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crumpette · 15/06/2010 20:56

This is a thread for anyone who has lost a child or been affected by the loss of a child no matter how big or small or how recent or long ago. We understand.

In memory of the light of my life, Lucia, and all of our little ones taken too soon. x

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peterpansmum · 03/07/2010 21:14

Phew - I've made it home in one piece (well just about) DS had a fab time which was my main reason for going but I just need to have a very loud SSSSSSSSSSSSSCCCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM and at the sheer ignorance of some of my nearest and (apparently) dearest who are able to talk incessantly about their children who are still alive but never once in the 24 ish hours i was in their presence mentioned Gregor. Except for my lovely dad who brought him into conversation at least a couple of times and made me feel like i'm not the freak they all think i am. It was like the 'elephant in the room the whole time' Add to that that my nephew today is EXACTLY the same age to the day the day that gregor died - its been a bloody weird weekend and it's only sat night.

Anyway, I'm back and never been so glad to spend the evening in my own home as i am tonight

woollyjo · 03/07/2010 22:12

Hi Lunatic thanks for posting, we are ok, its been a crap week but bearing up

xx

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peterpansmum · 03/07/2010 22:41

If they did notice they didn't say anything but i did talk to my dad about it and he admitted he wouldn't have a clue re the coincidence of the age but he was able to talk really openly about which of the others were like gregor and how he struggles a lot with his grief - I'm so relieved and pleased he will talk to me about grief (his and mine) but am equally scared of losing him too.

I do think they were avoiding the subject - how that can make it any easier i'll never know - and i was all out of energy from Fri morning's school stuff that i just wanted DS1 to have fun and i wanted to curl up in a quiet corner and sleep! talking of which i can hear my duvet calling xx

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lavandes · 04/07/2010 00:44

Just come home from evening out at a restaurant with friends, this is the first time we have been out with friends since Richard died. I had been dreading it all day, only said yes because they have been so supportive to us, but it was OK, no tears, I feel that I have 'jumped a hurdle'. Sounds silly but I am quite pleased with myself, (for a little while). Thank God for true friends. I am lighting a candle for you all tonight. xx

CazEM · 04/07/2010 00:55

Evening ladies,

PPM - Sounds like you've had a draining weekend and hope you can have a more restful Sunday? Dads can be so wonderful can't they.

Lunatic - thanks so much for sharing with me, it must've been really hard to tell your story again. You sound like you went through so much, to almost lose your life as well as your darling Daisy must be have been doubly frightening and so traumatic. Your experience sounds so simular to my Auntie - she had an abruption at 38 weeks, my cousin died and she almost died from the blood loss. I can't remember all the details as I was only about 13/14 when this happened and was sheltered from a lot of it. I've been thinking of my Auntie and Uncle a lot the last couple of weeks and I know us losing Belle has brought it all back fresh for them again - they have been excellent to us though and I find it really comforting that they truly understand where we are at the moment. The first funeral I attended was my cousins, and I've never forgotten that tiny casket, I just never thought I'd be facing another one - and my own tiny casket one day.

I can't fault the health professionals, hospital, MW, HV and GP offering lots of services and support - but I just feel I want a bit of space now, I've seen so many people in the last couple weeks with this infection and generally checking on me. They have all said I can ring/see them anytime, so we'll see how we go for a bit now. I think my next hurdle will be DH going back to work - a week Monday (12th), I'm already getting worked up about it and don't feel remotely ready to be on my own for 9 hours a day. I'm sure I'm only 'coping' at the moment because he's with me. HV said I can ring and arrange a visit for that day if I want too.

Today has been ok - we've kept busy all day 'distracting' ourselves - me and DH decided to go into Cardiff for a bit and ended up meeting 2 of our closest friends (from my uni) for a little while, decided after that we still didn't want to go back home quite yet so met our best man and gf in a beer garden for a few hours. They were all really good with us, particular friends I knew there would be no awkwardness with which is why we met with them, we were able to talk quite openly about Belle and told them to never be afraid to talk about her or to become a taboo subject, because although she wasn't known by many she was a part of us, was here, did exist and is our daughter.

The pub however might not have been the greatest of plans as after 2 glasses of wine and an archers and lemonade in the sun I needed to come home to bed for a sleep, and haven't long woken up - I wonder how many hours through the night I'll be awake now. We both felt the 'keeping busy, out the house and distracting ourselves' plan has been helpful for today though, I think we both found being able to talk about her and whats happened to our best friends helpful today too - we hadn't seen them other than the funeral since we had found out she'd died, its the first time we've attempted socialising and have otherwise been avoiding people who aren't our parents. (For the first few days, until I'd given birth I refused even see my inlaws)

I'm sure there will be other people in our lives though where we will become the 'elephant in the room' some of you have described for a while/forever and all mention of Belle/pregnancy/babies will be completely avoided around us.

My HV hit the nail on the head - our culture don't deal very well with grief as a society, we're expected to have a stiff upper lip, its a taboo subject, we don't talk about death too much. I guess that is so inbred in us because while we were out today I held it together, I smiled outwardly, I did all the things that are expected of me in public, I didn't burst into tears or panic on the outside - but all the while thinking, you people have no idea, inwardly I'm breaking apart but still able to keep up the face for the general public of the world.

