graduates of the wine-and-shagging-after-mc thread come hither!

[wilderumpus]

Seeing as practically all of us have now got pg, here is a new home for all of us to come to carry on chatting after getting the BFP after our mcs. Today we are pregnant! :)

one don't worry about not feeling rubbish - it's totally random. I felt bad with DD1, absolutely fine with DD2, and rubbish with this one.

wild odd that they don't tell you why you have consultants appt. I think it's reasonable to be able to find that out before you go. They do get rather bossy, don't they? I had the doc on to me today about flu jab which I am avoiding having avoided it last time after the swine flu panic.

Well done for sorting and junk throwing, sheldon. And ooh how exciting about mat leave! It's mad as I think of you as way ahead of me (and Feb seems soon) but I will prob start Mat leave at the start of April which is only 2 months after you! This way I will be about for school holidays (mixed blessing ). Good idea to email about nursery places, it all happens soon enough. The only thing I found annoying was the deposits as unless you don't mind spending a few bob, you kind of have to choose your nursery first. Maybe that's just London though. Oh and glad being pg hasn't brought out the liar in you!! (Although first 12 weeks pre scan are rather a test of how good one is telling the little white ones).

wild I think your move sounds very exciting! In a way, will be nice to get DS settled (as well as you and DH) in a new environment before upheaval of new baby! And you will all be able to enjoy bonding over the summer holiday!

I have just eaten a whole bag of tortilla chips with salsa and sour cream and cheese - very piggy!! I am feeling pretty good today if slightly bloated now. Walked to my local shopping street today and got some stuff I've been meaning to get for ages but simply could not be arsed to do! It was sunny too! It's my previous (MC) edd today, so it's a bit odd in a way although part of me is glad that I'm not about to drop - in that, I don't feel ready for a new baby right now... in about 6 months should do me just fine . I hope this doesn't sound heartless to some of you who feel differently, it's how I best process it.

Oh yes and Tim Michin was a very nice chap - quietly amusing and though I know what you mean about his sex appeal, wild I'm not sure I share it though charisma is very attractive!!

Sorry another epic post. Although I don't know why I'm apologising as I always like reading all yours!

boo if you don't want the jab just say you don't want it and stare at them :) My friend has a doctorate in pharma wotsit stuff and said it was a fine jab to have so I tottled off and had mine but normally I do tend to be skeptical of these things.

yay for scoffing :) I have my stew in the slow cooker broiling to death am sure and my tiger bread all ready for tea! just scoffed loads of choccy cake from the toddler party yesterday, eek! I think I am starting to get a bit fat!

thanks for the reassurance about moving. am so nervous... but excited too. And it would be nice to be settled and looking forward to a summer all hanging out at the beach. The thing I like about cornwall is the lack of pretention which will please me no end when am all fat in my summer get up! in fact, I'll look odd if not in a baggy fleece :)

ooh maternity leave chats! that is exciting!

ahhh edd day. :( I do totally know what you mean, is mad to think I would be ready to pop now too... Am definitely not ready! I think my edd day might actually pass me by without realising. The date I mc'ed will be more poignant I think as that was 'real', if you see what I mean.

hmm.

boo I like epic posts, they are always nice to read. You aren't much further on than me are you. It will be here before we know it.
About due dates - I'm glad mine has passed now and it was a relief to be pg on the day. I have realised that I could actually give birth on the same day I mc'd. That would be weird but I suppose it would turn a sad day into a happier one.
wilde Tiger bread! Great idea. Will get some to go with my leftover stew tonight!

Your typo was funny Sheldonella! Wow, mat leave and nursery places, you're on the ball! And thanks for the reassurance. The stitch appt should be coming through on the heels of my scan.

Hey Boo, we each deal with things differently. When my edd date came around I was just a bit shocked that I would have had a little one to learn about, if I hadn't been pg then I may have felt very different. Your tortilla chips extravanganza sounds yummy! (And I think we have become prone to the longer post!)

