Twin's Club 2! All Welcome! :)

[holidays2010]

Continued on from Here
Tried to update best I can with limited info and time, but here's the list on the new Twins Club thread, please update if I've missed anything!

Sassy34264 #2&3 EDD 12/09/10, Lancs, Jacob and Isobel born 13/8/10
strawberrylace #2&3 EDD 1/12/10, Suffolk, surprise Zoey and Lucas born 23/10/10 by c section
jjkm #1&2 ADD 29/1/11, outside the UK, Girls born 25/10/10
Lavitabellissima #1&2 EDD 13/12/10, SW London, Identical girls Born 04/11/10 c section (early 34&3)
smokeybacon #3&4 EDD 25th Nov, Nottingham, Freddie and Tobias born 06/11/10, natural birth after induction.
Jenzopos #1&2 EDD 23/11/10, Charlotte & Anna, Manchester 15/11/10 6lb 7oz and 7lb 5oz
Swazzee #1&2 EDD 02/12/10, South London, Adem 6lb 3oz and Rafi 5lb 13oz 21/11/10
Amberc #2&3, Madeleine (6.3lb) & Isabella (6.11lb) , delivered by C Section on 07/1/11 at 37 weeks, Kent
Thingamajig #2&3 EDD 20/3/11, Cornwall, identical girls Hannah (5lb4oz) and Louise (4lb4oz) born 13/2/11
Magic8ballhastheanswers #3&4 EDD 22/3/11 South London, ID girls born 27/2/11
Cerubina #1&2, SW London, Sebastian (3lb 4oz) and Rosamund (3lb 9oz) born 8 weeks early on 26/2/11 by emergency c-section
Holidays2010, 2 Baby Boys born 06/03/2011
CantDrinkAnyMoreMilk, Scotland, Baby Girl and Baby Boy born 01/03/2011
crazydayz, Thomas and Isobel, born on 28/4/2011 by C-section at 7lb 3 and 6lb 14

Tabbycat76 #1+2 Edd 21/02/11, Suffolk, surprise
VictoriaSecrets #1&2, EDD 17/05/11, Basingstoke, Prob Non-ID twin girls!

Snowfalls108 #2&3 EDD 29/05/2011, SW London, ID surprise
MissyMolly #1&2, EDD 29/05/2011, Midlands, non ID boy and girl
RestingKitty #1&2 EDD 15/06/2011, South London, boy & girl
Propercrimbo #2&3 EDD 16/07/11, North Lancs, not finding out
Brassicababe #1&2, 22/07/2011, Lincs, non-id, surprise
MorningsMadness #2&3 EDD 14/08/2011, Surrey, Non-ID twin girls
MrsStevo, #1 & 2, EDD 23/08/2011, Lincs, MCDA ID
Redshaw, EDD Sept 2011, MCDA ID
Tiggersreturn #2+3 EDD 26/09/11 NW London DCDA - not finding out
DoubleDiffedDachs, #1&2 EDD 5/10/11, Twyford (Berks), DCDA, too early to tell!
Fluter, EDD October 2011, Non-ID
PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling #1+2 EDD ... , DCDA
mybootsaremuddy 6+7 EDD 7/7/2011, surprise
silverangel #1+2 EDD ..., ID

oh, good move quempin! I think I will be joining you. I loved my job before- but I never missed it since having DD. It's kind of niec to be back for a brief while now (I was already 14 weeks pg when I re-started after my mat leave though) so knowing it's temporary helps. This recent extended period of illness, and poor sleep for DD and so therefore me etc etc makes me wonder how people do it who go back full time, forever! My DD just wanted mummy around, I was exhausted from looking after her- a nursery wouldn't have had her in with either the Roselola Infantum or the extended Diarrhoae &Vomiting bug so I'd have missed even more time than the one week that I did... Of course bb3 is clearly amazing, managing that commute, and a senior position and a yound child- soon to be three young children next time she's back

I do know both people though- I have friends who hate being working mums and would love to be SAHM's, but can't afford it, friends who say they just couldn't be a SAHM and work mostly through choice, and SAHM's who love it, and went back but quit as soon as they could! When they're little it's such a full time job. I find the most annoying thing is not being able to fit jobs in- the days I'm at work nothing gets done- even when it's dh at home with dd, so I spend more of my time on catching up on my other days now. I can't rest in dd's naps, as there is cleaning, laundry, cooking etc etc to be done that have already been waiting!!!!!

