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We will BROOK NO ARGUMENT on having serene, pain free, uncomplicated pregnancies and sneeze births! Vol 8

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ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 02/03/2012 10:49

Hello ladies! I can't wait to see how many No Brooking babies arrive during the course of this thread!! Do you realise we have now filled SEVEN threads (and that's just the graduates!) That's 7000 posts and counting!

Let's all get settled in for some serious No Brooking, we have a lot of painless sneeze births to get through over the next couple of weeks!

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fishcakefoxtrot · 08/03/2012 10:43

Hello, good lord it takes a long time to catch up! I get to the end and then by the time I log on you've all shot forward 5 pages again. There'll be no trouble keeping up a thread per baby at this rate, even between mine and dream's consectutive sections!

Too I had the same sleep problems after my steriod injection. I ended up getting up at 5am to work. I felt weirdly alert, almost twitchy. The second one was fine but, of course, you are going to be far to excited Grin
Did you say you thought you were first on the list? I would recommend having a big snack at about midnight- or around 12 hours before you are due to go in. There were a couple of emergencies on the day I had mine which pushed mine back a bit. I was already in hospital and the midwives had brought me a massive heap of toast at midnight the night before, which I was hugely grateful for as I was starving by about 11am!
I am feeling very excited for you Grin

Biscuits when do you have to make your cs/vb decision by? Sorry if you have already made it and I have managed to miss that bit. What a decision to make at this stage! It is so hard to try and weigh up the long term consequences when there are so many unknowns. I read your thread in Pregnancy and fwiw my mum had really difficult deliveries (she really should have had CS, a bit like Pomme's mum by the sound of it) and has had continence and back problems ever since, despite having a fairly early hysterectomy which was meant to help. But on the other hand she is still very pro VB because of the short-term recovery time! Maybe it is a mum thing- the feeling that we have to just get up and get on with it, no matter what.

On the other hand, I have been somewhat obsessively asking people I know who have had ELCS about their recovery time, because of things like picking up DD, and the couple of people I know who have had ELCS because of difficult VBs have both said that the recovery time from the CS has been much faster. Oh for a crystal ball...

Scream I am so sorry to hear about you having to go back to your awful consultant. I would definitely contact the Supervisor of Midwives and see if you can get another consultant, or at least see another one for a second opinion. Is she a consultant or a registrar? If she is a registrar perhaps you could see the consultant above her?

Feeling like you are not being listened to is the worst thing and your consultant just sounds so arrogant. As does your hospital, with its notices about the NICE guidelines- it sounds like they are basically saying they won't take any notice of them! There were a few threads a while back by posters supporting each other to request an ELCS following a difficult VB. If you haven't come accross them already it might be worth searching for them as they seemed to have tips for approaching consultants.

Dream I am quite worried about the lifting/ carrying too. DD is a year older than your DD but she still likes to be picked up and because she is still tiddly (only about 24lbs!) I do pick her up quite a bit as it is often just easier. Also, because she is small there are still quite a few things that she needs help to do. eg she can climb into her highchair, but needs a hand jumping down. I am really hoping that after about 3 weeks I will be feeling robust enough as this is when DH starts his new job and we will have moved to a whole new place so I will have no one around. We will need to be getting out because otherwise I will go potty.
Can your DH change his work hours a bit so he is at least there to get her up and dressed in the morning?

Jaggy might the bruised fanjo feeling be a bit of SPD? Or maybe just the baby in a strange position? Hope it feels better soon.

Hello to everyone else. Hope everyone is doing ok and that Purple is gearing up for a weekend sneeze birth.

PurpleWithaBlueBun · 08/03/2012 11:10

Dream one of the ladies who helps the people in a role I do her Grandchildren moved away and so she does what she does so that she gets to spend time with children as she misses her grand children so much, and she is wonderful! The kids all love her and she is not a bit judgemental, despite being 'older'.

