The We Will Brook No Argument for a totally boring and uneventful pregnancy, in which we shall bloom, and a pain-free birth thread, part 3!

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Hands around a mixture of V-shaped pillows, pregnancy pillows, and re-arranges the glittery vom buckets ready.

Gets the jelly snakes going, along with some Cadburys for good measure, and a strategically placed fruit bowl to disguise the unhealthy choices.

Flicks the duster round, sinks down into a comfy sofa and awaits the rest...

generic with Christmas and new year coming up I bet it'll pass in a flash.
DS still shouts us when he wakes up now, you'd think at the age of 4 he'd get up without someone coming in but no (taking after his father in the lie in stakes i reckon)

Last night was worse! She woke at eleven till 2 and then at 6.30am. She certainly has no trouble getting out of bed! She was really screaming when I kept putting her back in so much so that I took her to the docs today (she's absolutely fine). Me sleeping on her floor was the only thing that kept her calm and in bed. Bit rubbish but my preferred option to sleeping in a bed with her (have tried it before - NOT for us). Have reinstated black out blinds and limited her daytime sleep today so we'll see...

MILs are generally a mystery imho... but it's lovely that your ds is so excited Ninja

biscuits - I have the same 'bumps' issue with dd. She'll say she wants to kiss baby and then bury her head in my cleavage...

Brooking for a quick easy birth for you sometime this week then Hawthers!

dream, sorry to hear about your grandpa. Also sorry to hear that you think DD has chicken pox... but at the others have said, her immune system will be impressive by the end! Poor you though, with no break...

Sorry to hear about all the poorly LOs. Seems to be that time of year.

Scarlet and Biscuits, thanks for your sage advice on employers! I can't change midwives easily as she's attached to my GP surgery. She's also lovely! I think they like you to stay with the same person here (if possible, and if you get on obviously) - she said she'd be the one delivering the baby if I had a home birth!

My new plan is to potentially go on 'maternity leave' (aka nothing-ness!) with said employer in Feb, at half term. I don't want to end up having lots of midwive appointments for whatever reason, and the children constantly having cover tutors, as it's not fair on them. Their previous tutor was utterly rubbish and they're already behind enough as it is. I think the dates work out ok, so just got to double check it and then confirm it with them. I had already said end of March to them, but frankly if they're not going to be helpful, then c'est la vie..!

Also, Scarlet, shocked by the table for four thing! How rude! Hope you're feeling better now :)

Ninja, glad you're all finally booked in! Yay for an imminent scan :)

Pomme, hope you have a better night with DD tonight!

Generic, the Christmas period will flash by and your booking in and subsequent appointment will come up nice and quick :) My next scan's at the beginning of Jan, so I'm hoping it'll flash by fast as well.

Phew.. caught up! Can't believe it's less than two weeks to Christmas- I still haven't done all my shopping. That's the next couple of evenings planned out then. Feeling very achey for the past few days bump wise, but otherwise all good here. Feeling a lot brighter in the evenings (was at a party last night and could have stayed longer if DH wasn't so tired-though felt it this morning!), but feeling shocking in the mornings still. Not helped by having to stand on the train most of the time! Oh well, only 7 more trips into London before the holidays..

hawthers, here's hoping a couple of tummy cramps, quick sneeze and 7lb babyhawthers is here in the next few days!!! And definitely not on Christmas day to annoy your ds by spoiling his day

generic, it'll fly by with Christmas coming up!! Ninja's 12 weeks seems to have zipped past to me. Hope the scans great on Thursday ninja

Dd has confirmed chicken pox. She's very miserable. I took her to the gp for that and her cough. A lot if her millions if spots aren't typical yet, but a few are- on her thumbs, thighs and one shin so gp thought it was pox. Her cough he's leaving alone for now and putting it down to virus on virus over 3 months. He did query reflux, but she's not vomiting or posseting so v unlikely. She's asleep on my chest now. If i put her down she wakes up. Tried three times, she's so tired but can't stay asleep so I'm stuck under a baby in her room..!!!

pomme sounds like a dreadful night with your dd. Mine never stays anywhere I want her to, like on her changing mat, so I expect similar antics. I shall consult my new toddler taming manual but don't expect much wisdom from me, I can't get mine to sleep in her cot!!! Well, maybe I could, if the child ever gets well... I hope tonight is better for you.

biscuits, had a surrupticious don't-wake-the-chest-frog-baby chuckle at 3 lumps!!