I'd love to be a sahm and earn my salary! - it's definitely harder work at home than it is in the office (trust me I'd rather take on a corporate CEO than a tantruming toddler - at least you can attempt to reason with them ). I'd like to retrain and do something else long-term but need a financial cushion in order to do that and we are not quite there yet (especially having the surprise of two for the price of one this time around).

I am very fortunate though my sister is my full time lie-in nanny so I have a great childcare resource if I had to pay childcare for three it wouldn't be viable for both dh and I to work.

I've just spent a small fortune on clothes in the sainsbury's 25% off clothes thing - one thing i wasn't prepared for was the cost of twins, now of course you know you have to buy two of everything but there's a difference between knowing you have to buy two gro bags and then getting to the till and it being £50! (I bought more than a few gro bags tho!) however I fell in love with these humphry corner dresses in mother care but at £28 there is no way - £56 for one outfit that they will grow out of (I'm a bit of a cheapskate) would be different if they were 2-3 as they have a whole years growth but not 3 months worth! Anyway will stop gabbling on about rubbish now, how you mummy-to-be's feeling?

hi all, i know i really should be taking it easy and after reading your post bb3 maybe i will take it easy as have been doing the school run carrying all kids about walking the dogs, it does pull every now and then but nothing major yet so maybe i will sit a few things out. im still mix feeding however they get the boobs during the night now as was sick of people turning up wheni was in the middle of a feed and kept forgetting to shut the curtains and they do really well the sleep between the feeds and go to sleep well afterwards, my dd1 is six in january so grown up it breaks my heart dh still calls round wheneveri want to scream at him because alas ladies i love the devil still but i guess hes now settled into his own world so thats sad for me and the girls but all in all doing well- sorry for the quick post but im cooking tea- the joys of single parenthood noone to cook for me xx keep safe girls xx

Hi everyone hope your all ok. I will go back and read the thread now .just wanted to check in quickly still struggling with the sickness. Next weekend ill be 12 weeks so hoping it will at least let up a bit then. Hoping the scan next week will give me a real boost

Quepmpin thanks hope so. What type of lucozade helped you. I'll send dh for some today Im s bit envious of your 32 week status feels like 10 mountains to climb to get to that stage.

Suppose we are sort of doing our own 2012 olymipics in a way!

Hello all,

Just back ftom gyno app. Things are stable, babies healthy even though the first is now breech (was head down 10 days ago), the boy of course!! All my 3 girls have behaved well position-wise, it had to be first boy in the family to mess things up!
But frankly, at the moment I'm not that much boyhered, as long as they reach a healthy stage and come out healthy, having a natural birth has kind of moved down on my prioritiesm!
dream I dont know how you can even thibk of it after such a traumatic experience firt time round! I think I would go straight diwn the CS route!

BB3 you are lucky to have your sister as babysitter! I have nver gone back FT after dd1, as dh always worked Very long hours, and could only rely on nursery. Its a huge juggling act being a working mum!
At the moment I am working on a kind of freelance basis, I am paid by the project and its quite flexible, but a lot of it involves meeting with people or going into publuc offices, so I am also restricted by thrir working hours. I somehow always manage to find a way, with a mix if school, friends, dh, relatives...but it does require a lit if imagination! I am hoping to start agsin when the twins are 1. They can then go to a local nursery in the morning, if they take me back...there is no obligation on their part but I think they will want me back, just because of the experience I now have in the job.
Its lucky that nurseries in Italy are no way near as expensive as in the UK, or it wouldnt be worth my qhile, as I never how much work I am going to get from one week to the other.

Its such a hard decision though, I dont regret staying home for thd dds when they were you g, even if it means that I am now in a very precarious situation workwise, but I am lucky that dh has always earned enough to allow me to make such choices.