I hit a complete block recently with sleeping like you, couldn't get comfy at all, to the point where I just felt like crying rather than go to bed, because it would just hurt no matter what I did and I wouldn't sleep much anyway. So I took painkillers before bed, started drinking the tonic water with quinine in for cramp and dead legs and it has got better for me. The tonic water has really helped for all leg cramp sufferers!

Jaggy bruised fanjo sounds like the start of spd or could just be your pelvis adjusting.

Too I am slightly traumatised by why I was up lets just say, it involved a full bed clothes change and DH on the sofa for the rest of the night! Oh and he is off work today, really poorly.

Fishcake your Dd sounds like mine in the titchy stakes!

Imps7 · 08/03/2012 11:34
fishcakefoxtrot · 08/03/2012 11:37

Don't forget the creme eggs imps Grin

Oh dear purple it wounds like a rather traumatic night. Hope you too are able to get some rest today.

PurpleWithaBlueBun · 08/03/2012 11:51

I slept in til 10.30! I feel completely out of whack, I am grazing breakfasty stuff flapjack and usually I would be about to eat lunch and I feel like it is 9am not nearly 12! Very strange.

Also, Dd is snuggled with Dh on the sofa, so I am not getting my Dd cuddles! Shock Not fair!

Biscuitsandtea · 08/03/2012 11:52
ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 08/03/2012 13:05

Thanks for all the support everyone, I can't tell you how much it means to me! I'm feeling much more my usual self today, and my leg seems to have calmed down a little after a whole day of literally not leaving the bed except to go to the bathroom! My goal is to take it easy today still, and get to the end of the day without taking anymore codeine!

I agree with everything everyone has said about second opinions and changing consultants. The evil consultant I'm seeing on Tues is my official consultant, and I don't think I can go around her without at least seeing her once more and getting a direct refusal from her. It's my intention to ask her directly, at the end of the appointment, to refer my care officially to the other consultant in the main hospital for a second opinon. I assume she can't really say no to that, and even if she did I would just ignore her and contact the other consultant myself and let him know that I'm seeking a second opinion. Also my indep mw has confirmed that she is avail on Tues so she will be accompanying DH and I to the appt, which is really encouraging!

Dream I'm sorry I didn't contribute to the picking up discussion yesterday, that does sound really stressful! However seeing as you're already super Mum, looking after your poorly DD on zero sleep whilst carrying TWO active little boys, I'm certain you're going to be fine after the op! Some people recover really quickly from elcs. Plus your DD adores you and once she sees that you're having difficulty bending she might understand the need to do more things herself. Whatever happens, between your hired help, family support and DH you will be FINE! Us No Brookers laugh in the face of issues that would phase lesser women!

Too I hope your appt went well and the injection was a breeze. Ooooo if you're first tomorrow you could be snuggled up in a recovery room enjoying skin-to-skin with your gorgeous DD by this time tomorrow!! This is soooooooooo exciting!!!

Purple that sounds like an eventful night!! Fingers crossed a day of rest is exactly what your DH needs, and he'll be fine by tomorrow. Just in time to support you through your sneeze birth!

Jaggy I have to say that feeling as though someone with a steel capped boot has just walked up to you and kicked you in the crotch, pretty much describes the SPD feeling I have in at the front of my pelvis. However always mention your specific symptoms to your mw and maybe it's something else. Even if it is SPD if it's mild and just starting out there's lots you can do to offset the problem (keep your knees together as much as possible by various means including minimising the use of stairs, also try make sure you're using your legs as symmetrically as possible - my physio said my old habit of putting all my weight on one leg and slightly bending the other knee whenever I'm standing around waiting is one of the worst things I could do for my SPD because of the uneven weight distribution.)

Scarlet I hope your DS starts to feel better today. Poor little man. Poor you as well! No Brooking for a rapid improvement!

