Due Nov - This is it girls!! whos next to pop??

[Busyalexsmummy]

Here we go!

hi all,
just a quick question.I have bought some arnica cream, thought i could rub it on any bruising after the c/section.The only thing is it says do not use if pregnant/breastfeeding??????
do you rekon it will be ok to use?????
twinkle

Twinkle - my arnica cream just says to take advice if preg/BF. I thought it said that on everything! I use it on the kids all the time. Never thought about using it post section, tho am going to take arnica tablets again. They are safe during BF for sure as I checked last time.

If you are woried about any drugs during preg and Bf i recommend the kellymom webite - silly name but its a very scientific site. AFAIK the thing that matters in Bf is the blood to plasma transmission rate of the drug. Most things you apply to your skin are safe, as only a tiny bit gets absorbed into your skin and none into the blood.

Its here

kellymom

I found this really helpful when I had to have some dental work done under sedation when DS1 was about 7 months old. Dr said to ask dentist, dentist didnt have a clue but said just to wean him!!! He then changed his advice to "pump and dump" but website said it was fine and it was! I came home, fed the baby and I slept off the sedation. Baby wasnt even slightly drowsy. believe me, he is a child who could do with a bit of sedation

Hello all - is it okay for refugees from the October Antenatal thread to join in? I was due 22 Oct but am now booked for induction on Friday 4 Nov. I am hoping baby arrives before then, but no signs presently.

welcome granny goose
how do you fel about the induction?
is this your first baby?

HI all, joining you, from october although waters broke last night nothing is going on. Have been to hospital and they checked me over for an hour and said go home and we will prob see you back in a few hours but nothing has happened not even a twinge!!!
If theres no action by 8am tomorrow i have to go into be induced suppose this is due to waters going.
GG I feel for you think we are only 2 left from oct.
Good luck

HI El - sounds like something is happening for you...lucky bean.

KM - this is my first baby and I dont particularly want to be induced as I fear that this may lead to more and more intervention. I wanted a physiological birth as far as possible, and a waterbirth if this suited. However, whatever happens, I am staying positive....

I am totally bored at home on my own since I have been on maternity leave for 4 weeks now. Freezer is full, house is tidy, paperwork is done...only thing missing is baby.

Arghhh!!!Just lost a post that took me ages!! Lots of philosophical stuff about impending births etc...Oh well...Thanks Rodeo/Nova for arnica advice - will start taking from next week;no instructions, so will take Rodeo's dosage! BTW had weird dream last night about us all meeting up in NEC Birmingham, in a dog-show type setting.No-one could identify anyone else or remember names etc, but we didn't seem to mind, and just drifted along (there were about 200 of us!). Well, am going to read Heat mag, and eat jammy dodgers,as feeling terrible sense of dread at moment about birth.I can't take it in that it has to happen,and soon! (and this is my 3rd!)
Diege

Hi Londoner! Congratulations on your baby! When I had my show I remembered that you went into labour same day! But I know it doesn't necessarily mean anything... BTW which washable nappies are you using?

Karma - here's my favourite bit - 'God is our refuge and strength, an ever-present help in trouble. Therefore we will not fear, though the earth give way and the mountains fall into the heart of the sea, though its waters roar and foam and the mountains quake with their surging'

JenJam - OK since you asked... last week's was like a snotty bit of jelly, yellow and slimy, and today's was bits of pinky mucus plus a big glob of blood in toilet, plus brownish spotting afterwards. If that's TMI - you asked for it!! It's funny tho' cos the books and internet don't really say about there being more than one time of something like that.

Elclose - that's something I've been worrying about - what if my waters break and nothing happens - I REALLY don't want to be induced cos I can't have my homebirth then . but they say in the guidelines of something or other that you CAN stay 96 hrs b4 being induced after waters breaking, but I'm a bit nervous about suggesting that if it happened. Are you just going to go with the flow and do what they say?

Grannygoose - can you pretend you got your dates wrong?!!!! You know they will let you go over longer if you say you want to, from what I've read - or you can just not turn up to the induction too

Beartime - do you mean the NICE guidelines or maybe the Royal College?