I feel bad for you ladies euth sickness, it must be horrible. Hope ig hoes soon.

twin it sounds like you are doing brilliantly, whats your routine with mixed feeding? I think I will have to do the same, so very curious about how to make it work.

dream dh has already moved some furniturs, but we need to work out how to arrange things so theres room for everything, it needs a but if planning, hopefully we'll manage during the holidays.
Sending positive thoughts to everyone from my sofa!

tabby good to hear from you again! Sorry you aren?t sleeping well, you sound like you are having a tougher time than me but I do empathise. I am glugging the gaviscon aswell ? but luckily it does seem to work for me. Nights aren?t great, often awake on and off from early hours, and turning over is a mission. DH tells me I am snoring lots as well . Well done on the progress on your house! Bet you must be so relieved there is light at the end of the tunnel. I feel the same, joiner doing finishing touches to our nursery as we speak, will be able to declare it done in a couple of hours ? yippee!

twin wow amazed you are feeling bored and itching to get out for a jog after a couple of weeks. Gives me hope that it isn?t inevitable that I will be run ragged and bone tired after the twins arrive. Do take it easy though!
dream no varicose veins for me or piles or anything ? wondering if all that will hit me in the next few weeks or if I have actually escaped some of those particular symptoms!

quemp I also think I am swelling a little in my hands and feet. I can?t comfortably get my rings on now so they are staying off. Doctors don?t think it is anything to worry about just normal 3rd trimester stuff.

Carriein really hope that your sickness dies down as you come into 2nd trimester. Fingers crossed!!

Re work ? I am on mat leave now, woo hoo! Last thing I am thinking about at the moment is returning to work but I will. I bring home more than half of the family income (well when working full time anyway) and things would be too tight/ not quite affordable unless I contribute. So expecting a lean and mean next year or so! I also did Iots of London trips, couple of times a week and am well and truly sick of that ? I can imagine British Airways is feeling the impact of my pregnancy and maternity leave with a profit dent!

So I had my 32 week scan and consultant apt on Monday. All good with the babies, growth right on target and position of twin 1 is head down, kicking twin 2 in head, who is transverse right along the top of my uterus ? no wonder ribs are killing!
Also had a good discussion about delivery, at last! Long and short was, I am going to go back to see the consultant on 4 Jan and on that day will get my ELCS date for 38 weeks. I wrinkled my nose at the talk of induction and the doctor didn?t seem too surprised that I would vote ELCS over induction. She said that I am likely to go into labour myself naturally at 36/37 weeks so just need to think and plan how I would want that to go ? eg try for natural birth or not. She said don?t try it without an epidural and explained pros and cons of both modes of delivery. Felt much better after that chat.

Had lovely baby shower at the weekend and got lots of lovely gifts and now have started shopping for the twins, much more to do though!

thanks i'll try and get some of the orginal stuff then.
ill send dh tomorrow.
hes not well himself now run down with a cold, hes got a big cold sore on his lips poor thing.
probably as hes taking the strain with all the stuff i normally do.
well not ALL of it as the bathrooms havent been cleaned in weeks, but the main.

feeling alot more settled at the thought of having twins now, someone on here said something to me that struck a chord, tha she would never of had that thrid child if it hadnt of been twins and that is very much the case with me, no way would i have gone through pg again, so the fact theres two babies really means theres a bonus baby.
a baby i would never never had otherwise.
i've only known for three weeks now that its twins, so i think ive made fairly good progress accepting andadjusting to the news.

thanks for the good wishes everyone.im glad ive found some people on here to talk to that understand

i dont think i said to anyone that when i had dd i had a 4th degree tear and anal sphincter repair operation.
was a pretty hideous experience for me, and i still have a few trouble with to 4 and a half years later.
so i have already been refered to a consultant, before we found out it was twins.

Oh, carrie, how horrible! I can kind of maybe empathise with the 4th degree tear- I had a bad third degree tear and healing was bad enough.... I'm having some problems again now, maybe as it's only 15 months since my repair. Nothing like what you've suffered I'm sure... I was also already referred to a consultant. The only 'good' thing I can say about it is right from the off you will have the ELCS option and they'll discuss delivery- lack of which chat seems to drive others on here crackers, and would have for me- as they have made it clear to me that if I'm desperate for a vaginal delivery I can try for one, but no-body will push it with twins and a previous big tear. In fact, if I'm at term, they lean to CS for me as babies will be bigger, if early and smaller babies, maybe try natural if I want to was what the consultant said. Depends what you want though. I really hope your sickness gets the second trimester message and buggers off!! I demand you have an easier pregnancy and birth this time!! (and carrie, my bathrooms have been making do with a lick and a promise for ages now, as has the rest of the house....oh my, how standards have slipped...)

