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November 2011 - holding hands, making plans & having scans

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TerrysNo2 · 17/03/2011 10:03

Thread 2 for the chatty lot. Welcome from the first thread and hopefully some newbies too! Smile

This thread is for chats and this thread is for stats!

Continue as you were....

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dirgeinvegas · 11/04/2011 20:12

The thing is bump there are more risk factors for another tear in hospital. The worst that can happen at home is a transfer to hospital for anything greater than a 2nd degree. But I have a 95% chance of not needing to go anywhere. I think if I go into hospital I'll be so afraid my labour will stall, I'll need intervention and end up tearing again.

Is anyone elses sickness worse in the evening? I thought I was ok but I feel dreadful now.

bumpandisaacsmum · 11/04/2011 20:22

Dirge if I were you I would definitely speak to another MW (or even head of MW as ali did) as you obviously have done your research and are fully aware of the risks and what you want; make as much fuss as you need to, it is your pg & delivery and you need to feel safe and relaxed. I definitey would have made a fuss if my MW was anti-homebirth!! FX'd for you x x

chipmonkey · 11/04/2011 20:28

Dirge, I think you may have the wrong MW. You need someone who is pro-HB.

I go through phases where my MS is worse in the evening but not all the time.

Welcome, Wish!

alicat10 · 11/04/2011 20:33

I'm not usually a trouble maker Wink - my DS was growth restricted (only 5lb 5oz at 42 weeks) and was in NICU for a fortnight so when I got pregnant with DD I had a debrief with the consultant who was responsible for me 1st time round (only the labour bit as I was low risk until then) to talk through my 'issues' and loss of confidence in myself to know when something was wrong and the MWs (could they have spotted something) etc. All through 2nd PG I did not cease to be impressed about how much emphasis was put on my (mental) wellbeing as well as welfare of baby - even my admittance the day before DD was born was largely due to my anxiety levels.

TwoJackRussellsandabean · 11/04/2011 20:44

Poppet and bump,

thanks for your reassurance am trying not to worry, have my scan on 27th anyway so no point worrying too much until then, so long as things don't get worse.

alicat

Not used a doppler, but have been googling using a stethoscope, but apparently they don't really work until at the earliest week 18. But hopefully it'll work really well for you :)

Staceroo · 11/04/2011 20:47

Re homebirths... hadn't even considered it myself until mw mentioned it. And to say she was pro-homebirth is an understatement! They really push for them here, apparently the area I live in has the highest rate of homebirths in the country.

They said there's a lot of positives, as you are more relaxed in your own home it gets all the hormones going and relaxes everyting. You get less drugs, and are less likely to need stitches etc.

Though she did say slightest sign of anything slowing down or not going to plan and they call the ambulance.

We are thinking about it, as we do live close to the hospital so wouldn't be as much of a risk waiting for an ambulance, and it would be lovely to be at home, but worried about the risks. So may go to hospital as it's my first.

Big decision though! Glad I've a few months to think about it!

Feel bad for those of you suffering with ms, especially you wish being on your own :( . I've been lucky I guess, feel really nausious all the time, but not actually been sick once yet.

TwoJack I don't think you should be too worried, it sounds just like what I had, but mine was at about 7 weeks. From what I've heard on here, the general theme is, brown is OK!! At least you don't have long to wait for your scan to put you're mind at rest!

ochaye · 11/04/2011 20:48

Thank you SO much all of you for your kind words. But pleeeeeease don't think this is an unlucky thread. There has been so much good news recently. There are just lots of us! And I've been on other threads before that have lots of bad news in the early days. It's just the way of it and in some ways, it's comforting not to be alone.

dee - if you feel up to it I'm over on the thread that cep has recommended. I've been on there before and it really is a huge comfort. Sorry you had such an awful night. I know how you feel Sad.

Terrys - you are so lovely Grin. I will be watching you!!!

Pipsbump · 11/04/2011 21:33

Hello,

I'm so sorry to the ladies that have had losses over the past few days, I'm thinking about you ...it just seems so unfair :(

Nothing new here, still tired. On the countdown to my scan next Tuesday, still terrified. DH is now on holiday until next Friday, it's nice to have the company, no shifts for over a week and then I'm off for 11 sleeps (bliss) and my Mum is coming down :o

I've had a strange pain down my left side late yesterday/today. It feels kind of like a stitch...I'm not in agony but it is uncomfortable, has anyone else experienced this? I am thinking of going to call the mw/gp tomorrow if it doesn't get better. Does anyone have any advice?

Hope everyone is ok, I'm watching OBEM

Take care as always ladies

Pipsbump · 11/04/2011 21:35

Sorry excuse my grammar Blush

Collie2 · 11/04/2011 21:36

Alicat I have ms throughout the day. Although the latest it's lasted till has been today, until my tea at 7.30. Sad most days it eases about 3/4pm though.

dirge you have obviously done your homework and know what you want/don't want so I'd either speak to your mw again, or someone else, like others have suggested.

