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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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shabster · 21/04/2008 12:31

Moveit - how lovely a little boy. Ive had four and they are just so great - all mummys boys as well

dippymother · 21/04/2008 15:54

Sorry to hear about mums' bad experiences with the medical profession after losing DCs.

I had an embarrassing time when expecting my second baby and realised on my first visit to the hospital that they hadn't made any notes (Adrian died there but in a different ward obviously), and I had to go through what had happened. Then when I was admitted for the birth, an auxilliary recognised me from 2 years before (obviously hadn't read (or didn't have access to) my notes and said "I remember you, your baby had really blond hair and blue eyes, has he still got blond hair?".

Then, horror of horrors, I had his name down for playschool, wrote them a letter telling them what had happened, then guess what, when he would have been 3, they phoned to offer him a place!

I really don't know what the answer is, unfortunately I usually blub which embarrasses the person who made the blunder, so don't know who feels worse, them or me.

feedmenow · 21/04/2008 17:00

Amyjade, the sand flease thing is spot on! I have no idea what a sand flea actually is, but that explanation is a really good one. I might print it out and carry a few copies around with me to hand out to anyone who seems to need help understanding.....

ILTMIMI, we went and looked at a woodland site for Eris but it was completely unestablished and looked like a few rows of bare graves I'm sure it will be perfect as it grows but we decided against it as it was too dull for my baby.
Congrats on your news BTW! When is your due date? Have you given him a name yet?

Dippy, sad that the nurse wasn't aware of your loss, but kind of sweet that she remembered him anyway! He sounds like a little cherub, with the blonde hair and blue eyes...

Shabs, I am gobsmacked that someone could be so heartless Especially someone in a caring profession! It may have been fact that Gareth was "deceased" but surely there are a million more sensitive ways of updating records than doing what she did? And right in front of you too!!

I did the school tun today for the first time since Eris was born, so 6 weeks now. I've been dreading it because I have nothing to say to people and I know that they don't know what to say to me. I managed OK this morning (OK, we were running late so everyone else had already gone!. When I picked ds up this afternoon a few people came and gave me a hug, said hi, etc, so all OK. Got to dd's school. All OK there til one of the mums who is pg with twins came and asked me how it went, all excitedly. I floundered and asked how what went. She said "the baby". Poor woman, obviously was excited for me and had no idea what had happened. But I couldn't wait to get out of there and rushed the children along as quick as I could. I knew this sort of thing was going to happen but it really surprised me.

Oooh, kitchen timer is going off for kids dinner so must dash.....

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ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 21/04/2008 20:37

Hi FeedMeNow, I am due early/mid Sept and we have a name, but we aren't telling until our lo is born!

I guess it's been a hard day for you today, but it's also a big hurdle that you have got over. People's questions never get easier, but proving to yourself that you can (sort of) cope with it is a big thing in itself. I still panic if I am in a situation where anyone might ask me an awkward questions, but I'm getting better at it. I find the apprehension at being put in that situation is more often than not, worse than the actual situation - iyswim.

I'm waffling, but I hope you kind of get what I mean!

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 21/04/2008 20:38

Oh blimey, I've just realised how insensitive it is of me to mention on this thread that I am pregnant.

Am so sorry if I have offended anybody , I just didn't think. Many apologies xx

shabster · 21/04/2008 20:43

Move it - you are not being insensitive - I think if FMN didn't want to know she wouldn't have asked. Have you seen me answering for FMN

What happens on threads like this is that all sides of the story are told. All questions are answered. People are caring and thoughtful. Most important we are all treading the path of our 'circle of life.' We are all at different stages with different stories.

