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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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Lou1971 · 17/04/2008 17:51

Gosh, these stories are all so sad but in a strange way (I hope no-one is offended) also comforting.

I remember picking a name for my boy (I felt he was a boy but had no idea I was carrying twins at this time) and I chose Thomas, which means "twin". I then chose Joseph Dominic for my twin, once I'd found out. The second part of his name means "of the Lord".

lottiejenkins · 17/04/2008 17:59

I had a similar experience as Tink when i was pregnant with Jack... i bled very early on in my pregnancy and had to stay in bed for several days,,, i was basically told if i was going to miscarry i would. This pregnancy was very important to my late Dh as i was his second wife and he never expected to have more children(he was 35 yrs older than me) everything settled down and i went back to work.. all was well till i was 25 weeks pregnant,, one night just before DH went off on nights i started to bleed. I was admitted to the maternity ward and stayed there on and off till i went into labour 5 days later, they had given me an injection to strenghen Jacks lungs.. he arrived weighing 1lb 10oz and we were told it was very unlikely he would survive as he had had a massive brain haemorrage. We made the decision to switch his machine off and i held him when he died two hours later. I then had to wait several months to get pregnant again as I had to have treatment under anaesetic on my teeth. I told My family i was pregnant the Christmas Eve 1995 a year and two days after Jack died. My pregnancy with Wilfred was carefully monitored my gynae saw me every two weeks and in the end i ended up having a weeks bed rest with pre eclamspia before i was induced. I nearly drove the midwives mad when i was in labour as i was watching a cricket match(one of my vices) every time a WI wicket went i would roar my approval and the midwives would rush in.... they couldnt wait to get me into the delivery room. Wilfred arrived after my waters were broken and having been told if they couldnt it would be a caesarean! He weighed 5lb 10oz and the gynae insisted on seeing him before we left the next day. We have fundraised for both Orwell Ward and the SCBU at Ipswich hospital in the last few years.

feedmenow · 17/04/2008 18:23

Amyjade, losing a child when pregnant must be horrendous. I am the youngest of 4 - my eldest brother had a twin sister who, due to a placental abruption, was seriously deprived of oxygen. She never came home, but lived in a childrens hospital. She died shortly before they turned 4, roughly 2 weeks before I was born. My mum remembers nothing of that period in her life - she doesn't remember my sisters funeral, not when it was, she has only in very recent years started remembering the exact date of my birthday!! I used to wonder how she could possibly not remember more about her daughters death, but now I realise that handling a childs' death and a new birth must have made her a complete emotional wreck (plus caring for a 4 yo son and a 2 yo old!!)

When I first posted here about Eris' funeral I said I knew nobody who had had to to this. I was wrong, I just didn't comprehend that my mum had lost a child. However, also my mil went through the loss of a child - my dp was one of triplets, one who died at roughly 5 mths gestation but who had to be carried until the other 2 were born. Losing Eris has enabled me to talk to both my mum and mil much more openly about their losses, I suppose because I am now unlucky enough to be a member of this unwanted club!

Tink, it is amazing that Lily-Hope was born with a beating heart and breathing! She must have been such a strong little thing, a real fighter to have given it a go when she was so tiny!

Shabster, Triplets, I have now checked out Triplets profile page and looked at the piccies of all 4 children. Was that Matthews latest school photo? Boys look so handsome in school piccies, so grown up. And as for the triplets, they look ever so angelic.....but is that really the case? ?

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shabster · 17/04/2008 18:28

FMN - I think that was Matthews latest school photo. He looks lovely dosen't he?

I think I will leave it to Trips to tell you about the triplets - he he - some of her stories are hillarious.

Here I go again, hug your MIL and Mum for me please. Will leave your DP untouched tonight - that is unless he would like a kiss from a menopausal woman with a hairy lip!! How alluring does that sound

feedmenow · 17/04/2008 18:49

P.S. Have just checked the Bargain Buys in my virtual local paper and found a squidgy old leather sofa and a mini-fridge (ideal for all the virtual bottles of wine we can consume!. Will get dp to drag them in here later.......

