The We Will Brook No Argument for a totally boring and uneventful pregnancy, in which we shall bloom, and a pain-free birth thread, part 3!

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Hands around a mixture of V-shaped pillows, pregnancy pillows, and re-arranges the glittery vom buckets ready.

Gets the jelly snakes going, along with some Cadburys for good measure, and a strategically placed fruit bowl to disguise the unhealthy choices.

Flicks the duster round, sinks down into a comfy sofa and awaits the rest...

I've just read the Bungle thread on the baby names. Sometimes things like this really seem to divide the MN opinions, but apparently not this!

Illness wise, no baby squits today, so her D&V seems to be clearing up- DH has caught it though, but not so bad, but he's feverish, shivery and got the D part... Cough still bad, especially at night, and just 'off colour'...

The HV said she'd send some info on the 'vanishing chair' technique when I rang for advice on how long she's missed her MMR for (and DH says tonight he will cancel it again tmw, she's still not well enough for it) and mentioned the sleeping problem. She hasn't though... And no room for another chair to, I presume, move further and further from the door til you're not there when they go to sleep, her room's too small, thats why I put up with the back pain and sit on the floor to try and head for the door gradually!! Not working yet either!

Dream - I just did a quick google on the vanishing chair thing. Didn't find much as yet, but I did find a discussion on netmums here about the same sort of thing. It turns into a bit of a bunfight about controlled crying, but you might be able to pick through to get a few other suggestions. There is something called the no cry sleep solution (i think this is a book?) and hush/pat method (although I think the idea if that us hushing and patting at the same time distracts a small baby as they can't concentrate on so many different things, so may not work as well at 14 mths. And the Baby Whisperer book is mentioned a lot.

I can't say I have any experience of any of them, but might give you a few things to start looking at?

Glad the D&V is gone though - hopefully if she is on the men's from the illness everything else will follow?

Oh, but not glad your DH has it instead

And here is a link that outlines the vanishing chair and a few other ideas.

From this extensive research I've done in the last 5 minutes there seem to be a few people saying that especially if your child is not sleeping following an illness then a no cry type solution is better than controlled crying iyswim. Your dd used to be able to do it, it's only the illness that's unsettled her so in theory hopefully you can retrain her without the need for controlled crying!

Yes, hope those missing are just off having lovely pregnancies, swanning around, swishing their glossy hair and showing off their glowing complextions.

Generic I had the flu jab and had no reactions. And DD held my hand so it didn't even hurt. Didn't get a chocolate biscuit afterwards though.

Sadly Pomme you can count me into the high risk group due to high BP, IUGR and a section last time round. Am aiming to be entirely normal this time.

Purple glad to hear your bp was better at your appointment. Mine went up at about 35 weeks and I am sure that midwife said if it proved to be a blip then I could still go the MLU. I hope it is still a possibility for you. And yes, iron tablets result in amazing black guiness poos!

We have not even talked about names - DD was namesless for days- but biscuits, now that I have heard Bungle there need be no more discussion. Sorry

Dream hope your DD stays asleep. Being ill really knocks thing off course. You have my sympathies- DH used to end up asleep on the floor in DD's room on a regular basis.

I'm here I'm here! I've been lurking but not sure when I last actually posted. I did send congrats to Generic on the other thread yday tho, and I'm soooo glad to see her over here now! Yay!!

I'm a bit tired over here (nothing like Dream tho! You poor thing!) but otherwise feeling better than I have since my BFP! So far I'm loving the 2nd tri! Not quite blooming, but just feeling human again is good enough for me!

Sorry to hear Dream's DD is still so poorly. I hope she feels better very soon!

Night night ladies, I'm afraid it's waaaay past my bedtime so the nightly battle to get some sleep must commence!

Here's for hoping these last 6-8 weeks of sleeping mayhem is a blip caused by her one-after-the-other series of illnesses! I do have the baby whisperer... Not looked at it since it made me feel like such a Bad Mother in the very early days of no sleep (I think it told me my problem was 'total lack of routine' to an emotional and sleep deprived person and i took it to heart and thought i was Doing It All Wrong) Was given by a well meaning friend. LOL fishcake, if only she'd pipe down enough for me to doze on her floor!!! Less baby babble young lady! Of course you will join pomme and I with no problems in our high risk pregnancies. hawthers has flown the flag and shown us how its done, we just follow in her No Brooking shoes :-)

Will check your info tomorrow biscuits, thanks very much. I'm in bed, last minute mn-ing on phone, work tomorrow...

fishcake, its only me who talks about names, dh wont, just says burt and ernie, Benson and hedges, Bill and Ben, hansel and gretal, morecambe and wise, etc etc in an annoying way to make me change the subject...

Hi All. Just sidled over from the rat smackers thread. 4 wks pregnant with my second baby (got a DS who's 14mo). Tempering my excitement with the thought of a sober Christmas/NY .

