's birth is still so fresh in my memory and the prgnancy too. I'm not doing this again. I've spent too many months of my life being denied alcohol.
You see, I've kept away because I have a mood
on. Sorry

Kitty, I envy you your 6 children I wish I'd started having children earlier then I would've had the option of having more.
And....I admire the way you stick it out on those threads - if I get a bit of stick I end to say off for a few hours, then pop back later when its calmed - which shows what a coward I am. I just don't like having a nasty taste in my mouth. TBH some people are just bullies - if they don't agree; they get heavy. If they can't win an arguement; they get aggressive and insulting. Just be grateful you don't live next door to them

Anna - that does make me feel better about the IR staff Horrible aren't I?

Dolly - I saw that thread too and was really shocked at how insensitive people were .

Re squatting on the loo - I ALWAYS poo with my feet up on a 1 litre paint tin, for that very reason.
Dolly - Thanks for making me feel normal on the squating score When you are in a squatting position, the bones and back passage are in their natural position for pooing (). People in Arab countries squat to poo and I suspect tribal people without modern toilets etc do too; its just a more natural position.

You wouldn't give birth sitting on a chair without that "squat" position!

Ho hum...always seem to end up talking about bottoms somehow

Am off to a work jolly in Windsor today
Hope you all have a fab day

17+2

kitty-i feel pretty bad as well.far from feeling wonderful about having got through the first trimester,i now just keep thinking'oh s**t,i really am going to have another baby.i really am going to get fat and not be able to walk properly and i have months and months of this to get through'
can somebody wake me up in febuary please?

15+6

In pakistan they have great toilets. ceramic set in the floor with foot plates either side of horizontal bowl. And posh ones have a sprayer hooked to the wall for cleaning yourself, like a hand held bidet jobbie. I love these toilets. They are much healthier than ours I think.

Kittywits I think you've been holding up well on the smacking thread too and I do think its a worthwhile thread. Theres a few smug, self righteous people, but most seem to be honest and open minded expressing their opinion and experience like yourself. I think you sound like a lovely conscientious parent and I'm sure your kids are glad you are their mum.

It took me the first three months to get my head round being pregnant again. When I read a nice book recently about pregnancy It made me remember how special it is when you give birth and that little person arrives. Its magical.

16wks 2

Ah, thanks so much for you support Rosy What was the book you read, it sounds like it would be good for me?

Diva, I'm so glad yo feel the same way. I don't think I am depressed as such, but I'm tired and fed up with doing this and then i feel really bad because there are son many unfortunate woman who have such a hard time getting preg or keeping a baby.
Dp said people now just expect me to go on breeding forever, like I've reached a critical point and will carry on. He says he tells them he knows I've reached the end because I really want to get pissed and smoke lots of tabs. It's true
How's it going with the cigs? I'm down to one a day pretty much and I don't think I can give that one up. I feel so deprived and miserable that i'm not going to beat myself up about it. I did the same in the last preg, one little roll up last thing at night and Clara was 9lb 2oz, so it didn't stunt her it seems.
I have to balance out my stress and misery hormones too. You know as I get older I get more and more fed up with the various health police, especially the preg police telling us what we should and shouldn't do. In France I believe it is condsired perfectly ok for women to have a little drink every night. In the states of course not drop ever. So who's right? Well I think the French are an awful lot healthier than the Americans.

Hopefully I'm not one of the smug self righteous people Kitty
Seem to have had differing views to you on lots of threads eeeeks!

Yeah, I've noticed that too Piffle !!
But you have never been rude to me, attacked my views or me personally. I think it's great that we all have such a different take on things. it is a shame that some people can't hack it when their views are challenged. That is no different to RL though. It is harder here though because you can only judge by words written and not by using tone of voice, facial expression and body language as well. I am still always shocked by the viciousness of some of the replies, not just to me but to many others.
The SN thread was the worst I have ever come across. It was driven purely by rage by some posters , there was no logic and no listening to others.

Afternoon everyone.

Feeling dead chirpy today - long may it last. Been humming little tunes to myself and bump 'round the house. 2nd trimester hormones?

Dolly: Oct 12th sounds good. Diary is buried somewhere, but I'll dig it out later and check. We can sit in Mimosa and have whispered conversations about bowel-movements.

Kitty: you sound really down. Is your DH a good hands-on helper? Sounds like you need a bit of a break to me.

