Twin's Club 2! All Welcome! :)

[holidays2010]

Continued on from Here
Tried to update best I can with limited info and time, but here's the list on the new Twins Club thread, please update if I've missed anything!

Sassy34264 #2&3 EDD 12/09/10, Lancs, Jacob and Isobel born 13/8/10
strawberrylace #2&3 EDD 1/12/10, Suffolk, surprise Zoey and Lucas born 23/10/10 by c section
jjkm #1&2 ADD 29/1/11, outside the UK, Girls born 25/10/10
Lavitabellissima #1&2 EDD 13/12/10, SW London, Identical girls Born 04/11/10 c section (early 34&3)
smokeybacon #3&4 EDD 25th Nov, Nottingham, Freddie and Tobias born 06/11/10, natural birth after induction.
Jenzopos #1&2 EDD 23/11/10, Charlotte & Anna, Manchester 15/11/10 6lb 7oz and 7lb 5oz
Swazzee #1&2 EDD 02/12/10, South London, Adem 6lb 3oz and Rafi 5lb 13oz 21/11/10
Amberc #2&3, Madeleine (6.3lb) & Isabella (6.11lb) , delivered by C Section on 07/1/11 at 37 weeks, Kent
Thingamajig #2&3 EDD 20/3/11, Cornwall, identical girls Hannah (5lb4oz) and Louise (4lb4oz) born 13/2/11
Magic8ballhastheanswers #3&4 EDD 22/3/11 South London, ID girls born 27/2/11
Cerubina #1&2, SW London, Sebastian (3lb 4oz) and Rosamund (3lb 9oz) born 8 weeks early on 26/2/11 by emergency c-section
Holidays2010, 2 Baby Boys born 06/03/2011
CantDrinkAnyMoreMilk, Scotland, Baby Girl and Baby Boy born 01/03/2011
crazydayz, Thomas and Isobel, born on 28/4/2011 by C-section at 7lb 3 and 6lb 14

Tabbycat76 #1+2 Edd 21/02/11, Suffolk, surprise
VictoriaSecrets #1&2, EDD 17/05/11, Basingstoke, Prob Non-ID twin girls!

Snowfalls108 #2&3 EDD 29/05/2011, SW London, ID surprise
MissyMolly #1&2, EDD 29/05/2011, Midlands, non ID boy and girl
RestingKitty #1&2 EDD 15/06/2011, South London, boy & girl
Propercrimbo #2&3 EDD 16/07/11, North Lancs, not finding out
Brassicababe #1&2, 22/07/2011, Lincs, non-id, surprise
MorningsMadness #2&3 EDD 14/08/2011, Surrey, Non-ID twin girls
MrsStevo, #1 & 2, EDD 23/08/2011, Lincs, MCDA ID
Redshaw, EDD Sept 2011, MCDA ID
Tiggersreturn #2+3 EDD 26/09/11 NW London DCDA - not finding out
DoubleDiffedDachs, #1&2 EDD 5/10/11, Twyford (Berks), DCDA, too early to tell!
Fluter, EDD October 2011, Non-ID
PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling #1+2 EDD ... , DCDA
mybootsaremuddy 6+7 EDD 7/7/2011, surprise
silverangel #1+2 EDD ..., ID

MrsStevo, #1 & 2, EDD 23/08/2011, Lincs, MCDA ID,
Tiggersreturn #2+3 EDD 26/09/11 NW London DCDA - not finding out
silverangel #1+2 Sophie, 3lb3 & Alice3lb1 born at 31+2 on 01/08/11 EMCS
PrincessScrumpy #2 & 3, girls
BB3, #2&3 (#1 DS) DCDA girls born 20.09.11 by EMCS at 37 weeks exactly - Edith-May 5lb 11.5oz and Ayse-Rose 6lb 1oz.

PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling #1+2 EDD, DCDA, Boy and Girl, Born 14 Sept
Twinnerves, DCDA, #2&3, girls Francesca and Isabella, born 18/11/11 EMCS 6lbs 6 oz and 6lbs 9.5oz
xkatyx , ID girls, DC 8,5,9months, EDD 21/12/11
Quempin #1&2 EDD 27/1/12, ID surprise
Ravenlocks DCDA, #1&2, EDD 28/01/12
Tabbycatt, DCDA, 2 boys, DC 2 & 3, EDD 30/1/12
Claireinmodena DCDA, Boy & Girl, DC 3 & 4 (!!), EDD 23/02/12
Dreamfeeder, DCDA, DC 2 & 3, EDD 12/4/12
BigBoobsAtLast, MCDA, DC 2&3 EDD
CarrieInTWOTwinBabbies DCDA DC 2&3, EDD 28/06/12
Caesnake, DCDA, DC 2&3, EDD

I've gone back and put twins babies weights' on too quempin, in the spirit of nice chubby twins . I guess you'd just have to ask them to explain why they think 36 weeks is appropriate instead of 38??? I know what you mean, as you can't make them, and your care sounds otherwise great. You can ask if the consultant is in the clinic, and if they are you can ask to wait to see them personally. I saw a registrar last time, which was fine, and I'm sure the consultant wasn't there- never caught a glimpse of her, and you know how much hanging round there is in the waiting room for the scan and then the appointment! My consultant did say 39 too initially, and DCDA shouldn't go past 38...

Hello!

Well I wouldn'tbother with that book 'Double Trouble:Twins and how to Survive them'. Despite the negative title the reviews were quite good on amazon but I didn't find it told me much I didn't already know or wasn't common sense. As a first time mum I have no idea what I am doing and I was looking for something to help me work out what the heck to do with newborns and get the twins into a routine so we are not all driven insane. Don't think a silver bullet book exists - will get through with advice from here and anywhere else I can get it I guess!

Dream congrats on two boys!! I know what you mean about regretting slightly finding out the sexes, I felt that a bit too but am really glad we did - really for the practical and mental side of preparing!!

BB3 belated happy birthday (sorry I haven't been on for a while) how was your night out without the babies - were you expressing in the cinema??

Welcome carriein how are you feeling now? I am so sorry you are suffering so badly with sickness, sounds horrible but hopefully a bit under control with the drugs and it that it won't be for too much longer.

Twin Woo hoo!!! Congrats on the birth of the girls, how lovely. Great weights and sounds like your CS experience was pretty good. Am tempted.

Claire so pleased you are home from hospital and didn't have to stay in for weeks. Interesting that an internal scan picked up short cervix issues. Didn't know that could be a problem (something else for me to worry about?? )and here in the UK we certainly don't get internal scans as routine. I know that my cervix is wonky/ squint. A nurse or two has seemed to take ages to even find it during smears!! Wonder if that will make any difference.

Welcome ceasnake - how very special and unusual re having your beans 2 weeks apart!!

Quemp it is funny that we often have the same things going on - guess coz we are so close in dates.

So I am on maternity leave now!!!! Except for having to do a couple of hours on Monday afternoon as I didn't manage to do everything I needed to do before I left the office on Friday despite staying til 7pm. Ah well! So I worked until 31+6 in the end, it was ok but last couple of weeks sitting at a desk all day was really getting to my back and I couldn't travel much, worked from home a lot, couldn't work much more than 9-5pm (in my job 50hrs + more typical) and I was feeling guilty that I was doing 35hrs max.

Got my baby shower tomorrow - excited to see my friends and family (well the female contingent anyway) and eating lots of cake and thinking and talking lots about the babies! The presents bit is a bit wierd though. FInd it strange to be receiving gifts before they are safely here, and without DH. I few of my older relatives are struggling with the concept too but we will give it a whirl!

Got my 32 week apt on Monday and like you Quemp want to discuss the birth etc. No HCP has really talked me properly through the differences between a singleton and twin natural birth so I think I am going to be PITA and ask loads of questions. DH offering to come in with me so we can discuss it together and he can be the persistant one who won't let go until we have all the info we need did anyone else take OH's along to apts (other than scans of course)?