People who know so far: DH, personal trainer, MN.

Congratulations Real

Lovely to see you over here - pull up a comfy chair and settle in

Congratulations and welcome reallife!! Very exciting news!
That's how it went for me too- dh and mn knew... Til the mega puking began at dead on 5 weeks so got a little tricky to disguise!!

Oo hello Real! Congratulations and welcome. Sounds like you'll have a similar age gap to me as I am due when dd will be 23 months. Let's hope it's a good one!

Pomme / Real A friend of mine has about 22 mknths between her two - eldest is 3.1 now so the youngest is about 1.3 ish? And it seems like a really lovely age gap

Mknths? That's polish for Months....

Or even Polish for months - v poor capitalisation!

Hi Real! Congratulations and welcome to the antenatal thread! Make yourself at home!

Thanks all. We were aiming for a c. 2 yr gap so very happy. I read all the "What's the perfect age gap" threads to death, and the answer seems to be that there isn't one- it just depends on you and your circumstances. My sister and I were 15 mo apart and although we did fight, we also played together pretty much non-stop, so I'm hoping DS and DC-to-be will be the same (although maybe with less actual physical violence )

Blimey you lot were up late last night. I was wiped out in bed by 10pm. Had a bad night though, DS woke up crying from a bad dream at 3am. Unfortunately it was me who had to see to him, DH is working away. It was so sweet really though. I managed to calm him down and tuck him back in. I thought he'd closed his eyes so I stood watching him for a while and all of a sudden he piped up "go away now Mummy"

Welcome Real and congrats again.

dream your DH sounds like mine. I'm the only one interested in discussing names. He doesn't like my suggestions but won't make any himself other than stupid ones like Harold, Kevin etc. Apologies to anyone who has a DH/DS named either Harold or Kevin.

I can't ever find any inspiration on the baby name threads. It's like a competition to find the most pretentious/ridiculous name. I missed the Bungle thread but did read the Tippi one. In real life last week I met a little girl called Pebbles. Yes, that was her real name

waves at everyone from deep in a slanket nest morning all! Still no heating:(
Woke up with a headache this morning and am meant to be studying today! The deadline is approaching fast so I can't really put it off much more.

Welcome real, really exciting having fresh blood in here. 2 in 1 week too! :)

Welcome Real! Congratulations! How are you feeling so far?

Pomme, sadly I'm another high-risker. At least it means more scans and an early delivery, and they recommended an ELCS, which was what I wanted this time. At least I know that it will all be over quickly and I won't have to endure 2 or 3 days of stop-start labour again whilst freaking out attached to every monitor under the sun.

Oh no, Wants! Hope it gets fixed soon. How is the slanket panning out? I have bought DH a cheapo version for Christmas, so I hope they are good.

Am going to go find the Bungle thread! Am having a name wobble - thought we'd picked one but DH has gone off it, grr. My sister emailed yesterday to say that Fabienne means Bean! Comes from the Latin Faba, for broad bean, apparently. Am v tempted, but DH not so keen. Scarlet, I used to have a cat called Pebbles. Not the name I would pick for a little girl.

Purple, yay for the BP coming down! Will carry on Brooking for you to be able to use the MLU. The powers of Brooking know no bounds!

Oh Dream sorry to hear about your DD's restless nights. It's so hard isn't it? Must be doubly hard when you're preggo (and with twins!) I got the baby whisperer book when my DD was about 5 or 6 months and I was hoping she would start to put herself to sleep (rather than being BF) and sleep through the night. I have to admit I didn't find it very useful. The shush/pat thing may work on tiny babies, like Biscuits said, but it was pretty rubbish on a 6 mo who just wanted to get up and play! In the end we gave her a dummy to get herself to sleep (worked like a charm) then I took it off her cold turkey when she was about 10 or 11 months as I didn't want her to rely on it forever. She screamed her head off found it hard to get to sleep the first night without it, the second night was loads better and by the third night she was just fine. I suppose your DD's case is complicated by the fact that she's been so ill though. Probably no help to you, but I do hope things improve soon and just remember that she will be able to sleep eventually and probably it won't be too long until that day comes.

Real it's nice to see you in here!

Too my cousin's son has Fabien as his middle name because he was known as bean throughout pregnancy. I thought that was a lovely idea.

Don't worry about Bean. My name means sheep, but it has rarely been commented on

I'm feeling good thanks TooImmature. I didn't have any sickness with DS so hoping for a repeat of that, although I know every pregnancy is different. The main thing I'm stressed about is the birth/ actually getting a hospital place as I live in China and next year is the "Year of the Dragon"- a very fortuitous year to be born, and my due date is 3 August, which is horribly close to 8th August- the 8th of the 8th. Eight is the luckiest number in China, so there will be LOTS of August babies and on the 8th the hospitals will be rammed with ELCS. Therefore, if I haven't dropped by due date, lots of pressure to be induced to avoid the 8th/8th crush.