Hello everyone

Gosh, what a lot of poorly dc's. Mine's got a a cough and a cold, but nothing too bad. Hope they're all better soon.

pomme we're moving dd in to her 'big bed' in the New Year. Not looking forward to it much, but I want to get it out of the way before #2 arrives (which seems like a lifetime away, so I don't know why i'm worrying)

biscuits i'm sure the movements you are feeling are totally normal, but I have lots of friends who have gone to day assessment at their maternity unit if they have been worried about movements. They have always been taken seriously and reassured, so do see them if you are worrying tomorrow.

I saw my gp today to let her know I'm pregnant. It was a pretty boring appointment though. She'll of course refer me to mw, but booking appointments round here aren't done til about 11 weeks, and I'm 6 wks on Weds so aaaages to wait.

I have had painful trapped wind today, really unpleasant. Didn't expect that so early on!

dream - with three babies on you, I can't imagine you're very comfortable sat there!

Hello little, I've been comfier!! Two wriggling and one spotty and cot averse is not ideal. Here's to the next 5 weeks sipping past for you too, then a scan bang on 12 we
eks!

dream Sorry to hear that it is the pox. On the bright side it sounds like she's getting a full on dose of it so there shouldn't be any chance of her getting it again. And it's good in a way to get it over with while she's still young and before the twins arrive. Ponders on a trip to Lancashire with DS so he can also get chicken pox over and done with. No, that would be far too cruel just before Christmas I hope you manage to get some sleep tonight.

musical I'm pleased you've managed to work out what to do re your midwife appointments. You can look forward to a nice 3 day weekend, how lovely.

pomme I'm the same as you. I wouldn't be like DS sleeping in our bed, and I guess it's only down to luck that he's never shown any interest in wanting to. If you can persevere with it I'm sure she'll get the hang of staying in her own bed over the next few days. Even if it does mean cutting down on her daytime naps to get through it. I feel for you though, it sounds knackering.

I followed all advice today. I forced down scrambled egg on toast at 8am this morning and drank plenty of fluids throughout the day. I've not felt light headed at all, but have now been struck by a headache But I think I'm coming down with a cold so it's probably to do with that.

Oh no scarlet! We need to Broom No Argument for no more illness on this thread!! At least you haven't been lightheaded?! It's grim round here too, raining and blowing a gale, though dd would happily cough her germs all over your ds . Very glad I won't have three with it, one is clingy and miserable enough... Though she was quite chirpy this morning- I clearly jinxed myself by thinking maybe she's going to breeze through it...! Is your next mw appt next Tue? I used to be able to work yours.out from our v similar dates, but got lost now I'm consultant only. Are you still using your doppler?

I told you that your dd was getting all her illness out of the way before her brothers came dream. It looks like she is sticking to the plan. My friend's ds seemed to be constantly ill when he was little. She was really worried about him but touch wood he hardly gets ill at all nowadays. I'm seeing her tomorrow so if I don't come back here then you know it is cos he is poorly and she has beaten me up for causing it :o

Glad you didn't feel lightheaded today scarlet but hopefully the headache won't turn into anything. Keep up the food and fluids as dehydration can give you headaches. I had one last week, started Tues and went Weds afternoon but didn't turn into anything else so fingers crossed you will be the same.

Midwife appointment is next Tues when I will be 22+4. Still using the doppler when I have a wobble, but not every day like I was before I felt any movement.

Pomme I've thought of something that may help your DD. I think there is a sort of GroBag that you can put on a bed and it sort of holds them in bed. I remember reading about them before we moved our DD to her bed when I was worried she would turn over and roll out. I don't know if she would mind being restrained, but maybe they are worth a look while she gets used to her bed.

Musical I'm glad you have come up wtih a plan for your Friday employer.

Dream so sorry it is chicken pox, but I hope it's all over by Christmas and you can have a bit of a break (do GPs take time off over Christmas?)

Little how are you? Any symptoms yet? I've had wind and bloating the past few weeks too.

Hiya generic. Glad to hear I'm not the only windy bloated one! I'm tired and have achy boobs, but no morning sickness yet. Glad you're doing well too. It'll be exciting to go though this together after being on the ttc thread too

Generic - is that the sort of zip on duvet type thing? 'my first duvety or summat.