Don't mind going to 38 weeks, but looked at those NICE guidlines and it ways 37 weeks for DCDA. Also our NCT teacher said that it takes on average 7 years for guidlines to become consistent and common practice in hospitals etc. Really????

oh god, don't remind me of the Baby Whisperer!!!!! I was lent that when DD was 5 weeks old and totally nocturnal, night and day all mixed up.... tbh, most of what I read got me into a state about the fact that I couldn't get my baby into the right pattern or routine...I felt like a Very Bad Mother when the baby whisperer- where you can look up your baby's 'problems'- told me the issue was Complete Lack of Routine or similar- when I was trying so hard to build one! Plus it told me if I continued breast feeding her to sleep I'd have big problems trying to get her to self soothe, and the routine is EASY- Eat, Activity, Sleep, You-time. Well, she always fell asleep feeding, and if I roused her that was it, cranky, over-tired awake baby, and it just didn't work for me. I bf to sleep til 8 or 9 months, and it naturally turned into self settling- maybe I was lucky, but it has happened like that for friends too, but I was so worried about this rod for my own back I was making (yet still desperate for her to just go to sleep, and once fed to sleep at night, she slept through and I walked her in a sling for daytime naps- not great I know, but she sleeps in her cot fine now). They all say the same kind of thing- from the very rigid Gina Ford, to the Baby Whisperer, to the No Cry Sleep solution. It was all about regularity, keeping to the same patterns, and your baby knowing what to expect. We did/do rigid bedtime routines, at the same time every night, and have since she was tiny, but I couldn't do it for days or I couldn't go anywhere, I was literally stuck in the house for naps, no time to go to any groups or activities, nip to town etc etc as it all clashed with when she 'had' to be in her cot. Anyway, enough about that- all I mean raven and quempin , is read them by all means, but don't worry if it doesn't work out as the books say it should/will. And I was told at my bf workshop before I had DD that Gina Ford is the biggest barrier to successful breastfeeding, as bf babies need to feed more on demand to establish milk supply etc etc.

The differences with singleton and twin birth as far as I understand from my appointments is the twin 2 part- small risk of their placenta coming away too early and hypoxic brain injury, contractions after twin 1 is bon going into 'placenta delivering' mode so need syntocinon to get them going to get twin 2 out, twin 2 turning after twin 1 born, so having to try and turn them, or assisted breech delivery. I don't fancy that, having had my third degree tear, so if they're not both cephalic, I will have a CS I think.

50 hour weeks raven . Amazed you lasted til 31+6 then!!! Enjoy your mat leave, do lots for you before they arrive!

Hope you're feeling a bit better quempin

Hey ladies

quemp print them out and say to your registrar that you are sorry to be a pain (yeah right but it warms them up a bit) but you don't feel comfortable pushing delivery too far past 36 weeks because of the potential risks and as the nice guidelines clearly state 36 weeks for Id twins you would feel more comfortable sticking to their guidance and delivering then. If they push for 38 weeks ask them to put in writing why they are not following the guidelines set so that you have written reassurance that your babies aren't at risk. I've found through experience when you ask people to put reasons in writing they back down because they are being held to account. Please don't feel nervous about being boulshy, these are your babies and if you're not comfortable waiting until 38 weeks then don't accept it.

raven yay for mat leave, in with you on the 50 hour weeks and felt like a real slacker the last couple of months. I made it to 34 weeks but only because I worked from home from 28 weeks only trekking to London on really important days. I had a lovely b'day thanks didn't express during film but was bursting by the time I got out!

Went to work night out last night and was chatting to lots of people about returning and times roles etc and found myself getting really, really upset and uncomfortable - woke up today feeling really disturbed and not sure why!! but between that and the tiredness (lack of sleep rather than the one alcoholic drink I had!) I've been a moody mare today!!

Hope everyone is ok

quempin, thats what katy did I think- the top 'twin consultant' at her hospital was saying he'd let her go to 38 weeks or beyond with her ID girls, but she took the printed guidelines to her next appointment, didn't see him and got her date booked for 36+3. So it says on her other thread in pregnancy, I'm sure...

Oh bb3, that's a shame, I hated the thought of going back to work for so long, and couldn't think about it without getting tearful. I'd make a loss with the childcare on 3 under 3 if I had a year off and went back, so it doesn't even look feasible for me. To work for a loss to keep my career, for a good 6 months, and then to work for very, very little, with three LO's... Real dilemma there for me. Tiredness and hormones will be adding to it all I'm sure... xx

See I know I want to go back to work (timing wise I'm less sure) but it's to what job and what company - things change so much while you are off and then I just don't know if the new me with my new priorities fit back where I was before, so feel a bit lost. Think I'm going to try and meet with one of my bosses before Xmas and chat it through and just be honest with him and myself. Anyway that's not important now!

quemp print them and take them even if you don't use them they will be reassuring in your bag.