After all the general faffing and procrastination my DH finally sorted out most of the nursery last night Grin He knows it's something I've wanted for ages and I was feeling pretty rubbish yday so he finally got his ass in gear and whizzed around finishing stuff off! We now have our shelves up, the cot assembled and all the various junk out! Today we're going to actually take all our new baby stuff out of bags and boxes and set it all out ready to go. We'll have a fully functioning nursery shortly! Very excited! The newborn clothing we bought has been washed and dried now as well, and somehow it seems even smaller than it did in the shop! Well it seemed tiny until I put one of the sleepsuits on top of my bump and tried to imagine a baby that size being INSIDE me!! Eeek!

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ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 08/03/2012 13:11

Wow that's a mammoth post! Blush Sorry ladies, there was a lot to catch up on!

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ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 08/03/2012 13:15

Oh and Jaggy whatever is causing your sore fanjo one thing that might help is putting something cold on the sore spot. I have one of those gel pack thingies, that I keep in the freezer. When I hold the cold gel pack against the sore area it really helps to numb it! (It is also a source of endless amusement for DH watching me sit around holding a gel pack to my fanjo!)

*Hee hee hee, I have to giggle whenever that word is used!

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Biscuitsandtea · 08/03/2012 13:27

Jaggy - on the bruised fanjo front (as it were Hmm), I've felt a bit sore down there but more in a sort of swollen way? I haven't really had any SPD type pain, so if that feels more like bruising then it might be that, but I just thought I'd put another idea in the mix Smile.

When I mentioned it, others said they'd had the same thing and I think varicose veins in that general region may have been to blame. I'll never know what mine was as I never looked (too scaredy cat!) but whether or not it was VVs I think it all came from just the amount of extra pressure down there. SadBlush.

Deffo worth mentioning to the mw though?

ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 08/03/2012 14:17

Biscuits I totally agree that Jaggy's sore fanjo hee hee might not be SPD. I would say though that "SPD type pain" IS a bruised feeling. In fact when I first developed the pain at the tops of my inner thighs in addition to the sore fanjo I thought it was varicose veins until the physio explained that it was SPD. It feels like a hot swollen bruise, which kind of throbs a little. However that doesn't mean Jaggy necessarily has SPD! Just that I think it would feel the same either way.

Oooooo!!!!!! Interesting development!! So the nice consultant at the main hospital has obviously done some digging around, and even though there's only one (evil) consultant at my antenatal hospital, her antenatal clinic is technically under the supervision of a different consultant back at the main hospital! (Am I making any sense? Consultant A = evil, Consultant B = head of dept at my birth hospital / guy I wrote the letter to, Consultant C = person officially in charge of consultant A although based at the birth hospital). So it turns out consultant B has referred my letter to consultant C (NOT evil consultant A) and consultant C just rang me! She said she's read my letter and the physio letter, and she's going to come in to the antenatal clinic next Tues and take my scheduled appt herself so that we can discuss the issues and come to an agreement!! I cannot tell you how excited I am!! I'm so pleased she's taken the time to read the letter and also called me just to let me know!! I feel so much more at ease now! It doesn't mean she'll automatically say yes or anything, but I feel as though she's open to a real discussion and hasn't necessarily made her mind up already like the evil consultant!

Woohoo!! Grin

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fishcakefoxtrot · 08/03/2012 14:31

Scream that is great news! Fingers crossed that this is the start of a proper dialogue between you and the new consultant! She must think it's important if she is taking your appointment herself. V good sign, I think.

Biscuitsandtea · 08/03/2012 14:32

Scream I think I meant to say (but not v clearly) was that if SPD feels like bruising then that might be what Jaggy has, but I'd had a sort of swollen thing (rather than bruising) which wasn't SPD iyswim. But re-reading my post I think I've made it sound wrong Confused.

There, that's not confusing at all is it GrinConfused

Either way I hope the nastiness buggers right off Jaggy Smile

And YAY YAY YAY for Consultant C Scream. That is awesome news. And good that you get to speak to the organ grinder rather than the monkey Grin. How nice of them to call and explain it too - am brooking so hard that this will all be resolved in Tuesday. What time is your appt so we can all concentrate our mega brooking powers?

fishcakefoxtrot · 08/03/2012 14:37

Scream I meant to add to the DVT injection chat- I had them too and they were really not that bad. I had them in each hip and each arm, and then must have gone back to the first site for the 5th one. I was still taking plenty of painkillers at that point so not too sore, plus I couldn't see them going in! Am slightly in awe of pomme self administering 2 a day though... you must have nerves of steel!

