We will have a calm and worry-free pregnancy with lots of jumping beans and bouncing babies and will BROOK NO ARGUMENT on that (Part 7)

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Thanks for update pomme

Yay for the Pomme update! So exciting!

Yay Pomme, go babyPomme, go!

BabyPomme, that's your cue to get moving. Nice and quick and easy remember, be nice to your mummy!

wonders if someone should give Pomme some pepper to assist with the sneeze birth

Oooh yay for Pomme's update!! Come on babypomme!!!!

I've been monitored and all seems ok. Still not getting much movement but the ctg looked ok apparently, and had some ups and downs in the heart rate which is apparently a sign that the baby is happy and moving (as moving makes their heart rate go up iyswim).

So then a junior doctor came along - I was a bit as last time I was monitored I didn't have to see a doctor. But she was lovely anyway and explained everything to me, went off to speak to someone more senior 'to decide what they should do with me (?). Then she came back an said they would do a scan just to be über cautious, then end away again and came back and said they weren't going to bother with a scan because the last one was so recent, but instead they'd like me to go in for monitoring on Friday and Monday.

To be honest I'm not quite 100% sure why they want to monitor me again? I mean the junior doctor said that when they get reports of reduced foetal movement after 37 weeks they take it quite seriously and may even induce as by that stage the lungs etc should be fully developed so I guess then the lack of movement outweighs the risk of being born 'early'? I obviously say this based on my own thoughts and no medical training!! So maybe they're being extra cautious based on the fact I delivered early last time?

Either way I have no objections to anyone being over cautious with me. I think DH thought I was maybe a bit OTT for going in today and thought I must have just missed the movements because we were just or I was talking or whatever. But the fact that they want me to go back perhaps makes me feel a bit justified!

Anyway, hope everyone else is well. I shall manically keep checking back wait patiently for news from Pomme - come on team Pomme

If ever there were a time to dust off the no-brooking Pomme-Pommes (eh? See what I did there? Eh?) I think it should be now

Pomme, very exciting! Brooking that baby pomme gets a move on! :)

Biscuits, glad everything went well at the PAU. I wouldn't complain about them being overly cautious - at least they're taking it seriously! :) Hoping your LO treats you to some dancing later, to make you feel a bit happier. If I were you I'd have done the same.

Have just half packed the hospital bag, yay! I know this is madly early, but I like being prepared . Still missing some bits and pieces (like flip flops), but the bare essentials are all there.

Day off today (hurrah!), so how is it past midday already? Not impressed...

So relieved to hear everything's ok Biscuits. I wouldn't be surprised if they want to monitor you again twice more with the intention of maybe inducing you later next week if you're still getting reduced movements? You'll be over 37 weeks by then won't you?

Are you spending a lot of time rushing about? I know I really only notice movement when I'm having a quiet (some chance of that in this house!) day at home. I panic sometimes when I've had a busy day and realise I've not been paying any attention to movements. Was your DS really wriggly? Maybe this one is just not as wriggly as him which is why it might seem as though movements are reduced?

I'm pleased they're taking you seriously anyway, sounds like they're erring on the side of caution which can only be a good thing.

Yes Scarlet if they monitor me next Monday I'll be 36+6 by then so guess I'll have to see what they say! I know what you mean about having a busy day, but normally a bit of a rest or a sit down in the evening when I've realised I've not felt much entices a few wriggles out!

DS was much more wriggly (and I don't think I was paying as much attention anyway ), but this one has been quiet all the way through, so if I have any drop in mvmts at all, I'm left with hardly anything as I'm only on the threshold of what is deemed 'acceptable' on a good day! Of course I like to think that this baby is just so chilled out and when born will sleep like a charm apart from when it wakes and politely asks for milk, which it will take without any fuss or problems....

Come on team Pomme

at Biscuits it must be a sign that you are going to have the most easygoing baby.

Can someone tell me about Evening Primrose Oil? Do I remember someone (maybe Purple) saying about shoving capsules up the fanjo to help soften the cervix? I'm no good at swallowing tablets so this would be a much easier option for me if it's safe.