As for bf just see what happens I've seen friends determined to bf not able to and those who were sure they didn't want to find it really easy, you just do whatever is right for you and blow what anyone else says / thinks. Depending on the twins' weights they may well be topped up with formula whilst in hospital so my view was just give it a go if it doesn't work then there's nothing wrong with formula. Although it is very sore the first few weeks until your nipples get used to it!

And no one knows what they are doing first time around (or second or third for that matter as every baby is so different), so don't panic, it will take time (and lots of tears) to figure it out but you'll get there and it will be with a routine / process that works for you - even if it contradicts what the experts say. Don't panic when they arrive you'll just get on with it and suddenly you'll be doing it automatically without even thinking!

I agree- I was clueless with dd. I had no idea how much she 'should' nap etc etc. In the end, for me, she was so nocturnal and slept so much better in the day I just ended up with my 'routine' being wake her every two hours in the day to bf (in the get-the-calories-in-in-daylight approach) and did the bedtime routine. Then bedtime clicked for her at 9 weeks and night sleep dramatically improved and I couldn't get her to sleep in the day!!! Which led to much sling-walking for months and months. No book would recommend that I'm sure but its how it ended up working for me! She's fine now. Well, she was.until recent illness, can't get her to go to bed at night now, but as she had done it for so long I'm praying its a very long blip.

Katy is posting in 'quick help needed please' in pregnancy, I'm on phone so can't link, but one post is stress over the 38 weeks and beyond and says she's printing the guidelines, the next she has a date!

bb3, I want to go back to work in some ways, but don't know how practical it is,plus is make a loss as I said, and if I quit, I lose my registration after 2 years then would I ever get re-trained and get a job at interview against someone who hadn't had a break in their career? I'd say doubtful for me as there's only two places I could work locally so not many jobs and fierce competition. I'm worrying about it already... I hope your talk with your boss goes well, its always nice to know your options.

Hi all

Have been lurking for weeks but by the time I have caught up on all your news I don't have time/brain power to then post myself!! thinking of you all though. And welcome to all the newcomers.

So it's 5.30am and I've been up for half an hour, after waking at 4.30 and just lying there wide awake. Am getting a little bored of sleeping badly. Between waking to go to the loo every 2 hours and waking a couple of times for the most incredible acid reflux (sorry for tmi) nights are becoming as much of a chore as they were when dd was little!! Still, only 6 weeks to go...

Am glad to report that we have running water in the kitchen (and worksurfaces) for the first time in 9 months, and the decorators have PROMISED that they will be in this week to sort out the twins room (after I may have played the overly-emotional, heavily pregnant lady card a little strongly...) so am hoping that the end is in sight. DH has been quite unwell recently and therefore less able to progress house stuff as usual, so I was starting to freak out that we would have twins in SCBU and be living in a building site. Think we are going to be ok though. [tempting fate if ever i saw it!!]

Am 32 weeks today and have scan and consultant appt this week. I say consultant... so far has only been registrars and no interest in me from them at all as so far very straightforward pregnancy (aside from protein in urine at last 2 checks for no obvious reason). Have had no conversations at all about birth plan/timings/local policies around twin birth and am planning to start trying to pin them down this week. Have decided to push for natural delivery and have found a doula to act as advocate during the birth... felt we needed a little extra support as am feeling very much on a conveyor belt with no consideration being given to the fact that I am an individual and will have my own views as to how I want the births to be managed. Need babies to stay in until 38 weeks though to have any chance of challenging any of the standard treatment plan though by the sound of things so legs firmly crossed. (Which obviously leads to total over-anxiety that every twinge is a contraction in the making!)

Sorry this post is all me-me-me but do not have the brain power to remember everyone's news. Hope everyone is ok though. That said...

Dream - re dd - have been told that coughs in LOs can often take 6-8 weeks to get fully better, and diarrhoea (in my very unfortunate experience with dd) can take 2-3 weeks to go away, even after them being recovered to all intents and purposes way before then. It's miserable though - feel for you.