Wow, Sheldonella, that would be strange to give birth on the same day you mc.

Now, I've had a nap and woke to eat half a tub of Ben & Jerry's and am now freezing so it's off to the bath tub for me!

one that is funny that you ate loads of ice cream and need a bath to warm up

really want a bath now!

Found out the random appt was indeed a consultant appt! Because of the recurrent mc's. So weird that no one medical has given a stuff about it thus far, being dismissive at best because two were early mcs, but now they are giving me a consultant?! At 13 weeks? Anyway, I spoke to the admin and then my MWs (ooh I like having MWs!) and both said it was routine and if the dating scan is ok is no need to go to that appt as they won't really do anything to stop mc if it is going to happen. And they will listen in at my 16 week appt so have that to be reassured by in a few weeks too.

UG small dilemma (again) ladies. help! DH thinks we should settle DS into nursery in Jan as if we are not moving, in case we don't find anywhere for a while (likely) or I can't move house because of the pg (sick or spd). Ohhhh 'eck. back and forth I go. I dread settling DS in to somewhere he might only be for two weeks (and taking another child's place knowing we might leave) but then again he is really excited about going there (we go to the children's centre there and so he knows it and its playground well!) and I am reaaaaaally excited about having two and a half days to swim etc, just me and bump (then baby if we are still here!). is it selfish to take him along knowing we might leave, and disrupt him even more? hmmmph. sorry for being so demanding, my head is all confuddled and i do like advices :)

I like epic posts too...

must work! (bath?!)

Wild that's great they will be there if there's anything they can do, should really have told you though, uff, medics!

I can't offer any advice re child care I'm afraid. I'm not even a novice yet. But I think you're being very thoughtful and considerate.

I went to the Thai kitchen in my nearby pub tonight and had soup. Yum.

Hope everyone has a nice evening!

you had THAI SOUP one?! without me?! How could you?!

Hello. anyone?

Having a bad, miserable time here. Need to offload. look away now if you don't like mammoth posts

Half term was good, but all 3 ds went down with a variety of colds and coughs (to be expected when weather changes I know). They each seemed to just about get better then go down with another one. I tried really hard not to get any of them, but had that fighting off a cold feeling towards end of last week? Went away for weekend to a house party type thing - to do with dh's family. Was a 6hr drive away. Didn't want to go anyway as was looking and feeling like a fat heifer and knew i'd have to deal with the 4 boys, oh you must be disappointed comments Ended up overdoing it as his family are so f-ing useless so came home with 3 overtired and tearful children whom I then had to send back to school the next day. Yesterday morning I woke up feeling rotten. this morning I've lost my voice. Was supposed to be going to the big smoke tomorrow for the night for a jolly, which I've had to cancel. Been told not to take ds3 to nursery tomorrow as he's too poorly, and they don't want his germs well neither did I.

Went to playgroup this morning. Mistake. Full of new people, all gawping at me when they asked if it was pg2 (as only had DS3 with me) and I corrected them with a 'no, its ds4 on the way'. Grrrrrr. Then they all asked if I was knackered. Yes, obviously. No sympathy offered - just 'oh well you knew what you were embarking on'. Does the fact that I wanted a big family (only child myself) mean that I'm not allowed any sympathy? Grrrrr, again.

aw ice! how rubbish! but we love epic posts, I think that was the consensus as we all seem to keep writing them :)

what a manic weekend. Have you got today or an hour later to just sit and relax? Sounds like you need a bit of down time . I have some chocolate cake from the toddler party I went to at the weekend, would you like some?! :)

how are your blood levels now? are they still low because that, obvs, will not be making you feel very jolly atm either.

wilde the one thing I've discovered is that kids are massively adaptable.

