March 2013 Mk III - Hopefully the nausea will wear off soon...

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I am nestled in the nursery chair with sleeping DS sprawled on me - have been here since 4.43 (exact time possible as DS was born at that time on 29/09/11 and it has therefore stuck in my memory!). If I try to move him to cot, he wakes & cries. Sigh.

Symptoms all but gone here. Terribly worried but trying to keep a lid on it and remain sane. Should be 11 weeks today and scan next week so not long to wait...

Blimey, I take an evening off and you lot move house :)

Ok, also suffering from too much to read and forgotten names syndrome, but here goes:

Sorry about your cat sundae. It's the manner of it that's so upsetting, and not finding the body. I'm a cat person too do I sympathise.

zoey your experience at the hospital sounds horrific. Have you had any counselling? Some CBT might be helpful in getting you through future times in hospital.

mrsrigby sorry you're having a hard time. Can you sleep in a spare room for a while so your dh doesn't wake you up? It's what I'm doing as the steroids have made me insomniac - once I've been woken up I'm stuffed for the night. Quite stressful when you're working fulltime. You do sound very angry and stressed though _ please look after yourself and try to have five minutes calm breathing with your eyes shut when things get overwhelming. Your DH is probably trying to work out maternity leave finances?

floweryboots Schools are a minefield. I can only tell you what I did: look at the admissions policy for the school first. Cofe may well take only cofe children then fill up any leftover spaces with non-cofe children. Council website will have stats on this from previous years, as well as stats on the furthest distance from the school that they have accepted, iyswim (can't think how to phrase that better - shocking really , given that I'm an editor!). Each authority will be different but the stats are out there. And ofsted of course but remember to read between the lines. An outstanding should always be measured against what the school is working with - ie difficult intake, impoverished area, lots of home/social probs but still outstanding - not the same as an outstanding from an affluent, middle class area. Took us a while to figure that one out!

Sorry to anyone I've missed who needs hugs or high fives. Oooih prams, nearly forgot! Now maybe I'm mad but I'm not planning on buying a new one. We've got a perfectly good bugaboo frog in the loft from when ds was born, and a mclaren buggy for later. And whoever was asking about what to buy re travel systems etc - there's no perfect answer. But in Mu experience most people shell out loads of cash for the latest trend (as we did with the bugaboo) and then find it actually is a bit cumbersome/easy to grow out of/in some other way impractical, and get a mclaren buggy when the kid is a bit older. I loved our frog for its looks but it didn't fit down the aisle of a bus ( really bad when you live in London) and I could never remember how to break it down quickly.

Of course this is assuming we can find all the bits of the bugaboo that got flung up there....

Today is already giving me a headache.
After a decent nights sleep I woke up to let the OH out (have to lock the door behind him) which then set off my vom reflex and spent 20 mins dry retching blood into the toilet.
Take myself back to bed to get some energy and the other half calls up, he's coming home, problem at work and he's not required til lunchtime. So he turns up, and then spends the last 30 mins grilling me about baby budgets and asking me to reason why I need some things. Urgh. I do not have the mind for this right now! Let me have my bed back.....
Apparently I have to have a list of budgets for him tonight... Personally I thought I could revise for an exam today and not risk failing in a couple of weeks. He's gone to the gym now - clearly miffed that I didn't want to get dressed and go with him!

Hi Mrsrigby - he shut the curtains and when I thought he was adjusting heart monitors (putting hands down gown) I didnt have any and the hand he asked me to squeeze wasnt his hand but was his bits - the poor girl he assualted on bail he did a lot worse too and then a few more were found before me. It was theatre recovery not the actual theatre. The hospital admitted a lot of faults and rules not being followed! It was in a few papers I think the main one was the Daily Mail. I have a little look every now and then to remember that face as fresh as I can esp before going into hospital his name was David Foster. He was agency so the hospital before mine just sacked him and the one in Hull after just accepted his CRB check from before didnt order a new one as the other one was still in date.

Sundae - dont apologise to anyone your animals are part of your family and everyday life and of course you should be upset and anyone who isnt shouldnt be allowed pets :)

Well I was slightly worried about having no symptoms apart from being tired )but it is month end at work so am working 40-60 hours a week) and this morning I walked into the kitchen and hubby was eating something and the smellmade me run to the loo to be sick - strange how thats made me feel better, lol!