Hi all! I have a poorly Dd today and we are in bed, up hourly in the night with vomiting bleurgh and she has a temp and cough and is so worn out, so I think we will be staying here, especially as I am so tired myself!

My Tens has come so I can officially go into labour, however I think I am going to need a few days to reclaim some sleep and make sure Dd is ok.

Music I forgot to say thick socks for bag, possibly with grippy bits? I have thermal socks packed as I was freezing for part of my labour last time to the point where they were bribing me with extra blankets! And it is never cold in hospital! I will also be taking my ipod. Might take some boiled sweets, like cherry drops.

Biscuits glad your bean is ok and I would say they are just being careful with you, which is nice to hear.

Does an energetic cheer from my pit for Pomme!

Scarlet good quality capsules, from reputable source two up fanjo and I have been eating 2 also. I have also been having clary sage baths and massages and might get some rose oil too as both essential oils are uterine tonics like raspberry leaf. Again has to be good quality, evening primrose as pessary from 38 weeks or if your naughty 37 weeks for me.

I am not actually lentil weavery lol I think I come across on her as being though!

Biscuits, glad to hear that BiscuitCrumb seems fine and has nice little accelerations. However, you are right that lack of movement outweighs the risks of premature delivery, especially this close to the end. The doctor will be looking at it thinking 'we don't know why the baby is not moving (or not moving much), so better to be safe rather than sorry'. Safe in this case would be to deliver the baby because the reason for lack of movement could be life-threatening, like placental deterioration or hypoxia (lack of oxygen). I think they will be extra cautious based on the possible consequences to the baby if something is going wrong in there, and it won't have anything to do with your history of early delivery. So I'm very glad to hear that they're taking it seriously and want you to go in again for more monitoring! If the movements stay low then you absolutely should call them again and not wait until Friday. Sorry to be scaremongering, but reduced movements are the one thing that can be a sign of a serious problem and if you have to be monitored every day to be sure that it's not, then so be it. I hope BiscuitCrumb has done lots of dancing since you last posted to reassure you.

Come on Pomme, you can do it!

Flippety flip!

It's just dawned on me, that albeit in an oblique way, that doctor may have slightly mentioned me, and induction, and next week (not quite all in the same sentence but still.....)

Thank you Too - and I don't feel like you're scaring me - as you say I'm glad they're keeping an eye on me. I am much better 'educated' this time (if that's the right word) as feel much more aware of the various risks. I imagine last time I knew DS had to move and if he was moving plenty I would never have thought about it as much but I seem to be constantly on the verge of calling the hospital his time.

Fear not though - I have no objection to making a nuisance of myself to them. Still not loads of kicks - but probably got 5 at the hospital perhaps across the hour i eas being monitored. So will go home and attempt to sugar rush the baby with lucozade and see if it will dance for me while I iron!

GO POMME, GO POMME

5 kicks in an hour is good isn't it? Some hours I might get 5, other hours I might get none. Should we all be getting 5 or more during any given hour then?

Sorry to hear about poorly DD Purple. Maybe ease off on the herbal potions for a couple of days to give yourself a rest! Thanks for the advice re evening primrose. When you say good quality, I assume Holland and Barrett is ok?

I'm like you scarlet. Sometimes I get a few kicks in an hour but I can go a few hours with nothing. Surely I can't be the only one who has a LO that likes to sleep for ages at a time?

Oh I think 5 in an hour is a lot - I'd never normally get that many. Don't forget I could hear them too on the monitor even if I couldn't feel them. And I was laying still with nothing else to think about.

If they want 10 kicks in a normal day, 5 in an hour is a lot!! If I'm busy I don't always notice. And I find it hard to know for definite which baby is kicking for the central ones, so I'm finding any kind of accurate monitoring of movements nigh on impossible. I have to sit still, after a creme egg or similar, and feel for more distinct T1 vs T2 wriggles, squirms and kicks. Like I know T1 is moving now, and ?? t2 (just had said creme egg!). I am also counting hiccups, squirms and wriggles. I do get lots of alien-style writhing, mostly in the evening. I go by patterns of normal, not actual counting...

biscuits I had a friend who went in with reduced foetal movements 3 times in about 10 days and was then induced for it. She was actually 41 weeks or nearly that at induction I think, but still, same principle- if the baby is term and you have frequent episodes of reduced movements even with a reassuring ctg (as this girl had) I think they sometimes induce you. Eeek! ANother No-Brooking baby next week!!!?? And I agree, over cautious far better than a bit blase. And it would be more convenient for your DH didn't he say ? And, as scarlet's inlaws know, its all about the convenience for our other halves...