I keep getting messages from people saying that we're being very strong - but that's because they haven't been allowed to see it any other way, they don't see us when the door has closed and we're at home. What else am I supposed to say when people keep asking "how are you doing at the moment?" - I just say 'ok I guess' - because saying 'how do you bloody think we are doing, we buried our baby girl Monday, we're doing shit, the world is blurry, we're struggling to remember what day of the week it is, and our hearts feels like it is quite literally breaking and it hurts to even breathe sometimes' is only going to make people feel awkward isn't it, and I suppose they are only trying to show their concern when they ask. I guess we just live in a country where everyone sweeps grief, loss and feelings under the carpet and there are lots of elephants.

I'll sign off now and stop thinking aloud. Night all.

shabbapinkfrog · 04/07/2010 08:54

Morning girls xx

Deemented · 04/07/2010 09:14

Morning ladies.

I remember those early days well. People saying 'Oh you're doing so well..' i really wanted to tell them to shut the fuck up... how could they not see how broken i was? I felt like inside i was made of glass that had been smashed into a million pieces, but that i had been painted onto the outside and i looked the same. I realise now that they didn't see how broken i was because they didn't want to - it was easier for them, it made them feel more comfortable. When they asked 'How are you?' I always answered 'Fine' because they didn't want to hear that actually i feel like i want to die to be with my baby, or that when i visit his grave i lie down on the earth so i can be as close to him as possible. They don't want to hear that at all.

I think this phrase is very apt

'When your husband dies, you become a widow, when your wife dies, you become a widower, when you're a child and your parents die, you become an orphan... but when a child dies... there are no words to describe you... that's how awful the loss is.'

Wishing you all love and strength today x

SassySusan · 04/07/2010 09:16

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CazEM · 04/07/2010 14:32

Sassy there is no surprise to me that you're not back at work... the surprise to me is that people already expect you to be? You are so right, people referring to us as strong, or brave definately means they are relieved we're holding it together infront of them! I've already decided I'm not going back until at least October. There was 4 of us due over August and September and I just can't face all those birth announcements after the summer holidays when one of them was supposed to be mine - I realise already how bitter and resentful this makes me sound. So I'm sticking my head in the sand and avoiding the situation instead. I don't think I intend to take the full maternity leave I was going too but I'm not rushing straight back after the summer holidays either. (I'm a teacher incase you hadn't guessed!)

So far today I got up at 11, managed to get washed and dressed 15 minutes ago and fighting the urge to go back to sleep.

Hoping everyone is having peaceful days.

shabbapinkfrog · 04/07/2010 16:40

Caz I was always tired but when I tried to go to sleep it was like falling through a black hole....very, very weird!

SassySusan · 04/07/2010 17:31

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CazEM · 04/07/2010 21:47

What an emotionally draining evening. We visited FIL and Step-MIL. I went to the toilet, while I'm in the toilet (and I guess then thought would be out of ear-shot), FIL complains to DH that he wasn't mentioned as part of our daughters funeral when other people were. I mean WTF???? Really? That is the priority, that is what matters? Anyway, DH didn't challenge his father initially, I'm shell-shocked (as is DH) and suggest we leave promptly afterwards, then on the way home completely lost the plot and become hysterical. I'm so angry. My daughter has been buried for only 6 days and all my FIL is concerned about is who got a bloody mention? My FIL has said many hurtful things over the years that have upset me, he is very insentitive at the best of times but this absolutely takes the piss.

DH has been back up his dads since because I/we were so upset (and is now home again) and said he had the most honest conversation with his father he has ever had, and is the one of the only times he's challenged him about the things he says. And what is really boiled down to is that DH's step-father was mentioned as part of the service. Our memories included that he'd literally finished painting her nursery the night before she died, and my FIL was pissed off he'd been referred to and referred to as Grandad, and went on about how blood was thicker than water. Again, I'm like WTF - some childish jealous reaction was important enough to complain about when we've just buried our baby? DH has told his dad that nothing in that service was set out to upset anyone but more to the point it wasn't about him or anyone else other than our precious Belle, our memories of her and she is all that matters.

FIL has apologised but I'm still furious and hurt, besides anything else all 6 of the parents, including the steps are equal as grandparents. How could we have it any other way?

No idea how I'm going to get past/over this one.

Sassy - Regarding maternity leave I have 6 weeks full pay, then 12 weeks on 50% pay with stat pay topping it up (bring to about 90% of my normal income) and then after that stat pay on its own.

I don't have anything helpful to say Sassy - but I understand your emptiness.

shabbapinkfrog · 04/07/2010 23:58

Oh sweetheart......I reckon that your FIL is about my age...in his 50's???? We are a weird bunch...although maybe he is older. My parents are in their mid 70's and worry and fret all the time that my DS1 is not married.

It sounds to me that none of your darling girls funeral words were meant to hurt anyone....none of them.

Im delighted that your DH has gone back to challenge the words that were spoken.

You are so very early on in the grief you are feeling for your lovely girl. If someone offered me a million pounds to go back to those times I would decline the offer. I hope that you know that we are all here to support you, and support each other. Every word that is spoken hurts in the very early years --- every single last word.

I am talking a crock of poo at the moment because I am searching for the right words. Tomorrow, when I am less tired and more 'normal' I will explain how I feel a little better.

Good night my dear friends and thank you xxx

shabbapinkfrog · 05/07/2010 06:09

Morning girls!

OMG I have had 3 hours sleep.

Its very, very warm and I woke up in the middle of a spectacular panic attack

SassySusan · 05/07/2010 09:11

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shabbapinkfrog · 05/07/2010 09:24

Im OK love - thank you.

I started having them about 5 years ago....went to the GP (I hate going and very rarely do) and had a very impressive one in the surgery .

He watched me have a meltdown and put me on beta blockers right away. They have worked really well but every now and then I have one. Will blame it on the menopause