Morning ladies. I think I have discovered that it is food with wheat in that are making me feel sick. I've had a couple of days avoiding it and feel fine. Never had any problems with it before - anyone heard of pregnancy induced wheat intolerence? Could be all in my mind of course but I feel better so am sticking to the theory :)
zoey that is awful, I'm so glad that man went to prison. It is a shame he is out.
sundae Sorry to hear about your cat, I would feel the same - so awful to lose a pet that you have loved and looked after.
mrsribgy I hope you get some rest today.
JoJo you poor thing. Hope it wears off and you have a better rest of day.
I can't believe we are up to thread no 3 already!

Thread number 3 and still in our first trimester,lol!!!

Bit of a random question but can you ask for another midwife if you think yours is a bit of and idiot and she fully admits she has no clue about my medical condition and googled it a bit but thats about it? Also if I feel she aint interested in what I want or feel

Em tinker pips flowery and hermione my scan is also on 3rd Sept so that makes 6 of us :-) will be a busy day on here! What time are you all in for? Mines at 1:50.

I always think its mad that mums always buy so many buggies it seems! After being a nanny and sampling all the buggies we are going to get a phil and teds straight off for following reasons-

• all terrain- v.important IMO if you go over any gravel/sand/walk in the country, usual travel systems don't allow this.
• can be used from newborn as lies completely flat or can have car seat attachment if desired.
• can convert into double if you end up having two close together saving you buying another pram, or if indeed look after friends baby for the day you've automatically got it there.

I used an outnabout side by side buggy for two boys I looked after and it was terrible. They were sat right next to each other so would squabble and annoy each other and it was so wide had trouble going through doors and i had such trouble getting it on the bus had to take the wheel off and struggle the whole way it was so embarrassing, and going round shops - forget it!! I know some people say they feel sorry for a child sitting behind but it is no different to them sat in a car and having to look out the side! Not all children are the same either, i had an introvert who would have loved to be cocooned down there.

Anyone had a phil and teds and have a bad experience?
I do agree that a very cheap light MacLaren is useful for when they are big toddlers just in case, but I do hope a phil and teds means we will have only the One pram!

Kirsty We're neighbours! Yes going to Wythenshawe. You?

Zoey Wow - how long were your DCs in SCBU then? Horrific story about your experience in hospital. What a betrayal of trust

sundae Sorry to hear about your cat.

Has anyone delved into looking at antenatal classes yet? I know it's a bit early but with classes getting booked up so early I thought I would send off some enquiries yesterday. Have already had an e-mail back saying they have reserved a place for me which they will hold until the 20th of Aug so I have to pay and confirm by then!

I will only be about 9 weeks at that point. Seems a bit early to be paying for a course when I'm still not out of the danger zone?

By the way, I know I have already got 2 DCs, but it's 5 years since I went through all this so would feel more in control and prepared if I went through classes again. They were such a help last time.

About schools - I would suggest ringing the school as well. It does vary a lot from area to area and from year to year even. Also depends on the size of the intake.

Buggies - with DS, used M&P travel system for first 18 months and then got a maclaren stroller. When DD came along, I used a P&T Double buggy which was just fantastic. Holds its value really well so if you buy one, you can ebay it when you're done with it.

Still have my maclaren but it is not flat lying so will need something to get baby through first 6 months and then revert to maclaren again.

scubastevie That is great information about the phil & teds pram. Is there a specific model you are describing?

Personally I like the old style rather than the new vibe. They have just brought out the new navigator which is in the old style but newer features if you see what I mean, can also have a carrycot on it if you like that style. See here
philandteds.com/uk/Products/Push/navigator

Not sure if link will work as in phone, but I think it's lovely :-) there is also a city one with smaller wheels but I kinda think that defeats the object of all terrain. Anyway I would usually get a good eBay one but since it is traditional for the mums mum and dad to buy first pram mum and dad have kindly said they would so it is the navigator for me!

thereisamum I've also enquired about NCt classes, no provision in my town so have to go up to Letchworth & local friends say they book up fast! Seems mad at 10 weeks to be looking! No other providers I can find locally for couples classes and DH is keen to attend.

thereis and Lexi I signed up for NCT early on with my last pg and they were understanding when I said I didn't want to pay and commit until after my scan. I haven't signed up yet this time though and will definitely wait until after my scan. They were sympathetic when I had to cancel.
scubastevie Thanks for that - sounds perfect.

