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Gingerbreadlatte · 22/02/2012 17:30

Hello
I had a bfp yesterday. Due 1st Nov. Anyone else due in Nov yet ?

It's dc 2 for me!

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shinyblackgrape · 18/03/2012 21:47

GTBaby [29] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
GingerBL [34] DC2 EDD 01/11/12
Belgrano DC3 EDD 01/11/12
Howiwonder DC2 01/11/12
Wellieboots DC1 01/11/12
LittleLolly [28] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
Hellobear[33] DC2 EDD 02/11/12
Little9 [38] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
Wifey6 EDD 02/11/12
Tomatoplantproject [34] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
PetiteRaleuse [32] DC2 EDD 02/11/2012
CrazyKat [24] DC4 EDD 02/11/2012
Horseylady [30] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
AbsToni [29] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Cacacaz (29) DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Tiago [28] DC1 EDD 05/11/12
Booboomonster [37] DC3 EDD 05/11/12
ValiumQueen [43] DC2 EDD 05/11/12
IHeartpasties [31] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
TheDetective (27) DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Haywire [38] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Peaky1 [32] DC1 EDD 06/11/12
Sam86 DC3 EDD 06/11/12
pipsicles (28) DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Schroedingersdodo DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Cherryjam [31] DC2 EDD 07/11/12
ENSMUM DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Blonderthanred [35] DC1 EDD 08/11/12
OMGBFP [38] DC3 for me DC1 for DP EDD 09/11/12
Gardenpixies(33) DC1 EDD 10/11/12
StuntNun [35] DC3 EDD 10/11/12
YellowWellies [32] DC1 EDD 10/11/12
ShushBaby [31] DC2 EDD 11/11/12
Onamission [28] DC1 EDD 12/11/12
Donnadoon [32] DC4 EDD 12/11/12
Elizadoesdolittle [37] DC2 EDD 12/11/12
Desperatehousewife [21] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
justonemorecake [28] DC1 EDD 14/11/12
Ellesabe [29] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
Evilwater EDD 15/11/12
GreenDragonfly DC4 EDD 15/11/12
Bimbledorf [32] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
TitsalinaBumSquash [25] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
Sooty [34] DC2 EDD 18/11/12
WaitingForMe [29] DC1 for me DC3 for DH EDD 19/11/12
Superpenguin [32] DC2 EDD 19/11/12
Funthatisfunny [32] DC2 EDD 20/11/12
applepieinthesky (25) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
Misslaughalot (35) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
FruitSaladIsNotPudding (31) EDD 22/11/12
Magicrabbit (38) DC2 EDD 22/11/12
Shinyblackgrape (34) DC1 EDD 25/11/12

chickenspots · 18/03/2012 21:59

splashed out on a First Response as the cheapies were doing my head in and it's a BFP for chickenspots! It's all slowly sinking in. DH is chuffed to bits and I am a bit more hesitant but overall quite excited! 3 children wasn't really part of the masterplan.....

GTBaby [29] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
GingerBL [34] DC2 EDD 01/11/12
Belgrano DC3 EDD 01/11/12
Howiwonder DC2 01/11/12
Wellieboots DC1 01/11/12
LittleLolly [28] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
Hellobear[33] DC2 EDD 02/11/12
Little9 [38] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
Wifey6 EDD 02/11/12
Tomatoplantproject [34] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
PetiteRaleuse [32] DC2 EDD 02/11/2012
CrazyKat [24] DC4 EDD 02/11/2012
Horseylady [30] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
AbsToni [29] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Cacacaz (29) DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Tiago [28] DC1 EDD 05/11/12
Booboomonster [37] DC3 EDD 05/11/12
ValiumQueen [43] DC2 EDD 05/11/12
IHeartpasties [31] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
TheDetective (27) DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Haywire [38] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Peaky1 [32] DC1 EDD 06/11/12
Sam86 DC3 EDD 06/11/12
pipsicles (28) DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Schroedingersdodo DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Cherryjam [31] DC2 EDD 07/11/12
ENSMUM DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Blonderthanred [35] DC1 EDD 08/11/12
OMGBFP [38] DC3 for me DC1 for DP EDD 09/11/12
Gardenpixies(33) DC1 EDD 10/11/12
StuntNun [35] DC3 EDD 10/11/12
YellowWellies [32] DC1 EDD 10/11/12
ShushBaby [31] DC2 EDD 11/11/12
Onamission [28] DC1 EDD 12/11/12
Donnadoon [32] DC4 EDD 12/11/12
Elizadoesdolittle [37] DC2 EDD 12/11/12
Desperatehousewife [21] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
justonemorecake [28] DC1 EDD 14/11/12
Ellesabe [29] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
Evilwater EDD 15/11/12
GreenDragonfly DC4 EDD 15/11/12
Bimbledorf [32] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
TitsalinaBumSquash [25] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
Sooty [34] DC2 EDD 18/11/12
WaitingForMe [29] DC1 for me DC3 for DH EDD 19/11/12
Superpenguin [32] DC2 EDD 19/11/12
Funthatisfunny [32] DC2 EDD 20/11/12
applepieinthesky (25) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
Misslaughalot (35) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
FruitSaladIsNotPudding (31) EDD 22/11/12
Magicrabbit (38) DC2 EDD 22/11/12
Shinyblackgrape (34) DC1 EDD 25/11/12
Chickenspots (38) DC3 EDD 25/11/12