There is much in child rearing literature about only introducing one new thing at a time blah blah blah. It's all a load of pants. Your ds is happy and secure, and will be fine with whatever you or life throw at him. (Am not being narky - it's just something I've learnt, particularly over the last 6 months.) You and bump/baby need time to bond - nursery for a mere 2.5 days will provide that opportunity. It's hardly as if you're going to put him in from 7am-6pm 5 days a week like some people I know do child is an accessory or box that had to be ticked, I suspect. All my ds have been at nursery from a variety of ages and have loved it - it's a step on from the childminder and your DS will thrive too. And as you don't work as am assuming this will be when you are a sahm if you don't send him in on a particular day, or decide to collect him earlier, then that's great.

If you do end up moving early in the New Year, then he will have the added bonus of a new way of life, time with you and his new sibling before he starts at new school etc.

It sound to me as if he is a perfectly happy balanced cheeky little chap - and will be fine! love love love cheeky boys, I do

PS: anyone heard from chuckle? She last posted way back on 11 Oct yes, am spending too much time on MN today and I'm worried something has happened.

yes. where is chuckle. What AN thread might she be on? do you want to pm her ice or shall I?

thanks ice :) you are experienced and wise and I feel greatly reassured. I am taking him to nursery in Jan as DH thinks that is best for all of us and I do think he will thrive... and indeed when we move that will be a new step for all of us and we will look out for each other accordingly :)

and he is very cheeky! he even looked cheeky when he was born!

I've just looked back to the beginning of the thread, and chuckle was about 15 weeks at the end of Sept? By my reckoning she should be having her scan about now.

Mind you - her last post did say that work was very very busy. Just hope she's ok.

How do you pm someone? Haven't worked that out yet?!

And just remembered something consultant said to me yesterday - eat chocolate, particularly the dark stuff, as it's iron rich.

No arguments from me!

I sadly do not need prompting to fulfil my dietary requirements ice as I eat like a piggy at the mo! It is part of the condition for finishing my PhD, I can eat what I like as long as I am working on it!

you however, do. are you off red meat and ting? can you make a nice spinach soup? am not a huge fan of spinach but I do like a creamy, garlicky spinach soup :) is veer good for your iron, as I am sure you know.

will pm chuckle now. am not sure about it either actually but I have done it before!

Poor you Ice, not fair at all. Am sending you the Biscuit of Sympathy, here . What a shame you're not able to have your evening out tomorrow night and you've lost your voice, sounds like you're really under it all. And no, being an only child and wanting a big family are not reasons to exclude you from sympathy. Here's the Tea of Sympathy as well .

God, October 11th was Chuckle's last post? Where is the time going? Let us know if you get a response Wild.

As for me, I'm going to dinner in an hour, I must not eat now, I must not eat now, I must not... ooh, is that edible?

hello! Ooh ice so sorry you're having a rough time, life can be a hard, thankless task at times. Hope you are feeling a bit better. Are the kids back at school any time soon? Or can you get someone to help give you some time out? It's such bad luck that this has all happened prior to your night out. Can you rearrange it?

wild any response from Chuckle?

one I know what you mean about going to dinner. I am finding I have to eat by 6pm so a dinner out (inevitably later) is a disaster! I have actually got (for the first time in months) nights out on Thursday, Friday, Sat and Sunday. How the hell will I cope!? I am feeling much better now, though so I am hoping for the best.

By the way, the flu jab conversation was on the phone so it was tricky to give a hard stare wild. The thing is, I am undecided, and said so, which she took as an invitation to convert me. So I s'pose it was my own fault. It seems a lot more acceptable now, but last time (2009/10) I was pg it had just come in with the added swine flu bit and it was all a bit controversial. I didn't have it then so I suppose I should do the same this time, but now the DDs are in school and pre school I guess I might be more exposed to flu. Anyway, just rambling on - I still haven't totally decided I suppose!

No news here. I think (whispers) that my parasites may have left... but still waiting for confirmation! DD2 woke up at 3.30am and came into my bed, so had half a night of kicking (DH is away). So methinks a nap is in order when she goes down shortly.

no response, no :(

boo that is a lot of nights out! I am feeling better too but am asleep early still I really like to go to bed for 9.30 these days. In fact, I haven't felt nauseous for ages. and I don't want a nap today...