quempin it was a haha not funny nickname when I called myself Dreamfeeder a long time ago- twas me feeding or dreaming of it in a dream-like state, not dd!!! I used to wake up and panic, thinking I'd drifted off with her on my chest and me keeping her upright and I'd let her go and she'd slid under the duvet... etc etc. I dreamt that many, many times, and woke in a panic, hunting for her (mostly she was in fact back in her basket/cot, or on me and always fine!) Hence the nickname. Bit of a long explanation sorry... but it wouldn't have worked for me- if I woke her or she woke, she tended to wake up completely and was hard to settle. Plus she had reflux and had to be held upright for 30 minutes after each feed, no way you could not wind her (and not by patting her back, then she puked, just firm upward strokes). If you lay her down, even if she was sound asleep after her bf, she woke up straight away and would be very upset about it all, and just vomited continously- 3 moses basket sheet changes a night was pretty standard, and I didn't change them for minor incidents!! I did move onto double folded or squared muslins under her head, and used to change them every feed instead after a bit, for many months. Hope these next two aren't like that- one baby waking every 2 hours to feed, and needing holding upright by an awake mummy so I only ever got an hours sleep at a time, if I was lucky, was enough for me!!!! Plus, the gp at her 6 week check and hv weren't interested until she'd dropped the requisite 2 centiles on the growth chart which gets them interested.. by which point, she was actually improving, and then they prescribe her medication which I never ended up giving. That sounds like it was all hell- the lack of sleep was very hard, but I loved DD as a newborn, and she was mostly a happy baby (in daylight hours!) despite it all! I'm going to hope time starts whizzing for me after 24 weeks (which is 29th December, and my next scan, not that I'm counting down to it or anything )

Hello raven, fabulous news that you'll get your ELCS date on 4th Jan and that all was good on the scan! What do you think you'll do if you go into labour naturally at 36/37 weeks? Having been induced on an unfavourable cervix, I certainly wouldn't volunteer again. I was also strongly advised on an epidural if I did want a natural birth- I thought the reasons made a lot of sense, and through mine with DD, which to be fair had mostly worn off, I could feel everything like a third degree tear and push with no problems. I had no piles (until the birth/tear) and no varicose veins with DD. boo!!!!! How lovely your nursery is all done- are they sharing long term? are you going to have them co-sleeping in one cot at first?

BB3, at me winning the worry wart award!!! I can't believe I'm the same person as last time actually- I continued mountain biking to 27 weeks in the Lake district, went abroad and climbed mountains in the Austrian alps at 26 weeks, and was generally fine, and pretty relaxed about everything after my 20 week scan last time. Never asked for any advice on whether things were ok- hadn't found mumsnet, or needed to, etc etc. Ha! What a difference to now no wonder my dh despairs. Not like my situation has changed- same job, similar knowledge. Just me gone mad...!

glad dh has made a start claire, hope it does get finished over Christmas. Did your gynae doctor think you were still at risk of prem labour or not then? (by 'not' I mean if you carry on with the rest and medication, not that the risk has magically vanished!)

And best of all, hot off the press, tonight for the first time in 2 months, DD went in her cot as usual and went to sleep . Only a first step, and she may be back to her 2-hours-of-antics tomorrow but I'm delighted. She clearly has 2 more teeth coming which are troubling her now, but her tummy is ok now, its just her chest (which dh has finally listened to and proclaimed not bronchiolitis again, just a cough, which is a relief). I am very happy.

dream thanks, its nice to talk to someone that understands how bad a bad tear can be.
sorry you experienced a 3rd degree tear, i never knew before such injuries was possible.
think some people in rl think oh its just a few stiches
yes i dont think ill have a problem getting a cs if thats what i want, even the midwife said it woulld be the best thing for me, and i havent even seen her since finding out it is twins, did leave aher a voice mail but haven't heard anything from her, ive been seeing my gp about the sickness

carrie, I have already been complaining on here about some ongoing problems related to my tear, and feel fairly sure as dh tells me constantly I will be back at the general surgeons again after these two are born... Still, makes a CS recovery less intimidating as I know, as you do more than me I'm sure, that big tear recovery is no walk in the park- I struggled more than 2 of my friends who had sections regarding pain and walking, and certainly length of time before any resumption of normal relations with dh was possible!!! I was worried for quite a long time I'd never be able to get pg without quite severe pain in the concieving/ DTD part! In fact, I got pg about 2 months after I last asked DH if he thought we'd ever have pain-free nookie again.