DesperateHousewife21 · 18/03/2012 22:04

Welcome newcomers, this thread is getting so big now! Can't believe how many mums up and down the country will have tiny newborns this nov :)

ConfusedMumDotCom · 18/03/2012 22:12

Would someone be kind enough to add me to the list as I can't do it on my phone.

Confusedmumdotcom [36] DC2 EDD23/11/12

Thank you! Smile

blonderthanred · 18/03/2012 22:13

Wow, so many November babies. I did another cheap test this morning and still very dark line, hurrah. First midwife appt in the morning, it's been scheduled at the birthing centre rather than the hospital, which I'd really like to go to but thought I was too fat for (am a little over their max BMI). I've been told the appt can take a couple of hours but it doesn't specify in the letter - any ideas? Not quite sure what happens apart from lots of questions & urine/blood/BP, anyone know if there is a physical exam?

Lovely DH gave me a nice card today and we had a really nice day with my family. Thinking of all those who have lost mums or are struggling to conceive as this day must be so hard.

chickenspots · 18/03/2012 22:14

added you in confusedmumdotcom

GTBaby [29] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
GingerBL [34] DC2 EDD 01/11/12
Belgrano DC3 EDD 01/11/12
Howiwonder DC2 01/11/12
Wellieboots DC1 01/11/12
LittleLolly [28] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
Hellobear[33] DC2 EDD 02/11/12
Little9 [38] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
Wifey6 EDD 02/11/12
Tomatoplantproject [34] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
PetiteRaleuse [32] DC2 EDD 02/11/2012
CrazyKat [24] DC4 EDD 02/11/2012
Horseylady [30] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
AbsToni [29] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Cacacaz (29) DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Tiago [28] DC1 EDD 05/11/12
Booboomonster [37] DC3 EDD 05/11/12
ValiumQueen [43] DC2 EDD 05/11/12
IHeartpasties [31] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
TheDetective (27) DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Haywire [38] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Peaky1 [32] DC1 EDD 06/11/12
Sam86 DC3 EDD 06/11/12
pipsicles (28) DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Schroedingersdodo DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Cherryjam [31] DC2 EDD 07/11/12
ENSMUM DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Blonderthanred [35] DC1 EDD 08/11/12
OMGBFP [38] DC3 for me DC1 for DP EDD 09/11/12
Gardenpixies(33) DC1 EDD 10/11/12
StuntNun [35] DC3 EDD 10/11/12
YellowWellies [32] DC1 EDD 10/11/12
ShushBaby [31] DC2 EDD 11/11/12
Onamission [28] DC1 EDD 12/11/12
Donnadoon [32] DC4 EDD 12/11/12
Elizadoesdolittle [37] DC2 EDD 12/11/12
Desperatehousewife [21] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
justonemorecake [28] DC1 EDD 14/11/12
Ellesabe [29] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
Evilwater EDD 15/11/12
GreenDragonfly DC4 EDD 15/11/12
Bimbledorf [32] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
TitsalinaBumSquash [25] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
Sooty [34] DC2 EDD 18/11/12
WaitingForMe [29] DC1 for me DC3 for DH EDD 19/11/12
Superpenguin [32] DC2 EDD 19/11/12
Funthatisfunny [32] DC2 EDD 20/11/12
applepieinthesky (25) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
Misslaughalot (35) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
FruitSaladIsNotPudding (31) EDD 22/11/12
Confusedmumdotcom [36] DC2 EDD23/11/12
Magicrabbit (38) DC2 EDD 22/11/12
Shinyblackgrape (34) DC1 EDD 25/11/12