Im so sure you haven't offended anyone. Dont stop talking about your little lad - it gives hope for other people.

frasersmummy · 21/04/2008 21:15

Hi ILTMI

Another little boy... thats fab!! I remember the bittersweet feeling all too well

dont you worry about talking about your pregnancy ..I think on this thread more than many others we will all literally be praying for a safe arrival for you

well done on the school run fmn. Thats one of many firsts over and done with .. give yourself a pat on the back (and a large glass of wine)

shabster · 21/04/2008 21:19

FMN You did fab on the school run - it will get easier. I think trying to get back into some kind of routine is good - kind of gives you structure each day.

dippymother · 21/04/2008 23:31

FMN - well done for tackling the school run, you did really well, sorry that you met someone who "didn't know". If it's any consolation, when Adrian died it was 4 weeks before I returned to my part time job, and on my first day back someone asked me if I'd had a nice holiday! But it will get easier I promise, it's just that there may be a few people who may avoid you rather than come and say something to you.

Move it - congrats on your pregnancy, fingers crossed everything goes well.

Night night everyone.

shabster · 22/04/2008 07:53

Good morning my friends. Hope you are all ok?

TinkerbellesMum · 22/04/2008 15:10

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt, it's great to know that there is life after loss. People were always careful around me, especially as my neice is five days older than Lily-Hope. But you know it's not my niece I want, I was never jealous of other babies as much as I wasn't other adults. They're seperate people.

I do get jealous now having had a prem baby when I see mums with big bellies and get cross when they complain about still being pregnant or whatever the latest symptom is

feedmenow · 22/04/2008 16:38

ILYMIMI - I certainly didn't think you were being insensitive (as you've already been told by Shabs ) As FM said, we, more than anyone else, are all routing for you and the delivery of a healthy, happy little boy at the end of a long and uncomplicated pregnancy!

Even if we aren't allowed to know his real name, are we at least allowed to know his nickname? We thought Eris was a boy up until 22 weeks (and even then I wasn't convinced!) so she was called Kevin!

Shabs, did anything good happen on Jeremy Kyle today? I actually went in to work for a while so missed out on all the quality daytime TV

Tink, I know exactly what you mean about other babies being other people, and not the one you want. I have a little nephew born 12 days before Eris and I struggle more seeing all the baby things around than I do with seeing him. I can hold him and accept easily that he is a different little person, but seeing the bottles and the moses basket and stuff - well they could belong to any baby including my little princess so I actually find that harder.

I found out something really nice yesterday. I ckecked our Just Giving page and saw a donation on there for £50 from someone I didn't recognise. It turns out it is from my brothers workplace (the brother who is the father of my little nephew 12 days older than Eris). Apparently they had a little whip-round at his work or something. Neither me or dp have ever met any of them, and I am truly touched by their thoughts and generosity! We had also had a donation from some other people I don't know who turn out to be my mil's friends in Australia! I know I've said it billions of times, but I think it is a beautiful display of human kindness when people do things like this...

Just wanted to give you all pre-warning that I am likely to be here on Sunday ranting! Am out for a girls night on Saturday as a joint bday celebration for me and 3 friends who have bdays all around now (mines Friday incase anyone wants to bring me virtual cake!)and have discovered that someone who I don't particularly like will be there. She is very tactless and self-obsessed and I just know she will p*ss me off. And I feel fully within my rights to be as honest as I want, so am already anticipating a scene!! be sure to login on Sunday for the gossip!

One other thing (blimey, this is a long post), my parents have offered for me to have private counselling (hospital one can't see me for another 3 weeks still..) and have also offered to pay for me to go away. My dad told me really early on that they would pay for either dp and I to go somewhere or for me, dp and dc to go together. I haven't mentioned it since. Then today my mum suggested that I might like to consider going away alon for a weekend on a kind of spiritual break for some real me-time. I'm more drawn to the idea of going away with dp cos we are both suffering. What would you lot do; go alone, with other half or with everyone?

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ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 22/04/2008 20:45

Evening ladies. I am so glad I haven't upset people. Much like you all, I don't have a problem seeing Cole's little playmates, it reminds me that life goes on. But I'm also aware that not everyone may feel like that. So thank you so much for your generosity of spirit

We don't really have a pet name for the new baby, tbh it's always been baby (very unoriginal!)