NICEguidelines

royalcollege guidelines

the NICE guidelines - at least the homebirth website quoted them as saying 96 hrs anyway.

Hey thanks for the link - here's the bit I was talking about, copied and pasted from the guidelines:

Sometimes a woman's waters break before labour starts. This happens in about one in twenty pregnancies and is known as prelabour rupture of the membranes (or PROM). When this happens, about nine out of ten women will go into labour naturally within twenty-four hours. The longer the time between PROM and the birth of the baby the higher the risk of infection to you or your baby.

If you are more than 37 weeks pregnant and your waters have broken but you have not gone into labour you should be offered the choice of either:

? Induction of labour
OR

? A "wait and see approach" to see if labour will start naturally
As a wait and see approach carries a slight risk of infection, you will need to:

check your temperature twice a day
check for changes in the colour or odour of your amniotic fluid ("waters")
check for any other signs of fever (e.g. shivers, flushing)
If you have not gone into labour after, at most, four days induction is strongly recommended.

If your waters break before you go into labour, your chances of having a caesarean section will not be increased by choosing either induction or "wait and see".

So can you use that to say you want to wait?

first of all big CONGRATS to LAYLASMUM on the birth of SETH

and welcome to the October dd mummies; although don't know how good it's going to make you feel lots of the november babies seem to be popping out early

errr bear yes i am sorry i asked; got terrible reflux keep burping up sick - almost vomited when reaqding about yellow sn*t . birthing is an ugly business and i'm still blissfully ignorant about lochia...

have had a wonderful pm - dp took the afternoon off after my bathroom 'freak out' early this morning (aaah he is so loveable right now - i'm so lucky - or is this more hormone trickery??) we spent the afternoon eating in the park with the sun on our faces watching all the people pushing thier babies; and snoozing together....so i'm feeling MUCH better now. thank you all for your helpful words of reassurance.

Actually that was the info for pregnant women - the guidelines say:

Induction of labour in the presence of prelabour rupture of the membranes (PROM)

Prelabour rupture of the membranes (PROM) occurs in 6-19% of term pregnancies.
The risks of PROM at term relate to maternal/neonatal infection and prolapsed cord. Epidemiological data on time interval from PROM to spontaneous labour suggests that most (86%) women go into spontaneous labour within 24hrs of rupturing their membranes. The rate of spontaneous labour after this is about 5% per day.
As the time between the rupture of the membranes and the onset of labour increases, so do the risks of maternal and fetal infection. Induction of labour reduces these risks.
Women with prelabour rupture of the membranes (PROM) at term (>37 weeks) should be offered a choice of immediate induction of labour or expectant management. A

Expectant management of women with prelabour rupture of the membranes at term should not exceed 96 hours following membrane rupture. A

Sorry hope I haven't bored you too much!

Glad you're feeling better JenJam!

granny goose and el - i was given these 'top tips to help induction from a doula, have you tried them?

long walks
climbing stairs
think baby down/out
confront worries about birth
nipple stimulation
sex
baby positioning
knee to chest uterine lifts
bach flower remedies mimulus, aspen, white chestnut
evening primrose oil orally and vaginally
borage oil vaginally
cumin tea with potato
curry
pineapple
blue and black cohosh labour tincture(herbs i think)
acupuncture
reflexology
sweep of membranes
castor oil
prostaglandin gel
artificial rupture of membranes
syntocinon

list gets progressively more interventionist - i have heard acupuncture and reflexology can work well..

Beartime, thanks for the info i was given an info sheet by the midwife who examined and then sent me home last night which is almost identical to the letter what you said, but they have a 24-36 hour policy on induction thats why i have to go in tomorrow morning at 8am for induction. Just worried a little that if it doesnt work might have to have a section!
Not worried about induction as was induced with dd1 at 14 days over with no probs had a quick 4hour back to back labour which is supposed to be more painfull.