The pro v's anti home birth discussion is very interesting. I never got to that far to think about it in my last pg, but my mw is/was very keen on home births. I live about 20 min drive from our hospital though so risk of complications worry me.

twojacks v brave getting a Doppler but I'm also a little Envy not sure I trust myself enough with one though. Let me know how you go on with it.

Collie2 · 11/04/2011 21:38

Alicat I have ms throughout the day. Although the latest it's lasted till has been today, until my tea at 7.30. Sad most days it eases about 3/4pm though.

dirge you have obviously done your homework and know what you want/don't want so I'd either speak to your mw again, or someone else, like others have suggested.

The pro v's anti home birth discussion is very interesting. I never got to that far to think about it in my last pg, but my mw is/was very keen on home births. I live about 20 min drive from our hospital though so risk of complications worry me.

twojacks v brave getting a Doppler but I'm also a little Envy not sure I trust myself enough with one though. Let me know how you go on with it.

Collie2 · 11/04/2011 21:39

Opps sorry for double post, dodgy iPhone

TerrysNo2 · 11/04/2011 21:39

Evening all - why are you always so chatty when I'm not about!! Smile

Hope you are all well. Not had a chance to read fully but skimmed. As for dopplers they do say from 10 weeks but almost everyone I know who has tried hasn't been able to hear anything then. IIRC with DS I picked it up at 13 and a half weeks. So please please don't let it stress you if you don't hear anything straight away!

Homebirths - I am going to try for one, again. Was unsuccessful last time in that DS was born in hospital but successful in that I got to do most of my labouring at home, and of course that he was born successfully!! Smile I have already been thinking about where to give birth and what we will do with DS. Although giving birth was the most horrendous pain I could have ever imagined with DS (sorry first-timers Grin) I actually can't wait to do the whole thing again!!

Got my booking in appointment tomorrow (I am 10+3 on my dates and 10+5 on hospital dates), I'm going to have to give blood and pee in a cup right?!?!

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cep · 11/04/2011 21:44

terry at my first one last time she took blood but didn't test wee. no idea what she's going to do at mine tomorrow, apart from take blood. I found that last bit when his head came out the worst. but then the little sod had his fists up by his face so he tore me.

Staceroo · 11/04/2011 21:46

I didn't get a cup... just a little strip of cardboard! Was very embarrased to give it back to the mw...after just dabbing it with a tissue Blush

Pips watching OBEM too... can't get enough of it! Started watching it b4 I knew I was pg anddh used to moan all the time, but last couple of weeks he's been home earlier from football and watching it too! Even asked me to pause it last week, while he took the dog out!

Wow how quick eas that baby just born!!!! Guess it's easier 5th time around!

Hopefully be us soon!!!

Folicacid · 11/04/2011 22:09

Evening all,

Did any of you homebirthers have a HB as a first time mum?

Just wondering....I'm tempted but scared. Wasn't offered home birth option at booking in with MW.

Folicacid · 11/04/2011 22:11

Here, you know, I'm really looking forward to us all moving on a bit so we can talk and plan a bit more. I've got loads of pram/buggy questions to ask the old hands at this baby lark...bet you can't wait Wink

TerrysNo2 · 11/04/2011 22:15

Folic DS was my first and I tried for a HB. I couldn't recommend it highly enough but its not for everyone. A big factor in my decision is that we are only 5 mins in the car from the hospital.

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chipmonkey · 11/04/2011 23:03

Folic. One word. Maclaren.

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 12/04/2011 07:59

Ooh folic I love talking about prams. I adore my iCandy and will be using it for this one. It is fab and still going strong 2.5 yrs on. It has a beautiful proper pram bit with a proper mattress which can be used as a carrycot at home.

Then it converts to a facing parent pushchair and finally facing out pushchair. It is not as common as a bugaboo and slightly cheaper so you do get a bit of the 'exclusivity' factor.
It's not as portable though, so for hols we use a maclaren. Like a workhorse but, imo, not as snuggly for a newborn.

Am very envious of those of you thinking about a homebirth. I would love one but think I have a fight ahead.

mashpot · 12/04/2011 08:29

I have my booking in appt with the midwife today. I usually pass out after giving blood so hope I avoid that today!

This is my first and I am going to try for homebirth - see how it goes...

Gosh I haven't even started thinking about prams etc, will be great to get to 12 week scan and get excited about these decisions!

bumpandisaacsmum · 12/04/2011 08:54

Due to my young age with last pg I was classed as high risk so HB wasn't an option (plus living in my parent's house the state of it would have made me say hospital even if I had the option!!!) In the end the birth was really easy, or felt like it was Hmm the MW did get Dr in at the end as pushing for longer than they like... but then when DS came out back-to-back with fist by his ear (awkward so-in-so, has never changed) it was no wonder it took a while to push him out!! They were worried re: tearing etc but none... was called a b**ch a few times by various MW in the post-natal ward (in the nicest possible way) due to the ease of it all Wink

Due to the lack of complications last time and not knowing much about the hospitals around me (apart from the statistics which show that they have higher than national average for interventions) I was keen to have a HB. I researched more into it and had to find enough info to reassure my DP!! When the MW was pro-HB my DP was sold and so as long as all is well we will have 1st HB for 2nd pg. Also helps as would have to find someone to have DS and someone to transport to hospital (DP only has motorcycle licence at present); therefore HB also makes plans a lot easier!!