FMN - I just think you have to sit back, take some time out and think about how you would like to spend your holiday. Regardless of other people's opinions, in your heart you probably know what it is you want to do.

Incase I don't get online for a few days, happy birthday for Friday, and hopefully I'll be here on Sunday to listen to your rant xx

shabster · 22/04/2008 23:54

Any ladies on Eris' thread - Triplets needs a bit of help. Her husband has had surgery today. Can anyone nip over to the multiples thread - it always starts D'ya ever. She really needs our help. She is one of us bereaved mums who has a husband who is really not very well.

FMN - Hiya sweetie..........just trying to rally the gang on Eris' thread to help out

TinkerbellesMum · 23/04/2008 01:02

FMN, say whatever you want to her and blame it on what you're going through ;) we have to get something good out of the bad times, right?

Talking about pet names. Lily-Hope was Bean. While I was pregnant I was reading about Anna Ryder-Richardson who lost her son at 20 weeks, she named him Bean (his real name). She has IC. When I found that out I felt a bit weird calling my bump "Bean". It was even more weird when she came at 20 weeks, then imagine how it was when they decided to test me for IC!

shabster · 23/04/2008 09:53

Good morning ladies.

FMN - about 6 oclock this morning I was wide awake. Went downstairs and out in my back yard for a sneaky ciggy

I have two massive pots full of forget me nots. They have all bloomed - what a lovely sight. I stood there saying Morning Matt, Morning Gareth, Morning Eris, Morning Fraser etc etc etc. I hope so much that my elderly neighbours didnt hear me. I know I have lost my mind but they think I am a normal person!!

My forget me nots are reminding me of all our lost precious children. It made my heart soar.

Hope everyone has a good day - a peaceful, calm day with, hopefully, some warm sunshine.

lottiejenkins · 23/04/2008 10:20

Can you say hello to Jack next time!! If you havent already! Its nice that you do that!!

shabster · 23/04/2008 10:25

Lottie - no problem whatsoever - My DS Tom (10yrs) has promised that he will paint all the childrens names on the pots. We have climbing roses as well down one wall and they all have significant names such as 'remember me.'

My friend, Nikos, in Rhodes, Greece, lost his brother two years ago in a road accident. His brother loved red roses so we have just bought one and Costas name will go on it.

I hate going to the cemetery - no idea why, just dont like it - although we have just a big back yard I am trying to fill it with flowers.

Have also seen some beautiful silk butterflies that go in the garden. There are some really big ones and Im going to get a few. Whenever I see butterflies or sunflowers I think of my sons.

lottiejenkins · 23/04/2008 13:39

Thanks Tom,.. Shabs should i post the BNC song on this thread for those who havent heard it yet?? What do you think???

shabster · 23/04/2008 14:22

I think you should - its wonderful

lottiejenkins · 23/04/2008 14:38

Ok I will..........
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2GDG1sNHJE
Its a beautiful song... for our never forgotten babies and children.....

shabster · 23/04/2008 14:40

Thanks LJ - it is so beautiful.

Ok Im going on the school slow walk run now - back home soon.

feedmenow · 23/04/2008 17:09

Shabs, I just went over to the multiples thread to see how Trips dh got on, and am glad to see its looking good!

But blimey, you lot never stop over there! I can't believe the thread was only started a few days ago and is already that long! It took me ages to locate Trips update!

That video of those quads should be dished out as medicine for anyone down in the dumps - better than Prozac I reckon

I love Toms idea of painting the names on the pot. He truly is a little star! My little boy is 6 and is lovely like that too. He heard me listening to one of the songs we had at Eris funeral at the weekend and came in and hugged me just cos he knew I'd be sad. What a sweetie!

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shabster · 23/04/2008 17:52

Thanks for doing that FMN it was really kind of you.

I'm going to be sorting out and planting for the Summer in my pots. I will make sure I have everybodys childrens names as far as I can and then we can easily add others (lets hope there aren't any newbies).

lottiejenkins · 24/04/2008 08:21

Morning everyone!! xxx

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