HEHE at phone convo, you should definitely go quiet and stare really hard I had the jab at that time! with the swine flu shenanigans (whatevs )! Tho I must say this time round my arm is really itchy! and still sore! wtf. I think it might be becasue I am here, typing away for hours and hours with the ol' work MN

good luck with the bugs :)

oh yes wild I am in bed by 9.30 kinda girl these days. Rock and roll!

GOOD LUCK with the scan tomorrow, hope it goes well, I am sure it will - to have got this far the likelihood of any problems is hugely reduced. Let us know.

I don't know why I am nervous about the jab. I am pro immunisations generally, I just can't shake the nerves when I am pg. I said to my mum that I thought I wouldn't have it as I never get flu normally and she said 'oh so you won't have any natural resistance then?', which was helpful, NOT . I am also hoping that by the time the whooping cough one gets offered to us it will be out of season so I don't have to make that decision either. I am a wimp. Will definitely hard stare that doc next time though . I am sure itchy arm is because of typing. I am getting numb arms specially in bed (part of the carpal tunnel prob I think but v annoying).

Just a quickie as I've not had much of a chance to post!
Good luck with your scan tomorrow wilde!
boo I'm the same with immunisations - usually fine but for some reason haven't been able to bring myself to do it while pg.

thanks guys. is it a bit weird that a) I don't believe i am 12 weeks and feel like I am cheating when I read about 12 week old babies in the pg stuff; and b) that I don't really have a baby in there? Which is mad because I definitely do as I had two scans and we saw it. And if something had happened, it would still be in there as it hasn't come out. How can you have two scans and still not believe you are pg?!?!

boo I am bit thick, and wonder how, with all the different strains of flu that there are, we can immunize against them?!

we will get whopping cough, I asked the MWs if they will still be doing it when am 28 weeks and they said very definitely yes. i did my research on MN (!)!)!)!) and it seems to be a good idea!

My friend at primary school at whooping cough and she left school with it and never came back :( I don't think she died (I left that school before she got better) but she was really terribly poorly. I remember (I was five btw) thinking about how terribly romantic it was, like TB too, because only very lovely and undeserving little girls in orphanages in my books got those illnesses

whopping cough?!! oh dear. we will get the whooping cough jab that was meant to read. sorry have been typing bloody PhD rubbish for hours and see a chance to, erm, not type properly?!

arf am stoopid :)

Just a quick one. Dog now ill too. Scavenged something foul in garden and I couldn't waddle there fast enough to stop her. Keeps throwing up everywhere. Stupid bloody dog.

Ds1 played football against his old school today and coped, and played, really well. His former teacher commented that he'd really come on and expressed surprise. My response was that it's amazing what kids can do when given a chance and not written off. on fighting form today, I am!

wilde what the is your scan tomorrow please? Then I can check in to see that you are indeed ok?!

am bit embarrassed to be so demanding but actually really really mind what happens to you ladies. It's been a funny old journey and you've all been so supportive? Or maybe that's just my hormones again

one thanks for the and of sympathy yesterday - appears to have done the trick

See? Managed 5 paras and was only going to be quick

Time - not 'the'

Shame I can't type accurately on phone...

it's at 3 ice! Thank you for caring :) am reet scared but everything seems ok so am realllly trying to counsel myself into not freaking out. it is routine, I have seen the baby at 9 weeks and after that the chance of mc goes down to 1%... but still I fret.

bless your DS1, was he not very good/confident at it before? well done you telling her what was what sorry about the dog. bleugh.

DS is making whining noises outside his room when he is meant to be in bed, DH hasn't come home and I need to work! If DH is late home and he hasn't rung to say why it normally means he has sloped off to the pub. Why oh why do I never have anywhere to slope off to without telling anyone?!

I am so tired. zzzzzzzzzz.