TooImmatureTurtleDoves · 08/03/2012 16:01

Scream, that's brilliant! Yay for Consultant C! So pleased she's taking you seriously and really giving you the best care. I was going to add that my experience of the chain of command in hospitals is that MWs are a law unto themselves; consultants are a law unto themselves; and never the twain shall meet. For example, at my complaint meeting in January we wound up seeing the Senior Midwife and the Senior Obstetric Consultant, because the MWs have one chain of command and the consultants have another. So even though the Senior Consultant was called Head of XX Maternity Unit, she was only in charge of the obstetricians. Confused This was very hard to get our heads around in the early days, not helped by the Senior MW being off on holiday for 3 weeks and no one else being willing to take any responsibility in her absence. So the head MW may not be able to help you - it may have to be a chief consultant of some sort.

So, I had my blood tests, second injection and signed my consent form this morning! On the DVT/Fragmin jabs - I'll get them when I'm in the hospital only, I won't have to self-administer like Pomme. I think that's got to do with risk factors - I haven't got any DVT risk factors, and they won't discharge me until they're satisfied I'm going to be okay. Really glad I don't have to try injecting myself! I'm usually not too squeamish but that might be a step too far for me.

Then we headed to the big shopping centre near the hospital and I nearly passed out outside Mothercare. I've never been so close to fainting in my life - couldn't really see, head swimming, barely able to sit on a bench without falling off. DH ran into Boots to buy me some water and I wasn't sure I was going to be able to keep myself upright until he came back. He said I was greeny-white and it took quite a long time before I felt capable of getting up and walking to the car. However, Bean was hopping around quite happily during all of this, and I felt much better once we got outside into the fresh air, so I decided not to go back to the hospital. Have had 2 cups of tea and a Mars Bar since and feel a lot better. I don't know whether it was the injection or just being a bit hot and bothered while shopping. We'd started off by having paninis in Costa, so I had eaten, but then wandered around the shopping centre being frustrated - tried to buy a new phone and they wanted proof of address, which I didn't have on me; went to M&S for maternity nighties and was told they didn't do maternity; went to Next and was told the same thing; went to Mothercare and eventually got nighties there. All in all we probably walked around for a good hour, even though it didn't feel like that much at the time, and I was hot.

Fishcake and Dream, I hope you solve the lifting dilemma. Dream, hope this woman turns out to be a goodie! Surely it would be too early for controlled crying for a good while yet, and also, surely she has to do what you say?

Oh no, Purple, that does sound traumatic! FX DH gets better really soon, in time for your weekend sneeze birth.

Fishcake, I am definitely first on the list tomorrow, emergencies aside, and shall be following your good advice regarding toast before midnight. I've been given Ranitidine to take before bed, too, which I hope helps me to sleep by removing the heartburn from the equation. I've still to pack my bags - one for me and one for Bean, and shave my bikini line and my legs, which haven't been shaved in about 3 weeks Blush. I've been told no jewellery, make up or nail varnish - does that mean my wedding and engagement rings have to come off? It still really doesn't feel real!

jaggythistle · 08/03/2012 16:19

thanks all for the fanjo concern!

will try to get on to catch up and reply once DS is in bed...

Biscuitsandtea · 08/03/2012 16:22

Too - glad today is done jab wise etc (although hope you're feeling better after your shopping trip drama!)

Sounds like a really good job DH was with you. Good luck with packing your bag etc - will be brooking like a loon for you :)

fishcakefoxtrot · 08/03/2012 16:44

Too sounds like you are all set! The steriods definitely made me hot and bothered and, of course, I was a lot less pregnant than you are now so I imagine a combination of the two could make you pretty woozy, especially as you hadn't really slept last night. Glad you are feeling better and hope you get some sleep tonight!!