As for pushchairs, I love looking at all the various ones but knew exactly what I wanted this time (DS had a hand-me down from my Auntie which was great but not car practical, then went through a few cr*ppy ones). Mamas & papas is definitely a brand I trust (was the one I was given for DS and he was the third baby to use it and it still felt like knew & friends have used theirs for multiple DC); I wanted one that lay-flat, faced parent & forward, needed to be suitable for all grounds and preferred an umbrella fold, not fussed on car seat part.... not too fussy!!! Well wasn't out looking for a pushchair specifically, but went into Mamas & papas when they had their 30yr anniversary sale and they had an ex-display which filled all the criteria at a great discount, that was it my partner was sold and brought it there and then and had a coule of accessories thrown in as well... so we have a mamas & papas switch pushchair :o We had looked at the i-candy and the my-choice from mothercare but due to the way they folded they would have been 2nd choice!!

bumpandisaacsmum · 12/04/2011 08:57

mash good luck with MW :) sounds strange but might be worth looking whilst MW takes blood... I encourage my patients to do so and they say that it helps; definitely mention to her and she should do it with you lying down, just in case!!

MrsArchchancellorRidcully · 12/04/2011 09:12

mash good luck with mw. I had to have loads of blood taken with 1st pg - you do get used to it!

One other comment to make to 1st timers re pushchairs. If you drive I would highly recommend a system that can have a var seat attached. The iCandy takes a maxicosi car seat so when DD fell asleep in the car we could just take the car seat out and pop it onto pram chasis and she stayed asleep! Saves waking them up which can be a godsend! Also we have the maxicosi with isofix so the car seat just slots onto the base, which stays permanently in the car. No fiddling with seat belts. It's little things like this that really make life easier. And pram shopping is so much fun!!

dirgeinvegas · 12/04/2011 09:31

MrsA join me in the fight! Grin

Thanks for understanding everyone. You really made me feel better.

I lay awake for hours last night thinking about what the midwife said. Did I tell you she also said 'and even if you get your homebirth if we say you have to transfer then you have to transfer no doing this and saying "no I'm having a homebirth no matter what" because your baby comes first'.

I won't tell you what I thought because it involves far too many swear words but I don't know one single mother who wouldn't transfer if needed or who doesn't put her baby first. Idiot. And that applies to any hb mum surely? My "increased" risk of tearing doesn't jeopardise the baby anyway.

I think I am going to have to look at indie midwives although we desperately can't afford one. DH has said if I really want one then he'll find a way .

I spoke to the SOM actually but only by chance. We moved to Cheshire from Yorkshire last year and just before I moved I called Sheila Kitzinger's Birth Crisis helpline. The woman I spoke to was a SOM in Manchester and was so lovely. She gave me loads of tips and said to call back when I'd moved. I never did because I thought she wouldn't remember me etc.

Anyway, here you self-refer to midwives over the phone and by chance I ended up speaking to the SOM here. She asked about previous birth problems and stopped me part way through telling her and said "You spoke to XX last year! I know about you! I have your name on a bit of paper in my bag, I knew you'd call one day". She was so lovely I cried. She said we need to make you aware of the risks but if you still really want a hb then we will support you". Apparently the woman I'd spoken to on the phone last year had called the SOM for the area I was moving to and told her about me, they'd included me in a regional meeting.

So I thought this MW would be ok but my worry now is that whoever lands on my doorstep when I'm in labour may also feel "twitchy" about my history and prefer to blue light me in at the first sign of slow labour where other women would be supported through it. I suppose I feel like I won't be given a fair go at it, just a token chance.

How soon do you call the MW for a HB? Do you leave it until the last minute like when going into hospital?

Terrys and Mash good luck today. Yep, they took blood and pee from me. They also explained the tests they do and offered me the choice between the Quad test and a Nuchal test. I also have to have a GTT for Gestational Diabetes in a few weeks. I don't see a MW now until 20 weeks though. I guess you see them more often towards the end.

Folic 2 friends of mine had fab home births with their first babies. It can be done. I think often women think they want to go to hospital first time to prove to themselves that they can do it and then next time they'll do it at home.

I was reading something on distance from hospital and it said being 30 mins from the hospital isn't neccessarily a worry. If you were in hospital and had an emergency they'd take a while to get staff together and prep theatre so you'd probably wait that long anyway and if your transferring in then they do all that while you're on your way so you don't necessarily lose out.

Cep ouch! My sister tore for exactly the same reason, he came out like superman!

twojacks my friend had a doppler and loved it. She acknowledged that sometimes she couldn't find a hb and so would spends ages searching scaring herself to death but on balance she was glad she had it.

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