Any other vitual soft furnishings available?

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frasersmummy · 17/04/2008 20:08

all the stories on here are horrendous

but oh my god Lou1971 seventeen days knowing that Joe had died.. where on earth did you find the strength to cope with that??
I imagine you must have been thinking what if something was to happen to Tom as well

I thought my 2 day interval was horrendous.. any longer and I think I would have been demented with worry and grief

you must be a very strong lady..

sending you hugs

TinkerbellesMum · 17/04/2008 20:25

FMN, I know. Without her I wouldn't have Tink because they don't PM a miscarriage which she would have been at 20 weeks, even if they had they wouldn't have found anything wrong because they wouldn't have tested me. It would have been one of those things. Hughes Syndrome gives me less than 20% chance of carrying to term. With a diagnosis I have a better chance of carrying a baby than a first time mum because Hughes accounts for 10% of pregnancy loss and pregnancy is often the first time it shows itself.

Lottie, funny you should say about teeth... They had tried to take my wisdoms out under local but I started fainting (actually I found out the Hughes gives me TIAs so most likely cause). They sent me an appointment for mid April. I got pregnant, called them and cancelled. MC early April, called them back, rebooked it. Got pregnant, called them back cancelled. Lost Lily-Hope, called them back, made the appointment, got pregnant a week later (so technically I was pregnant at the time). I was in so much pain, I'm so glad I managed to wait an extra month lol.

lottiejenkins · 17/04/2008 21:05

I have a dentist phobia going back to when i was six, the dentist used to shout at me... i can remember lieing there thinking if youre going to shout i aint opening my mouth.. he was furious.. he shouted at my mother "take that child out of here and dont bring her back!!" I am better now. I can have extractions done in the chair which is better than ten years ago!!

shabster · 17/04/2008 23:54

FMN get that sofa in our den. I have a Manchester City duvet cover and a UFO type lamp thing - you know the ones that have optic things coming out of them. I think we should make our den proper cosy.

Sorry I havent been on tonight. My grief is much older and the poor mums that have been telling their stories - well - I cant cope with the sadness. Thought that my lot was bad but I have to run away tonight.

FMN - come here honey I need a group hug xx
Mind the UFO lamp you daft bugger.

I know, go and hug OUR DP. Poor lad will be scared of me soon, if he isint already. Whisper his name and then I can have a laugh with him - Go on no bugger is listening

dippymother · 18/04/2008 09:45

FeedMeNow - Sorry for not posting earlier, I work during the week so not able to access the computer much during the day (term time) and in the evening, there is fierce competition for time on it!

I'm so glad that Wednesday was all you hoped it would be and that you feel a sense of peace now. Your post was so emotional it made me cry and I thought the balloon release a brilliant idea. You and your family are very brave. Unfortunately, as you already said, we are all unlucky to be members of an unwanted club, however this thread will help us to support each other at any time of need.

shabster · 18/04/2008 10:00

Morning Dippy - hope you are OK

I was a wimpy coward yesterday and just lurked around Eris' thread. It was a 'well I thought awful things had happened to me until I read these stories' kind of day.

BUT today is another day - another small hill to climb and my 'Friday smile at people face' to put on before I go out.

Hope all our Eris thread friends have a good day

dippymother · 18/04/2008 16:10

Afternoon Shabster - I'm sure you weren't a wimpy coward at all. In fact (and I think most of on here would agree) that you have been an absolute inspiration to us and your sense of humour make us laugh when we want to cry, I am sure your family are very proud of you. Just wish you were around when I lost my son....!

shabster · 18/04/2008 17:17

Thank you dippy - I have found that laughter is really my 'best medicine.'

Its good to be together to help each other here.

feedmenow · 18/04/2008 17:19

OK, sofa has arrived, as has mini-fridge which I have taken the liberty of stocking with pinot!

Shabster, you are right that it is very upsetting to read all that other people have been through but from a (very) selfish point of view it is comforting to know that we are not alone. When I read about other people losing their child(ren), I always think how much worse off than me they are, but then I remember that we are all equal in our grief.