DreamingOfPeace · 08/03/2012 16:55

My fanjo feels really swollen and bruised every time I stand up jaggy but tis varicose veins and swelling for me. Sad

I just had my 34 week growth scan. Twin 2 has slowed down so i have to have a doppler to check placental flow to both babies and consultant appt next week. They have both grown, but the one who was 4lb 2 last time is 4lb 8 and the one who was 3lb 15 last time is 4lb10 and still following the curve where the other one had dropped down iykwim. Probably nothing but as placental failing and therefore stillbirth is a fear of mine it makes me a little anxious.

Great news scream. I really don't think you'll have a problem getting your CS :-)

Anyway, in car on way home, will be back later.

pommedechocolat · 08/03/2012 16:59

too - sounds like low blood pressure maybe? Glad you're feeling better. Good luck for tomorrow update us as soon as you can. I will save some haribo for you for Friday night when you join hawthers and I on the night shift!

ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 08/03/2012 17:10

Too sorry you had such a stressful shopping trip. Well done to your DH for taking such good care of you. Just think, whether it was the injection or just general pg tiredness which caused the wooziness - either way it's all over tomorrow! Sounds like you're all set now!! So exciting! So what did the doc say when you explained you'll be taking your phone into the op theatre with you to give us stitch-by-stitch updates? Wink Oh? Did that question not come up? How strange... Grin

On a more serious note, we will all be No Brooking our hinnies off for you tomorrow - what time is your official appt (barring emergencies)? Soooooooo exciting!

Purple how is your DH doing now? Hope he's starting to feel the benefits of having stayed home today.

Jaggy your sore fanjo is no match for the combined advice of multiple No Brookers Hmm Hee hee. Hope you feel less sore soon.

Biscuits how is your bump doing today? Any signs you might be joining Purple for a sneeze birth this weekend? My appt on Tues is at 2.20 so any No Brooking at that time would be gratefully received!

Fishcake and Too thanks for the DVT injections info. From reading other threads I had thought that there might be alternative anti-DVT strategies but it sounds like the injections are pretty universal so if I do manage to get a elcs I think it will just be a question of sucking it up for me! However you guys are all super brave and I'm hoping that will rub off on me! Kudos to Pomme for the self-administration!!

Our nursery is now completely unpacked and ready to go!! Grin Plus all the nice soft clean new baby clothes are now folded up in the baby's hospital bag. (I'm quite impressed with the pacapod! I've managed to fit 6 sets of newborn sleepsuits & vests, plus 3 sets of 0-3 mth clothing, plus 15 nappies and associated nappy-type stuff, AND a whole bunch of muslins and other things in the bag!! It does look like it might burst at any minute tho...) Super pysched to have the nursery set up though, it's lovely to focus on the fun side of this pg malarky for a bit! (Although I still feel a little nervous having all this stuff in the house BEFORE the baby.)

p.s. I was just about to hit post when I got a text from consultant B! He was just texting to let me know that he had referred the letter to consultant C and to make sure that she had called me! He seems so lovely!!! I can't believe he even has time to follow up like this on someone who's not technically his patient!

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ScreamIfYouWantToGoFaster · 08/03/2012 17:17

Dream I'm glad both your boys have grown, and we will all be doing some concentrated No Brooking that the tests next week show there's nothing whatsoever up with the placenta and both boys will carry on cooking nicely until your elcs date! It's great that they're keeping an eye on you and checking everything out. Try not to worry my lovely if only it was so easy! you're on the home strertch now and you'll have both boys with you soon!

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Biscuitsandtea · 08/03/2012 17:40

Dream - I just wanted to echo what Scream said. She's put it so eloquently I'll just chime in with that Smile

Scream how exciting about everything all being sorted out and washed etc Smile

Biscuitsandtea · 08/03/2012 18:05

OMG

I think my waters have gone

[Shock]

jenfraggle · 08/03/2012 18:06

Biscuits!!!!