Dreamfeeder, yes it is awful. Tbh I still find sex a bit painful even now.well upto the point I got pg. Haven't really fancied trying since being pg. Tmi lol
I don't think I could face another repair op down there.
I have Bern feeling a certain pain and sort of heavyness in that area now I'm pg. I don't know if the scars are throbing or something. But it does worry me how the repair will hold out under the strain of a twin pg.

Carrie, I've got a feeling of pain and pressure and throbbing there, but Dh informed me its varicose veins.... In my groin, plus vulval varices- tmi, but its grim. Had no problem with veins in my first pg, yet this started at 15 weeks!!! Having pain and a lot of bleeding going to the loo again. I definitely couldn't face another repair op, if either is breech, or I'm having over 6lb babies I think I will have elcs to avoid it!

Best thing about twins is no more pregnancy for me!!! So Dh says, and tbh we probably couldn't afford more children.

Hope everyone else is ok today!

Dream has your consultant given you any advice on how to avoid it getting worse. I wondered if the standard advice was to avoid being on your feet for too long. And perhaps try and elevate your feet.

Do you think if you wasn't pg with twins you would have gone on to have a third? I don't think i would have .and I do worry about affording three children

Yes, I always wanted a bigger family, three or four, and my Dh wanted two so we'd agreed we'd have 3. Dh says we just get to meet our third child a couple of years early, which is a lovely way of looking at it! tbh, I hadn't thought of how horrible ms and pg is to think of doing it twice more and i still don't dare think about birth!!! Affording 3 one school year apart, especially if they all want to go to university is a worry, let alone clothes/shoes and general child running costs...

Oh, missed your other post. Re the bleeding, they were only concerned about anaemia but i don't want to take iron just in case as that'll only make it worse so just having extern blood tests to check for anaemia. The veins, she said will hopefully go after the birth, just rest (hopefully-I was horrified at prospect they might not go plus rest with a 15 month old?!?!)

Oh, and wanted to know if the bleeding was definitely related to the tear- how I'm meant to know that I don't know, but certainly didn't have these problems before it. And never quite got to the cause of it last time as I couldn't face a sigmoidoscopy with a 16 week old baby when we'd just moved house, so did end up self discharging from general surgeons....

Oh dream you reallyhave been through the mill. Really really hope all goes easy for you this time. You deserve a break.

hi all

had 32 week scan yesterday - all good, but big - T1 is est to be 4lb 3oz, and T2 (wait for it) 4lb 10oz!!!!!! that's nearly 9lb of baby in me already, and hopefully about 5 more weeks to go. sonographer completely freaked me out by implying that there was no way I was going to make it to term so I was up till 11 last night sorting out baby clothes. obviously haven't packed my hospital bag yet though!!!!!! have calmed down about that today... just don't feel that they are ready to come out.

What was good news was that they are both cephalic, and were pretty low yesterday (think they have shifted a little today as pelvis isn't as bad). So was feeling pretty good about natural delivery yesterday. then saw registrar at clinic today and got her to talk me through what to expect from a natural delivery for twins and it sounds absolutely hideous. have been in tears on and off ever since. (you have to bear in mind that I wanted a home birth and everything to be as natural as possible before I knew it was twins and therefore that option was out of the window). But it sounds like what Quempin predicted months and months ago of labouring in an operating theatre surrounded by most of the staff of the goddamned hospital isn't unrealistic. Not to mention that they want me to have an epidural and if T2 turns and is breech they will want me in stirrups to deliver him. oh, and skin to skin seems to be out of the question until about 6 hours after delivery (I exaggerate). really don't know what to do about it all at the moment. Am not feeling strong enough to have a fight, and am so scared that if I do challenge anything things will then go wrong and it will be 'my fault'. Am tired which isn't helping. Is anyone aware of NICE guidelines for natural delivery of twins?? I've had a quick hunt on their website this evening but haven't found anything yet. Would be very interested to know what their reccomendations are.

I am strongly considering a birth doula, and met one with twin experience the other week, so may well ask her to come to the birth with me, and take on the hospital before hand to get a less daunting birth plan agreed. Sure it will all feel more manageable in the morning but right now it's just horrid. And whilst dh wants to be supportive, he is scared of the delivery and therefore inclined to go with what the hosipital want in order to reduce risk to me and the babies, and doesn't really get why I am so upset about it.

[apologies for typos by the way, glasses are upstairs and I'm not so am squinting at the screen!!!!]

more positively i got some prescription heartburn meds which i am very much looking forward to trying tonight!!