Now I've decided to give up my extra teaching work I feel like an enormous weight's been lifted. I'd rather be broke than miserable any day .

Felt bump kick properly for the first time last night. He's been fluttering and wriggling for weeks, but last night he jabbed at my tummy. DH put his hand there, and felt it too.

EDD 3/3
17+2

kitty-i was down to 2 cigs a day but ive had a bad week so gone back up to 4(which is better than 15 like at the start).i smoked through most of the pg with ds2 and he was 7lb12,yet Gloria was 6lb 13 and i didnt touch a ciggie after 16 weeks with her.
i find it a vicious circle,cos i hate being pg and i feel awful,but then i feel guilty for feeling bad when im so lucky to be able to have children,then i feel even worse
i know theres going to be a wonderful little person whom i adore falling out of my{insert approved MN term here} in march,but i just wish i could fast forward to then

i find the smacking debate on MN quite interesting,as i have no strong opinions on the subject really,but there was a post about somebody who'd found out she was pg when still being treated for PND a while ago,and there were some very nasty comments on there.thats the only post thats ever made me genuinely angry

maybe somebody should start a thread on which country has the best kind of toilets for pooing in and not getting piles.that may lighten the mood

hello ladies... this thread warfare sounds most fascinating....have'nt had a look, but will comment anyway! Seems unbelievable that people get rude on your views surely there is some tolerance for ALL views - there is more than one way to skin a cat, therefore, surely more way to raise a kiddo or two ?

Kitty - I second Boo's view. You need a break.I do take my hat off to you, I find the PG thing tough and dont have any kiddo's to look after - you must be flat out and this has to contribute to the blues. For goodness sakes, dont beat up on yourself that you are not the image of health... I think surviving this all is what counts.... Actually, I raise my hat to all the wise MNers with kiddo's - and preggers, WOW...

Now, I know you are all dying to know....
Chapter IV - Screening Saga
Rang my GP today to get appt for nurse to take my blood for this screening test. OMG a bloody war ensued. They flatly refused! I had to patch in the midwife and finally escalate it to the Office Manager and Senior GP to get "permission". The midwife, who had palmed me off to get a private screening test in the first place flatly denied giving this advise. I am truly enraged... Oh well - what do you do ? Its just a shite, unhelpful service! They are doing it now, but what stress.

Fatfox - you should have said you were in Windsor earlier, I would have insisted we meet for a cuppa or two

Love the tips on loo etiquette. Frankly it makes sense.... So far I am finding those probiotic yoghurt drinks work for me.

Boo, DollyP glad you are feeling a bit better

DollyP - Yes have been to RStein restaurant, treat for birthday, delicious! Unfortunately was in first trimester.. I felt awful, DH was dismayed that the first thing I did when we got home was to chuck it all up in the loo.... DH has never let me forget it!

Rosylily... what is the book? I think it might make a great read

Kitty... I understand what you mean about admitting you are pregnant. Apart from close family and friends, I have only just made our "announcement". I am really surprised no-one has asked why we left it so long. But, all the hugs and good wishes are helping me to realise that this is a good thing too. (But, I didn't like being told that being upset over a child's awful behaviour at work today was my hormones!! They wouldn't have said that a week ago).

fatfox... I haven't read the thread but I agree that some people are bullies. Especially when they can hide behind their computer screen or immediately reply with their gut reaction without giving their response some thought.

Onilly... outraged!! That's bloody frustrating. Glad you got there in the end.

diva... getting fat and not being able to walk properly .

Booboo... you go girl! I am smiling at your chipperness

Hope everyone is having a great day, whatever you are up to

Thanks onilly, I've had a lot on my plate recently and now things are starting to calm down I think I'll find my feet again.
I really feel for you, the shit service you are getting

kiwi, it's funny but people keep asking me how I am and I don't understand for a few seconds. I don't know why they asking, then I remember.
It reminds me of a time when I was about 25 weeks preg with dd3. I was at a place that had pens of rabbits and guinea pigs etc.
I was bending over one looking in when a young women came and stood beside me. She turned to me and asked very sweetly
" Do you know what it is?"
I was a bit confused at her question as it was very obvious to me that it was a pair of hairy guinea pigs. Then just before I was about to say " Guninea pigs" I realised she was refering to my bump and the sex of the baby!!
That was a close one. I still chuckle about it even now

I'm off to a mandolin concert with mother tonight , have to do all the kiddies on my own as DP has gonwe to a meeting, so best get a move on and hope I don't fall asleep in the concert. Have a good evening all.