For those who have been to the antenatal classes - are they worth it??
I wasn't going to book on as I'd have to go in York, my oh won't be around do I'd be alone but also I'm not having the baby in York do touring the maternity hospital would be pointless!! If there were some women only classes I might consider it but as things stand I thing my oh and I work well together when we just get on with it and figure things out along the way!!

Sorry for the typos... Autocorrect on the iPhone is a bit keen!!

I must be one of those 'mad' mums who have loads of prams scubastevie. I wouldn't have it any other way though. I love prams! Picking the right one for the right day is a bit like picking the right handbag for the right occasion.... I've never heard any criticism of P&T, except they are heavy when you have two in them. Having tried them both out in the shop, the downside of the P&T Navigator is the seats are a bit smaller than the Vibe so not so good if you need to accommodate two children and one is a bit older.

NCT classes are great for meeting friends. Didn't really find the information that useful but the friendship group has been a brilliant source of support (and giggles!) Would love to do something similar this time. There are classes for second time parents round here but they do cost a bit. They also do 'speed bumps' (speed dating for pregnancy!) so might give that a go.

Driving down to London later so dh can go to the Olympics. I am in a bad mood. I really don't want to go

Opp did not mean to cause offence Em did not mean that you were mad but mad how much money gets spent on all different types of prams, they just cost so much! However I can see why people would want to change their mind or have things they hadn't considered...hell this is coming from me who is quite fickle and had 2 wedding dresses, 2 sets of bridesmaids dresses and two pairs of bridal shoes lol

Just quick msg as at work!
Jojo, don't think they even offer hospital tours at york even if you do the NHS antenatal course (unless it changed since I had DD...) all cos of infection control apparently.

Em, if you don't mind answering, where abouts in NY are you? I work for NYCC!

Nice new shiny thread and lots to catch up on!

Zoe- Very sorry to hear what you went through. There are many people in trusting professions and abuse this. Just makes me feel sick how he didn't do the full sentence yet the people who are affected have memories of this forever.

Sundae- Really sorry about your cat. Have a little ceremony and hope that will help with the grieving process.

Can't remember who had a DH panicking about money but my DH got a bit sweaty when he saw the price of baby wipes in the supermarket last night. Him panicking about money is making me feel insecure. You would think they would think about budgeting prior to agreeing to TTC. grrr.

Feeling much better today but now worrying that Im feeling better. Not feeling sick but very tired. My advice is to make sure you rest as much as you can when you feel like crap. I managed to put a load of washing, did the hoover and changed bedding. Got a bit of a shock when I saw blood on the sheets I thought it was me but thankfully not. Turns out DH hurt his leg whilst playing football last night and made a mess. DH + DC on the way looks like I have 2 baby's to care for come March.

Bit worried that I don't have a scan date yet. Will wait this week then call them next week.

I just want to say thank you to all you ladies who supported me when I was sooo sick and having trouble with work. You ladies are great!

Hi everyone

Wow so much to catch up on! I hope everyone is Ok and beginning to feel better/not so sick.

Zoey that is so shocking. You poor thing, no wonder you hate hospitals. I can't believe that happened.

Mrs R I hope your boys are being better behaved today. I find that when mine are driving me mad at home I just take them to the park and let them run. They can make as much noise as they like and the fresh air is good for us all. I am actually glad that I am going through the first trimester during the summer hols. Term times are manic with school runs and early starts so it's nice to take things a little easier in the holidays.

Flowery (i think it was you). You can call you local council and they will tell you which schools are in your catchement area. We live in a crazy part of London where there is a massive schools shortage and too many children. We didn't get allocated a school at all last year which was very stressful. Having to pay now which is annoying because there are 3 schools all rated "Ofsted Outstanding" within a 20 minute walk from here.

thereis Congratulations!! I hope all is well.