chickenspots · 18/03/2012 22:15

oops missed myself off though

GTBaby [29] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
GingerBL [34] DC2 EDD 01/11/12
Belgrano DC3 EDD 01/11/12
Howiwonder DC2 01/11/12
Wellieboots DC1 01/11/12
LittleLolly [28] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
Hellobear[33] DC2 EDD 02/11/12
Little9 [38] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
Wifey6 EDD 02/11/12
Tomatoplantproject [34] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
PetiteRaleuse [32] DC2 EDD 02/11/2012
CrazyKat [24] DC4 EDD 02/11/2012
Horseylady [30] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
AbsToni [29] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Cacacaz (29) DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Tiago [28] DC1 EDD 05/11/12
Booboomonster [37] DC3 EDD 05/11/12
ValiumQueen [43] DC2 EDD 05/11/12
IHeartpasties [31] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
TheDetective (27) DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Haywire [38] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Peaky1 [32] DC1 EDD 06/11/12
Sam86 DC3 EDD 06/11/12
pipsicles (28) DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Schroedingersdodo DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Cherryjam [31] DC2 EDD 07/11/12
ENSMUM DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Blonderthanred [35] DC1 EDD 08/11/12
OMGBFP [38] DC3 for me DC1 for DP EDD 09/11/12
Gardenpixies(33) DC1 EDD 10/11/12
StuntNun [35] DC3 EDD 10/11/12
YellowWellies [32] DC1 EDD 10/11/12
ShushBaby [31] DC2 EDD 11/11/12
Onamission [28] DC1 EDD 12/11/12
Donnadoon [32] DC4 EDD 12/11/12
Elizadoesdolittle [37] DC2 EDD 12/11/12
Desperatehousewife [21] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
justonemorecake [28] DC1 EDD 14/11/12
Ellesabe [29] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
Evilwater EDD 15/11/12
GreenDragonfly DC4 EDD 15/11/12
Bimbledorf [32] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
TitsalinaBumSquash [25] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
Sooty [34] DC2 EDD 18/11/12
WaitingForMe [29] DC1 for me DC3 for DH EDD 19/11/12
Superpenguin [32] DC2 EDD 19/11/12
Funthatisfunny [32] DC2 EDD 20/11/12
applepieinthesky (25) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
Misslaughalot (35) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
FruitSaladIsNotPudding (31) EDD 22/11/12
Confusedmumdotcom [36] DC2 EDD23/11/12
Magicrabbit (38) DC2 EDD 22/11/12
Shinyblackgrape (34) DC1 EDD 25/11/12
chickenspots (38) DC3 25/11/12

Iheartpasties · 18/03/2012 22:30

hello to all of the newbies, it's exciting for us all when new women find this thread and the list gets longer and longer! Just add yourself to the list when you get a chance!

Has anyone else found that they have more ear wax?? I know, that is such a gross question but I seem to have loads of ear wax at the moment, and I had loads when I was pregnant the first time as well. Yuck!!

I am so exhausted I feel like I am moving around in treacle all of the time. I can't wait to get through this phase and get some of my energy back.

It was a lovely weekend here (Sydney) it's not mothers day here until May, but it was my dd first birthday! I was so emotional. It was wonderful to think back to her birth and to celebrate her turning one. She has so much energy and she is such a rascal. I think she had fun.

Someoen asked about the booking in appointment. I think they just ask you loads of questions etc

good luck to everyone this week and I hope that the sickness doesn't get too bad for anyone this week.

Peaky1 · 18/03/2012 23:02

I'm sorry but I couldn't help but LOL at your rather technical nightmarish vomming session Detective. Now THAT'S a woman who can multitask!

OMGBFP · 19/03/2012 00:00

fun she didn't believe me, I had to send a picture of me holding tests up!! it's really strange yes, finding that the hardest to get my head around to be honest. Also feel a little guilty at not being sick at all so far (ok am only 6+2!) when she's been really suffering. They have their 20 week scan on April 2nd and should be finding out the sex :)

Hello yet more newbies, good to see a few more ladies my age ;) not looking forward to seeing the word elderly on my notes!

What's this about BMI dictating where you can give birth? I'm over 30 not sure whereabouts, maybe even upto 35 I suppose?

WaitingForMe · 19/03/2012 06:55

Can I ask a stupid question?

What does it mean when you give your pregnancy in weeks with a +? Like OMGBFP being 6+2.