Hi everyone

sorry I don't have time to respond to everyone's posts, but have read them.

Kitty - keep your chin up, we love you Seriously, don't feel guilty - you've got loads on your plate. I can barely cope with two, so don't know how you cope with 5 and being PG too -you must be knackered. Totally agree re. health police - its just another guilt trip for Mum's trying their best.

Onilly, I'm in Cumberland Lodge - do you know it, its in the Great Park. Am going home later after Dinner, as I can't stand to saty away overnight away from my babies (aged 3 and 6 ), but have another day tomorrow. We went for a huge walk and am exhausted.

I'm getting really cross about the way your local NHS is treating you - which hospital is it again?

Hello ladies. I can't begin to even pretend that I have read all the posts since I last posted, as we are actually on a new thread now. As I am back home in Spain and settling down to normal life again I thought I'd log on and check in with you all.

I had my first scan last week (at 14 weeks), and all is fine, much to my relief. Then I went to the doctor's appointment (quite tricky in a second language) and it soon became apparent (even through the language barrier) that I was expected to drop my knickers, put my legs in stirrups and lie back as they did a quick smear test! Is this normal? Anyway, they seemed to be saying that I can try for a natural birth (after my c-section last time), and if I need another section then i can have a local one, rather than a general which is what most people seem to get here. So i am relieved to say the least.

Work is hectic, don't have much time for anything really. My DS has started school at the local spanish village school where he is the only english speaker. He is doing really well and seems very happy. When I pick him up, the older boys always say bye bye to him, and one of them gave him a kiss on the head this morning. I was quite touched.

I'm still being sick - about 5 times today. I'm still on the anti-emetics. I came off them for two days and relapsed so severely that I had to take to my bed. So I'll keep popping them - at least it helps me function. Still losing weight at the moment - lost 6 kilos now, but I have a small bump and people have started to notice, which is satisfying.

I'm sorry I haven't been around to follow all your sagas. I will now attempt to keep more on top of this thread. Hope all of you are doing well. Good to be back

15+5

Kiwi-The book is from here to maternity by mel giedroyc. Its a gentle, light and funny read. and actually not very different from the funny posts on here! That was about her first pregnancy and I think she has written a follow up book. She does comedy with sue perkins double act kind of thing and I always really liked them both.

Hi,
,
Wow,3 of us were in Windsor today I work in Windsor and actually travel home hrough the Great Park.Back there again tomorrow.
As the kids havent seen me for a while they have been playing up the last 2 days,Im looking forward to more time off lol.

Woke up this morning to a rash on my belly,with no idea what it is

Thanks fatfox xx

Rosy - that books sounds good - I might buy it. (have vagely heard of it I think). Will you go to GP re. rash - is it itchy?

Dixia - Hi and glad your scan went well. Do pop in more often! Its really good to hear about Spain and to find out how you are doing. Not sure about the smear. I think hey probably wanted to give you one if they weren't sure you'd had once since DS. I remember being asked a couple of times "have you has a smear since you're last baby?"? Glad your scan went well, its such a releif isn't it?

Shanks and Onilly - if either of you are in the Great Park today anywhere near Cumberland Lodge at lunchtime - give us a shout on 07779-289-041. We'll probably lunch 12.45-1.45. Would be great to meet you.

Hi Kitty I keep poppong back to that smacking thread to see how its going, don't you?

Hi Fatfox, yes I do keep popping back, it has calmed down alot and people are being sensible and actually having a discussion (well at the mo anyway)

Kitty - those threads are just so compulsive aren't they?

Well, I'm still struggling to catch up on all your posts after the weekend, but its taking time so I'm posting to say hello and let you all know me & twins seem to be doing fine! I have had a burning pain around the bump on and off since yesterday, I don't think its contractions, more likely growing pains or something with my digestion (it feels kind of like heartburn but goes all the way down and mostly not in the stomach). I have worried it could be an infection. Thing is, I find when i am pregnant my body becomes so unfamiliar to me because its changing so fast that I don't have a clue what is where anymore and what I am feeling. Anyone else have pains like this, is it something I should rush to the doctor about?

I'll try to write a less selfish post later !