Quempin - I am feeling very similar to you in terms of not wanting to be a PITA but also wanting to challenge what I am being told. I think you need to stick to your guns in a firm but fair way. Think BB3's advice (as always) re trying to get them to put reasons in writing is great. As for bfeeding - don't stress about it. Really don't. I actually found it very straightforward and it worked for me, but I have friends who couldn't/didn't want to and their LOs are just as healthy and happy as dd 3 years on. There is so much pressure on new mums to be doing the right thing - whatever that may be - and so much conflicting advice... just do what works for you. If you can bear to give it a go for the first few days so they get some colostrum I would try to as it is apparently a powerhouse of nutrients specifically targetted to your babies' needs, but at the end of the day you do not need to be putting pressure on yourself. Go with whatever works for you.

Raven - I didn't read anything when pregnant last time and am now trying to read a few things to understand a bit more about how to instil a routine early on. Am only halfway through first book (which I started in October!!) so no recommendations yet. But my advice would be not to take anything to heart too much - from what friends have said, it's great to use something like Gina Ford as a guideline but you will have to start each day fresh - it will not happen overnight - and from personal experience it is not worth beating yourself up about it. We ended up sleep training (controlled crying) at 9 months when I couldn't cope with feeding every 2.5 hours at night to get her back to sleep anymore (dd was an absolute nightmare sleeper and I had no idea at all what I was doing). It worked for us - and she has been much much better since (aside from when she was teething). Will not be leaving sleep training as late with the twins, that's for sure!!

Wow - monster post and nearly 6am. Must go and figure out how to apply for a school place for dd!!

Happy Monday all.

xx

Hello everyone,

Welcome to the new members znd welcome back to people we had bit heard from in a while. I read you all every day from my pisition on the sofa, but please apologiae if I don't piost insividual commdnts, as on iphone, and difficult to scroll up and down when writing msg.

I think Carrie asked if we had a spare room, yes we do, we've always lived far from our families (10 years in england then back to Italy but still more than 2 hours drive from them), so its imperative to have a guest/junk room. She'a going back nect weekend though anc my mil coming to stay for a week. We'll see how that goes...

seeing my gyno on wed and cannot wait, tomorrow will be a week since last seen by any dr, and am a but anxious now. Also I will know if this rest thing is helping at all ir do I have to prepare myself for very early delivery.

Also stressed out that my daughters room still complete mess, they used to have separate rooms, have volounteered to share, but need to rearrange everything as dd1s drawers and wardrobe still in what will br twins room. Its just really frustrating not to be able to do anything.

Ironically, I seem to feel better than most of you physically, very little heartburn and sleeping like a lig every night, despite resting all day! I just still have lugament pains, despite not walking at all(a part from sofa to toilet many times a day), wondering if maybe its linked to my cervix shortening? I'll ask the dr on wed.

I'm 29wks on thurs which feels like a much better number than 27!

I feel bad for those of you who are having trouble being heard from their medical carers, You have been given excellent advice already, so I hope you get listened.

Take care everyone, cxxx

why does no one tell you how frustrating it is after a c section, i feel great better than normal and want to start doing stuff notrunning a marathon but maybe a little jog every now and then but im still having to rest and take things easy so as not to split the sttches inside i suppose it was only just over two weeks ago but goodness its driving me mad. The girls sleep 3 hours between feeds and im so bored- also noone mentioned that my dd1 would no longer seem like a little girls anymore shes grown up so quick- where did thatgo x

Aw crap just did a big post and lost it!!!! Will be back later - can face a re-type quite yet!

wow twin, are you in fact super-mum?!? You are certainly making me want a CS now if you feel like running after 2 weeks, and are bored with looking after two babies!!!! Well done you! How are the girls doing? More info please! Are you still mixe feeding? How's bf going? do they wake up in the night at the same times? Don't suppose you feel like putting a picture of them on??!! (how many questions can I ask you!)

claire, 29 certainly is much better than 27, great stuff! Can you persuade your DH to do the furniture re-arranging ASAP? I know what you mean, it's hard to relax when there are things that need doing, and at least if you feel 'ready' in case the twins do turn up early you'll be able to relax more. Plus, if you get ready for them dead quick, ina they-can-be-here-any-dy panic, surely that means you'll go to term?! Persuade him with that scientific argument...!!!