Hi all thought i'd pop back on and let you all know how things went!!
labour started about 9pm saturday wih twinges but managed to go to sleep and sleep till about 4 am pains then woke me but i still thought it was just wind!!
DH rang midwife who came out to the house around 7;3o i was then around 5 cms dilated and not in too much pain.
Things progressed well and 2nd midwife came around 11:00 started using gas and air around 11:30. Managed to get through 2 cylinders of gas and air and there was none left for the actual delivery so that really was au naturel!
waters broke at 12:55 and started pushing straight away baby Seth was born at 1:07 pm in a bit of a hurry, tore but didn't need stitching thank god!!
He's really beautiful, feeding well, big sister is smothering him with affection , all in all we are pretty chuffed with our selves!!

Will try and post some pics at some point - will get DH to do it

Evening all.

Thanks for the list, jenjam. I suspect I may need to refer to it in due course. Sounds like you had a lovely afternoon with DP.

Hi to the Oct ladies. I'm due on the 25th so I'm sure I'll be popping into the Dec ladies thread.

Beartime, thanks for the info. The problem with PROM is you can't use the sex method of bringing on labour, although it sounds like the ideal time to do it, IMO. Get those prostoglandins right where they need to be!!!

Chacha, your friend sounds like she's got it sussed. I like the sound of the 2 hour baking slot. Those of you expecting your first baby have yet to discover the joy that is baking naff cakes with a 3 yr old. Don't worry if your culinary skills are non-existant, they'll eat any old crap as long as it has coloured icing & chocolate sprinkles on it.

On that note, back into the kitchen for me. One of the good things about living in the country is all the great farm shops locally. Got some fab beef yesterday (from Dexter cows who are very happy, apparantly) & we're having a pot roast tonight. It looks like that very expensive range of beef in Sainsbury's that has Jamie Oliver's name on it, but not quite so expensive. Well, if I'm going to have heartburn I might as well have a hearty meal first!!

Catch up with the news tomorrow.

Isn't it funny how policies are different in different areas, you would have thought with it being all NHS they would all say the same. Like offering induction at 41 weeks - that's what the NICE guidelines say, but my midwife says our hospital will refuse to induce you until 42 weeks unless there's a clinical reason! (Which I'm glad of).

Laylasmum - wasn't it hard to stop the gas and air? I'm thinking if there's a risk of that happening I'd almost rather not start it to begin with as it must be quite a shock to the system!

Elclose - how does induction lead to section? Is that just if it doesn't start working?

Thanks Busy for new thread and welcome to the refugees from the October group, hope you are not too fed up.

Elclose - last time my waters broke and nothing happened. It was 24 hours until they induced there so we had to get things shifting as I wanted to be in the pool. We were told by the midwife to go home and try ALL the 'getting a baby started' things including sex. Thankfully didn't have such an enormous list as that would have taken over 24 hours. Tried all we knew and something worked as labour stared on its own in under the 24 hour deadline. Hope it works for you.

Laylasmum - well done for getting story up so quickly and what a great name. My only concern about the homebirth is the gas and air running out. I LOVED it last time and refused to let anyone else near it, nearly bit DH hand off when he went to hold mouthpiece for me as I changed positions at one point
Was your Dd in the house when you delivered? We have about 10 contingency plans depending on time of day/day of week/etc. Just hoping that bit works out as really we don't have one reliable person we can count on regardless.

Oh my goodness Jenjam - that's the longest list I have seen for ages

I have tried some of them, but others sound most unpleasant (borage oil vaginally????? - do you administer with turkey baster?)

I dont want to put too much pressure on myself, so will adopt a wait and see attitude.

Bear - I know that I can refuse to be induced, but at this point, I really do want my baby to arrive. I am not of the "get the baby out" school, but I feel like I have been waiting for ever! Besides - the constant calls from family and friends is driving me batty.

That's OK - I will do the same if it gets to 42 weeks - esp. since I've also read about people's placentas given out and losing their babies after that time, though I know its rare.

I think there should be a law against ringing to find out if you've had a baby yet

Oh girlies I'm getting nervous, reflux killing me and I'm so tired all the time. Still I'd rather not go yet as I don't feel ready - been off work over a week now and done nothing worth doing.
Will keep posted for new arrivals.
take care everyeone and good luck
Sharon 37+4