Raven - congrats on finishing touches to nursery. DH is currently stripping the last of the woodchip off the walls (have been helping which is part of teh reason for my exhaustion!) of ours in preparation for the plasterer tomorrow.

Dream - yay re dd going down easily. fingers crossed she keeps it up!!

hope everyone else is in a happier place!! sorry for such a long 'woe is me' post.

Tabby that's great news about the twins weights.

What were the hospital trying to get you to do re the birth? Are they trying to convince you to have a cs?

I've heard about people having to have them in the operating theater if they are having a vaginal birth. But it seems so scarey not the cosy environment most of us would like

hiya just a quick one, the girls routine ( and mine), We wake up at 530am for breakfast of boobies then they sleep until 10am when i getback from school run and they have 3oz of formula, then have a kick around for 30mins then back to sleep til 130pm(giving me chance for lunch)wake up for 3oz of formula, sleep again till 430pm for another 3 oz then its boobies for 7pm feed up to bed at 8pm so i can read to dd1 and tuck her in bed then they have boobies at 10pm 2am, they are growing well at 6lbs 130z and 7lbs they are 3weeks old today infact today is my due date. xx hope allyou ladies are doing well im trying to catch upwith the posts xthis thread is huge x

Hi everyone!

Tabby, from what information I've had so far re:birth, they very strongly recommend an epidural in case you're one of the unlucky ones who ends up with one VB and one CS so they can get you in theatre quickly, and also my consultant said VB asssisted breech is a lot more uncomfortable than a normal delivery and you'd want an epidural... . Even if they're both head down, and they will try to hold twin 2 in position after twin 1 is delivered, twin 2 may still manage to wriggle round and so there is always the possibility of a breech birth. And i think to prevent them getting shoulders stuck, they do assist the breech delivery so you do need to be in stirrups, unless I was mis-informed at my appt. tbh, with my previous tear and how excruciating I found VB anyway, I'm not volunteering to try for a breech delivery if one definitely is!! Scary about the skin-to-skin Tabby, I am hoping for immediate skin-to-skin if possible and babies well, however they come out. Why's that?! I will have a hunt too and see if I can find any info- busy weekend so might be a few days about it.

I also saw the women's health physio yesterday who was lovely (not about that, about my back pain!). She did talk about the birth with me too though, and said of the women she sees with incontinence, particularly faecal incontinence, almost every single one had birth trauma of a third or fourth degree tear if faecal, particuarly if they had another difficult birth (i.e. trauma on trauma to that area). She said as I have vulval varices, a previous third degree tear and am having twins, she says she knows which way she'd lean, and write a list of 'why's' and 'why not's' for CS vs VB but it's my choice! She also didn't know what percentage of women who have a big tear re-tear (neither did the consultant), and said of course, she doesn't see women if they don't have any problems, but having had one big tear it's a vague possibility for me to have problems in later life anyway. Just thought you might be interested carrie, as a fellow 3/4th degree tearer!! Another thing that makes me think I'll go for ELCS. I'm just scared of tearing again, especially if I have an assisted delivery, and all I really care about at the end of the day is two healthy babies and hopefully not having another big tear, though if it came to it I'd happily tear again if it meant getting them out safely... And I will stop banging on about tears now- as I am having some 'issues' now, it's all at the forefront of my mind and even at 21 weeks I'm thinking about delivery! Sorry all...

and yes tabby, fabulous about the twins weights! They're obviously good sizes, but growth scans are +/- 50% aren't they? Don't worry too much- my friend's singleton wasborn at 31+5 and was 5lb 11!!!!! He'd have been huge!!! (he'd already been spotted as a big baby, but not that he may be prem)

Hello twin, sounds very manageable! I wonder if it'll get harder as they sleep a bit less, but I am so encouraged by the routine you've got already.

DD is not going down well every night, but it does seem to be improving- under an hour at least instead of 2, smetimes 30 min! But she wakes at the slightest thing... Does anyone think we should try being noisier round the house once she's asleep in the hope of de-sensitising her to noise once the babies are here?! I'm so tired that I can't face waking her up, but don't know if short term pain now would be long term gain later?! She woke up when I slid her cot side up the other night (she'd been in and out so much it got forgotten and left down) and took 45 min to get her back to sleep at 11pm . Worried I'll have 3 awake on my hands when babies here, and DH needs to get his sleep if he's going to work so I wouldn't ask him to help on those nights...