Go Pomme Go! I'm another one manically checking on here for any news. I was going to ask last night if the crochet hook would be out with a closed cervix- hurray for missing that bit temporarily at least! Hoping the gel just starts everything nicely and no need for anything else. ooooh, I'm thinking of Team Pomme

Right, should get off for a rest... in a minute...

Yep - I agree 5 in an hour is a lot - maybe bean was making up for doing bugger all since yesterday lunchtime? But I normally don't get more than one an hour, hence how it takes me so long to get to 10 in a day. And then I maybe had 1 or 2 from yesterday lunchtime to this morning. The only other times I've managed to get so many in an hour are if I've done the eating / drinking something sugary and lying down waiting to count.

It's so variable, though - my pg book What To Expect When You're Expecting says it should be 10 movements in an hour, but the community MW says 10 in 24 hours! That's a massive difference. I probably do get 10 movements in most hours from Bean, but I never did from DD1, and like Dream I'm not sure what to class as movement. The Alien-style wriggling is confusing because I don't know what's me having BH and what's just Bean squirming.

By the way, I might have another UTI, grr. MW was out this morning and my wee had ketones in it, again. She asked me if I was symptomatic and I said no, but now I think I might be - it's sore under my bump and a bit sore peeing now I'm paying attention. Also there was yesterday's dodgy tummy - could that also be a sign of some sort of infection? I'm to get a sample bottle from the GP and get it sent off to the lab.

On tenterhooks for a Pomme update!

Thats when I'd count anyway biscuits, DD, not being the most independent of players demands too much attention the rest of the time! Mine wriggle in the bath, now in her nap time, and in the evning most. Or at least that's when I can pay proper attention...

I'm worried now that you all think I'm making a fuss about nothing, or about only getting 5 an hour.

Honestly that was really rare to get so much movement and you can hear so much going on on the monitor that you can't feel. And my 5 in an hour also meant I'd got a grand total of 6 kicks between getting up at 7 and about 1pm.

It's just so hard to monitor them if you can't feel them - whenever I'm monitored you can hear stuff going on but not feel it, it's so weird

I think as long as you're getting your 10 a day or whatever is normal for you, that's the thing and that's what was different for me last night.

Exciting news pomme
glad to hear bean is moving biscuits I have started to wear my count the kicks bracelet but just count the episodes of movements as they tend to come in clumps, early morning, middle of the day if I sit still, early evening and bedtime.
I know how you all feel about leaving DCs at home to have baby. I went into labour early morning but didn't want to leave for hospital until ds1 had woken up so I waited and ended up being 9 and a half centimetres when I got to hospital. We also wanted to go home as a family of 4 so DS came to the hospital before we were discharged. It would be nice to do the same again but I can be discharged 3 hours after birth so we have to take school etc into consideration. May is also exam time!
Back is still playing up and top of my bump is aching now! I got a text from my midwife saying my iron and sugar levels were fine but due to mislabelling I need to go and have my antibodies redone! Grrr :(

Oh, Alien-style is 100% not BH. I can see limbs etc, and I can feel its a baby moving. BH is just bump going solid, totally solid. And uniformly so, not so you could be feeling a solid head/spine/bottom sticking out. In fact, mine both go quiet for a BH, then wriggle again once its relaxed off. I'm sure this was the same wit DD. And 10 movements in 24 hours would have had me racing to hospital with my DD. If she hadn't moved distinctly for more than 30 minutes I'd have thought something was up... I know, some websites say don't count squirms, wriggles, etc and not hiccups (why not??) only kicks. But a baby squirming and hiccuping is surely a baby doing ok? I have to not over-think it, or as I sid yesterday,I'd be in all the time...

I only get 1 type of movement. I am assuming that it is a kick but it just feels like I have a twitch. How do you work out that it is a hiccup??