DesperateHousewife21 · 19/03/2012 06:59

Birthing centres will only let you have a baby there is you're completely low risk which includes a healthy bmi (I guess being over weight or underweight can cause complications)

My closest birth place is a birthing centre but we go 5 mins further up the road to the hospital, it's not as nice but I know I'm in safe hands.
In hindsight with ds I could have gone to the birthing centre, I had him in 7 hours just gas and air but obv didn't know that at the time!

My friend is testing this morning eeee! Can't wait to hear, she said she feels different and not like she's going to come on so that's v promising!

DesperateHousewife21 · 19/03/2012 07:00

6+2 means 6 weeks and 2 days preg. Midwives will use this all through your preg in your notes too.

NervousAt20 · 19/03/2012 07:06

GTBaby [29] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
GingerBL [34] DC2 EDD 01/11/12
Belgrano DC3 EDD 01/11/12
Howiwonder DC2 01/11/12
Wellieboots DC1 01/11/12
LittleLolly [28] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
Hellobear[33] DC2 EDD 02/11/12
Little9 [38] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
Wifey6 EDD 02/11/12
Tomatoplantproject [34] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
PetiteRaleuse [32] DC2 EDD 02/11/2012
CrazyKat [24] DC4 EDD 02/11/2012
Horseylady [30] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
AbsToni [29] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Cacacaz (29) DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Tiago [28] DC1 EDD 05/11/12
Booboomonster [37] DC3 EDD 05/11/12
ValiumQueen [43] DC2 EDD 05/11/12
IHeartpasties [31] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
TheDetective (27) DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Haywire [38] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Peaky1 [32] DC1 EDD 06/11/12
Sam86 DC3 EDD 06/11/12
pipsicles (28) DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Schroedingersdodo DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Cherryjam [31] DC2 EDD 07/11/12
ENSMUM DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Blonderthanred [35] DC1 EDD 08/11/12
OMGBFP [38] DC3 for me DC1 for DP EDD 09/11/12
Gardenpixies(33) DC1 EDD 10/11/12
StuntNun [35] DC3 EDD 10/11/12
YellowWellies [32] DC1 EDD 10/11/12
ShushBaby [31] DC2 EDD 11/11/12
Onamission [28] DC1 EDD 12/11/12
Donnadoon [32] DC4 EDD 12/11/12
Elizadoesdolittle [37] DC2 EDD 12/11/12
NervousAt20 DC1 EDD 13/11/12
Desperatehousewife [21] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
justonemorecake [28] DC1 EDD 14/11/12
Ellesabe [29] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
Evilwater EDD 15/11/12
GreenDragonfly DC4 EDD 15/11/12
Bimbledorf [32] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
TitsalinaBumSquash [25] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
Sooty [34] DC2 EDD 18/11/12
WaitingForMe [29] DC1 for me DC3 for DH EDD 19/11/12
Superpenguin [32] DC2 EDD 19/11/12
Funthatisfunny [32] DC2 EDD 20/11/12
applepieinthesky (25) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
Misslaughalot (35) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
FruitSaladIsNotPudding (31) EDD 22/11/12
Magicrabbit (38) DC2 EDD 22/11/12

WaitingForMe · 19/03/2012 07:17

Thank you DesperateHousewife21. I thought it must be something simple but somewhere along the line my brain has melted Sad

NervousAt20 · 19/03/2012 07:20

I know its quite scarey to think in Nov I'll have a little newborn to care for! I am excited but petrified at the same time, how about you? X

Lilliana · 19/03/2012 07:25

Morning everyone!
The CBD has confirmed we are def pregnant Grin.

However I have had period/ov type cramps just in my right side. Most of yesterday and has continued this am - having mild panic attacks about ectopic pregnancy - has anyone else had this or know anything?

Also have been trying to look at what is happening with baby atm, they count in weeks and I think I am 4+6 today - so was looking in week 4 which was all about implantation which happened last week so am guessing I should be looking at week 5. Is this right? I can't get my head around the weeks at all which seems so stupid - I am a reasonably intelligent person, surely I can count weeks!