I think the heavily-pregnant and emotional card was well worth playing tabbycatt, great you've got water and work surfaces! Does this mean you can cook in the kitchen again? I feel sorry for you with the rubbish sleeping and reflux. I am already swigging gaviscon out of the bottle at night, but it so far goes away in the middle of the night... Hope you get a date soon. I was told I could have a natural delivery at any point- in fact, especially if I did go into prem labour as they'd be smaller and easier (concern is assisted delivery after a third degree tear meaning re-tearing as I'll have so much scar tissue from last time). Just looked at stats thread and seen am having DCDA boys, same as you! I feel very lucky to have delivery discussed at every appointment- even as far as saying it would probably be Wed 4th April as no ELCS booked for Good Friday (and they don't do them on a Thurs- just Wed, Fri, and every other Tue at my hospital). I find it much more relaxing- though have seen a different doctor both times, so may just find another disagrees at my next appointment!!! I have decided I don't want a planned breech delivery so unless they're both in the right position, I think I will go for CS. Also impressed at your logical and well written post so early!! I don't think I function that early.

And thank for the re-assurance on my dd. Her tmmy seems to be finally settling down- no diarrhoea for 2 days, though she's just as chesty... She had given up even going to sleep in her cot for me for her naps over the weekend- I was on the point of despair, especially as it took til 9pm to get her to go to sleep last night. We mostly left her to it, but she doesn't go to sleep if she's not happy- she cried on and off, whinged, stood up and lay down (can hear her over the monitor) etc etc until we gave in and cuddled her to sleep at 9pm. I just wish I knew where we'd gone wrong, or that someone can tell me for definite its a phase which will be over by the time the twins arrive!!!

I had loads of really strong braxton-hicks in bed last night, quite uncomfortable. Managed to get myself into a panic they'd progress into prem labour... (of course they didn't). I will be so relieved to get to the 24 week mark at least, but much better, the 26 and more week mark!!! (saying that, on the other hand I feel like I'll go on forever some days with no chance of prem labour...!). My bump seems to have slowed down on the growth side- I think I should probably just enjoy it til the next spurt, but it gives me another thing to worry about. I measured 22-23 weeks at my 20+0 week appointment, and everything was fine!!!! Hopeless I am...

oh, and TMI I'm sure.... but does anyone have any problems with varicose veins?? In an unmentionable place!? I'm only 20 weeks too... at my consultant appointment they said it's bump weight plus massively increased blood volume of twin pg and hopefully they'll go after the birth... (Hopefully!?!?). Very sore when I stand up, not so bad walking, got to be careful how I sit... . And hardly something you can say to your friends/ colleagues- hang on a minute, my vulval varices are killing, need to sit down!!!!!!!!! And if you did and have had the babies (looking at bb3 and twin etc) please tell me they've all gone now!!!???

twin I felt exactly the same after my cs could lift ds no problem, walk up and down the village, clean the house (when no one was looking) then about 2.5 weeks in went to a works BBQ stood for most of the night and split my scar (just from standing) and sweet lord did that hurt like hell - only about 1cm on one side but was completely out of action for three days. I am all for cs's as I recovered much quicker than my natural delivery but you do have to take it easy! How old is dd1 again? I found it really strange looking at my baby boy after the twins arrived who at 2 seemed to have turned into a giant, huge face and hands and feet. It settles down again and they stop seeming so big in proportion!

dream you officially win the prize for biggest worry wart but it's completely normal and everything you are describing sounds part and parcel of a twin pg so don't worry too much!

quemp I've been off for three months and girls are 11 weeks so theoretically have 9 months before I have to go back to work but my job isn't the sort of career you can take a whole year out of so was thinking about 5-6 months and then working from home (one day in London) and then working myself up to three days a week in the office when the girls are a year old. Financially I can't justify going back part time so it's all or nothing iyswim just hoping bosses are happy for me to work from home so much (i did with ds but not for as long) and hope there is a role for me that progresses me at the same time (my problem is i want too much from it all, to progress in career, retain seniority but still be home with kids!)

dream ds' bday Is 4th April

I just took all three kids out for a walk and it's freezing!! Glad to be home in the warm again x

I didn't have any but someone did on my an thread and they've all gone I think x

Yeah I'll never work 5 days in London again (it's two hours door to door so a 4 hour return journey) and it's not fair on the kids. I went back 4 days and one at home with ds but with three think they extra day is important so I can be at 'home' until 9.30 each day and back home with the kids from 5 ish. I know there will be some weeks it'll be impossible but I'd like to try and do it that say if bosses agree. But it's finding a role that you can do from home without taking a step backwards (or even sideways). Anyway we will figure it out I suppose!