JoJo vomiting blood sounds horrible. I hope today is better for you.

NCT classes - I did these with ds1 and they were great. I met a lovely bunch of girls and we are still in touch 6 years later. I thought that the info given was slightly scaremongering (epiduarals can lead to drug habits in later life etc..) but I think it's a brilliant way of meeting people in the exact same situation as you. I also did pregnancy yoga with ds1 & 2 and met some lovely people through that too.

Buggies - I have had a few! I bought a Bugaboo Cameleon for ds1 which is now 6 years old and still brilliant. I also had a small Maclaren which I hated, then a Phil & Teds Vibe when ds2 was born. I loved it for the newborn/toddler phase but hated it when he grew out of the cocoon and so sold it. I found it really hard and heavy to push and the child that goes underneath always looks really squashed I think. I then bought a double Out 'n' About for ds3 (ds2 was only 22 months) which I loved. It's so easy to push (even one handed), lightweight and the boys were always really comfy in it. I stupidly sold it a few months ago thinking we would have a bigger gap this time! I have a baby jogger city mini which I keep in the car and I love that too. Really comfy seat, folds flat. Fabulous hood which negates the need for a sun shade and the fold is amazing. You can do it one handed. I think I am going to buy the double version of that this time.

Well I am another one with a lack of symptoms. Sickness as more or less gone which is nice but also worries me at the same time! It's crazy because I didn't even feel sick with two of my pregnancies but I worry it's a bad sign! The smell of cooking garlic turns my stomach though! I am slightly tired and still going to bed earlier but I do think that the Floradix is helping that. I am already getting slight pgp which doesn't bode well! It's usually after I have been sitting on the floor for a while. I could barely walk by the end of my ds3 pregnancy and really hope it doesn't happen again. Only 9 days until my scan!

Sorry for typing such an essay!

Have a good day all.

Hi all, finally caught up.

Same as em we did NCT classes which was great for meeting other parents to be although most of the information was stuff you could find out from a good book.

We have Phil and teds too. Love it. Got it second hand from eBay. Only downside is it's quite big and heavy, but great other than that and really versatile.

Started on the floradix yesterday and feel marginally better.also been going to bed at 9ish and think that's made a difference too.

Sorry I am so crap at name checking; it's not easy on this phone, however tinker have to say your posts always make mr chuckle!

Or me even...

I signed up to keep informed about NCT classes and was a bit surprised to be asked to pay up already, can you hold off paying them until after 12 weeks?
All your talk about prams is really useful, we're very lucky in that DH's parents have offered to buy us a pram (they've done it for all their grandchildren) so any recommendations are gratefully received as I know nothing! My friends have a bugaboo chameleon which seemed really good but some reviews said they were a bit flimsy? I've also heard great things about the Uppababy Vista. Obv I'm looking at secondhand as its not my intention to bankrupt my in laws, is it only car seats you shouldn't get secondhand?

Epidurals lead to drug use?! For Mum or baby? I know they increase chance of intervention but that stat sounds ridiculous I've heard very mixed things so am a bit nervous of NCT, some friends loved it, some have felt almost bullied about pain relief, bfeeding, etc. think the main reason to join seems to be to meet other mums on the area!

Hello all! Still around, just v. busy.

So sorry to hear of all going through tough times at the moment. Sympathies and thoughts with you all.

Re NCT classes, I didn't go to any last time as they were too far away to be useful, but the NHS ones were USELESS! We weren't taught the first thing about breathing techniques, were basically told that pain relief would only be available between certain hours (other than G and A which I was never offered eventually anyway) and that we should expect to labour for days, panic during transition and suffer lots. Oh yes, and not to bother phoning them until contractions were every 3-4 minutes. After that, birth seemed like a doddle, or perhaps that's what they were trying to achieve!

tiddley is the class joker, manda is the class genius (although I suspect there may be more), and can I lay claim to being the class clutz who suffers random non-serious accidents? As if ds attacking the bump at regular intervals wasn't bad enough, last night, dh accidentally threw a bible at it (I kid you not!). It hurt like crazy, especially as he hit one of the fibroids and those books are jolly heavy! No pains today though so all is fine.