Lilliana · 19/03/2012 07:26

GTBaby [29] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
GingerBL [34] DC2 EDD 01/11/12
Belgrano DC3 EDD 01/11/12
Howiwonder DC2 01/11/12
Wellieboots DC1 01/11/12
LittleLolly [28] DC1 EDD 01/11/12
Hellobear[33] DC2 EDD 02/11/12
Little9 [38] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
Wifey6 EDD 02/11/12
Tomatoplantproject [34] DC1 EDD 02/11/12
PetiteRaleuse [32] DC2 EDD 02/11/2012
CrazyKat [24] DC4 EDD 02/11/2012
Horseylady [30] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
AbsToni [29] DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Cacacaz (29) DC1 EDD 04/11/12
Tiago [28] DC1 EDD 05/11/12
Booboomonster [37] DC3 EDD 05/11/12
ValiumQueen [43] DC2 EDD 05/11/12
IHeartpasties [31] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
TheDetective (27) DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Haywire [38] DC2 EDD 06/11/12
Peaky1 [32] DC1 EDD 06/11/12
Sam86 DC3 EDD 06/11/12
pipsicles (28) DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Schroedingersdodo DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Cherryjam [31] DC2 EDD 07/11/12
ENSMUM DC2 EDD 07/11/12
Blonderthanred [35] DC1 EDD 08/11/12
OMGBFP [38] DC3 for me DC1 for DP EDD 09/11/12
Gardenpixies(33) DC1 EDD 10/11/12
StuntNun [35] DC3 EDD 10/11/12
YellowWellies [32] DC1 EDD 10/11/12
ShushBaby [31] DC2 EDD 11/11/12
Onamission [28] DC1 EDD 12/11/12
Donnadoon [32] DC4 EDD 12/11/12
Elizadoesdolittle [37] DC2 EDD 12/11/12
Desperatehousewife [21] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
justonemorecake [28] DC1 EDD 14/11/12
Ellesabe [29] DC2 EDD 14/11/12
Evilwater EDD 15/11/12
GreenDragonfly DC4 EDD 15/11/12
Bimbledorf [32] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
TitsalinaBumSquash [25] DC3 EDD 17/11/12
Sooty [34] DC2 EDD 18/11/12
WaitingForMe [29] DC1 for me DC3 for DH EDD 19/11/12
Superpenguin [32] DC2 EDD 19/11/12
Funthatisfunny [32] DC2 EDD 20/11/12
applepieinthesky (25) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
Misslaughalot (35) DC1 EDD 20/11/12
Lilliana (31) DC1 EDD 21/11/12
FruitSaladIsNotPudding (31) EDD 22/11/12
Magicrabbit (38) DC2 EDD 22/11/12
Shinyblackgrape (34) DC1 EDD 25/11/12

OMGBFP · 19/03/2012 07:40

No you are right Lilliana :)

N20 - yes I'm petrified!!

Been up 2x in the night peeing Hmm great! Also been welling up at the news this morning, pregnant much??

Off to the midwife soon :) have been thinking about my LMP and it was a bit short, 3 days, was on pill, I wonder if there's a chance I am further along than i thought? I will see what they think.

Egg mayo and cheese sandwich for breakfast here, anyone else eating strange things and not your usual?

GreenDragonfly · 19/03/2012 07:44

I had some blood yesterday and started cramping badly, spent 6 hours in the hospital. Don't know what else to say really, the blood tests say my 'levels' are right for this stage in pregnancy and the lovely doctor did keep reassuring me that I was still pregnant, however I have to go back tomorrow night for more blood tests to see if they're still rising as they should be. They won't scan me yet as apparently it would be too early to see anything. Sorry for the ramble and lack of paragraphs, just needed to get it out :(

OMGBFP · 19/03/2012 07:46

oh no Sad I hope tomorrow's tests will show a nice rise for you x I'll have my fingers crossed. Please let us know how you get on? Thanks

DesperateHousewife21 · 19/03/2012 08:01

greendragonfly keeping my fingers crossed for you and your little bean. Really hope it all settles down and it was a one off.

jaylee89 · 19/03/2012 08:02

well tomorrow was the most emotional day i had so far. i gave my mum a scroll with some lovely wording on it and i just couldnt get through the first paragraphs without bawling my eyes out. also watched supersize v superskinny on catch up and when the lady cried i found myself welling up also! i was thinking to myself jesus women pull yourself together my DH gave me a lovely manly pat on the back as if to say (get a grip love!) bless him!

im so sorry to hear of your news green i will be thinking of you and i hope all goes well! xxxxx

jaylee89 · 19/03/2012 08:03

tomorrow?? tomorrow??? wtf! i ment yesterday! im a right mess atm lol

wellieboots · 19/03/2012 08:20

green, really hope all goes well for you, fingers tightly crossed. Thanks - I had some early bleeding from 5-6 weeks, bloods were all good and then I got a scan on Saturday at 7+3 which thankfully was also good. But it was a terrifying time while I was waiting, so I am thinking of you - have an un-MN hug