DS is getting a fancy toddler bed for Christmas from the in-laws. Really hope he just stays in it. He could easily escape from his cot but he hasn't figured it out yet, so i hope he'll continue to just lie and shout!

Hello ladies!

Woohoo! My shiny new laptop arrived! I've been forced to mostly read/post from my phone for the last few weeks because my laptop died and I hate DH's iMac. Well I finally bit the bullet and bought a new laptop last week, and now it's here! All shiny and blue! Very excited to be able to read messages properly again!

Unfortunately I can't help with all the talk about existing DCs and transitioning to big beds, I hope Pomme that your LO adjusts soon though.

Generic if it's any consolation I had really bad wind/heartburn/"upset stomach" really early on as well, but then it all went away for me until about a week ago. So fingers crossed although you have it now it won't necessarily hang around right through the pregnancy. Mine eased up after a week or so at the start (or maybe it went because I pretty much gave up eating when the morning sickness kicked in?!?!) but it didn't show up again until 19 weeks. It's a pain in the butt now though... I hope yours is gone soon!

Has any one in here ever come across a cynical yoga teacher? I'm an inherently cynical person, who really doesn't give much credence to the various "natural" birthing methods. Now that's not to say I have a problem with them, not at all, I think anyone who finds that kind of thing helpful to have the kind of birth they want then by all means go for it! I'm glad there are so many options out there. I just wish I could find someone a little more like me to chat to occasionally! (Sorry I can't think of a less self-centred way of saying that! Do you know what I mean? I just want someone with a similar outlook). My yoga teacher at the mo is great for the actual yoga, and it's really helping my back, but every session is all about "trusting your body to birth like a mammal" and "curling up into a ball in a dark space to switch off your intelluctual mind" and so on. That's absolutely fine for some people, but I'd love to find a yoga teacher who says "well yes it is going to hurt like hell, but you will get through it and it really will all be worth it in the end. Plus remember there are drugs available if you want them, so you don't have to do it all by yourself." I just want a different point of view!!

Apologies for the rant. Sometimes it just feels like there are a thousand places to meet people who want the "natural" experience, and literally nowhere to meet people who don't consider modern medicine to be the worst thing that ever happened to childbirth! (I'm exaggerating of course, I just get wound up by the yoga teacher's view that everyone should want the same thing - I don't have a problem with wanting an epidural and that doesn't make me an evil person who hates my baby!)

Wow that was a huge rant! Very sorry ladies, I got a bit carried away with how easy it is to type on a real keyboard!

My phone just lost my post!!!

Quick recap, can't be bothered to redo. I'm tired, still stuck with dd, moved into our bed now as she wakes up distraught if put in her cot. I can't sleep with her in bed, but at least i can lie down- better than chair in her room. I think she's trying to be ill my whole pg...

Generic, like the sound of the bed thing. Join you and little with recent windiness...

Hello everyone else, I wrote more til my phone ate it...

Oooo, one last point to add, this is actually the fourth No Brooking antenatal thread, not the third, so whoever creates our next thread should probably call it "part 5" or something like that.

scream, despite the issues with it my epidural was fab. There's this pressure that the more natural your birth the 'better' you did it. I struggled with feeling I'd been rubbish and done it all wrong when dd's induction went tits up and had epidural, constant CS threat and then big tear. Crappy, who cares. I have a lovely whingey, spotty dd, we're very close too close, little cling-on, plus wish she was in her own bloody bed now Makes no difference, all you need is healthy mum and baby. Plus, were not like mammals, our pelvis proportions are different plus we have bigger young comparatively, plus we stand on two legs so have lumbar lordosis (curve in lower back) mammals don't which makes getting baby through harder. Rubbish It's just like mammals, rubbish!!!!

Yes, I made a mistake scream, go on make part 5 on your new pooter

Okay, I've tried to create a new thread for us here but I don't have a great track record with these things so let me know if it hasn't worked!!

By the way, thanks for the epidural comment Dream! You're right, I think I'm getting defensive because somehow I always end up leaving that yoga class feeling as though I'm a failure for not wanting to go through the whole birth without pain relief. I would never think any woman was a failure regardless of how she chooses to go through childbirth - how can you consider anyone who's managed to grow and carry a baby within their own body for months and months anything other than completely hardcore!?! I am particularly in awe of women who have been through a difficult first experience and have still come back to do it all over again, and there are many of you on this thread! Mothers are all inherently strong women, and besides there are no easy options when it comes to getting a baby out!