I have been thinking today about memories. It saddens me that I don't have memories of Eris, other than pregnancy memories. But I don't have smiles, laughs and stuff. Anyway, I got to wondering whether I am luckier in a way that I don't have memories cos as beautiful as they are, they are also reminders of what has been lost. People who have lost an older baby or child are so lucky so have many wonderful memories, but doesn't that make it harder in a way, because you know exactly what you have lost? This has probably all come out wrong, and actually doesn't matter in the slightest - just one of the things that pops into my head that I have a split-personality debate over!

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shabster · 18/04/2008 18:58

FMN - I agree so much. I have very few memories of Gareth other than all the time we spent in hospital. He never cut a tooth, or sat up etc etc and I mourn that loss. Matthew had a big personality and I mourn that loss. There is no loss that is easier than other - the only word to describe the loss of a baby or more grown child is WEIRD - just so weird, just odd.

Loosing a twin is quite weird as well - you see the survivor and think OMG what would their sibling be doing now. All my four boys have been very similar in appearance and that tends to be difficult.

Its all too hard isin't it. Right thats enough moaning.

FMN - Is there room in the fridge for a couple of bottles of my cider apple juice.

I bet when my post comes up your DP hides in a corner for fear of a hairy kiss or a big hug

triplets · 18/04/2008 19:06

Thought I might for you here Shabby..........could do with a hug right now. Dh went for his pre assessment op thing this morning and I bumped into the oncology nurse who didny exactly fill me with hope. Came home at 3pm and felt low and <strong>angry</strong> since. Kids just bbeen taken bowling by my lovely sil, so had hoped we could have escaped to the pub for something to eat as a treat, just to get out of here, wont be much chance after Mon, but H is happy to stay home, grrrrrrrrrrrrr!

hazygirl · 18/04/2008 19:11

i think what we find hard whenever we go out and see a little red haired toddler,i picture jayden.i see little boys in playground that were born same time as jayden, and wonder why us. jayden would be 18month old now , i just hope all our little angels are playing up there together nicely.big hugs to all you with angelsx

shabster · 18/04/2008 19:12

Hiya trips - on your behalf. Give us a hug my darling. Thats all I do on here Trips hug and kiss FMNs DP and her entire family - I think her DP must dread me posting

Will come back in a little bit Trips - Tommy wants to go on FBook looking for his teachers and he's not allowed without me!!

hazygirl · 18/04/2008 19:22

big hug trips ,thinking of you and h.my dp same dont want to go out again,take carexx

lottiejenkins · 18/04/2008 19:24

Hazy i know how you feel, my niece and godson were born either side of Jack, i find it particularly hard with gs as i can imagine the scrapes they would have got into! glass of wine for me please......... not fussy what colour!!

hazygirl · 18/04/2008 19:56

i know its hard i get back from school run with granddaughters and breathe again,glass of wine for you and ill have a cokexbig hugsx

lottiejenkins · 18/04/2008 20:15

Thanks im at my mums tonight, Wilfs at his carers, EDF in their wisdom are switching off our electric ALL day tomorrow grrrrrrr, I'd rather pull my toensails out than have him at home without him being able to access tv, comp,ps2 etc............. I also would like to be able to make a cup of tea in the morning flipping edf

hazygirl · 18/04/2008 20:18

god how annoying esp at weekend, i know wot u mean cant start the day without a cuppax

lottiejenkins · 18/04/2008 20:20

their excuse is that they are doing it on a Saturday cos of the school

shabster · 18/04/2008 23:31

Oh my word ladies - One of Matts primary school friends has just been in touch with me on FBook. She has made me sob!!!!! At Primary she was a real Vicky Pollard type of kid at school and we used to roll our eyes at each other and think we knew exactly where she was heading

Not seen her for 16 years and she is doing so well. Three beautiful children. She talked about Matt so beautifully and I just dissolved.

I didn't even realise she knew him that well - such a young lady, so eloquent and compassionate. 'Dont judge a book by its cover!!'

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