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DS(16) friend died suddenly yesterday. DS in bits.

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BeingmoreDragon · 22/05/2022 09:23

DS2s friend has died suddenly yesterday after a very short illness. He went into hospital last week and was admitted and has never come out. He messaged DS at 2am yesterday morning to say he wasn't doing very well but was trying really hard to stay alive. They then had a phone call at 8am and as part of the conversation said he was going to have to have an operation but it was very risky and he wanted DS to know if he didn't make it that things would be OK and DS was to keep on going. He passed away yesterday afternoon.

DS has been horrifically bullied in the past, has self harmed and been suicidal and it has taken him a long long time to get any sort of stable friendship group. He met this lad at a DnD group 4 years ago and they just hit it off. Whilst following the pandemic their friendship has been online mostly but they chat and game for hours every day. DS doesn't talk about things that upset him. He internalises everything. He's saying he's fine this morning and doesn't want to talk about it but he's clearly not fine. He's got a fresh cut on his arm. He says it was an accident but I am not sure I believe him.

We've got a lot of other stuff going on, another of his friends has cancer, my dad is ill and is going in for an operation in a few weeks, he's struggling with his GCSEs, he's worried as he's going to a different college to his friends, financially things are tight and whilst trying to shield the DSs as much as possible they know there is a risk we'll have to sell up and move which has difficult repercussions.

I've been and given him more cuddles this morning. I've told him that whatever day the funeral is (if he's invited) he can go - even if it means missing a GCSE.

To be honest I don't even know why I am posting. I suppose I am after some advice on how to help him process, when he has history of refusing to process until stuff explodes out of him.

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LaSevillana · 22/05/2022 21:54

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 22/05/2022 20:42

I'm not sure what world you live in but I don't know many teens who still use Facebook, and those on Instagram often have private versions ("finsta") that are locked to the public

@LaSevillana you seem incredibly invested in the idea that the death must be real, to the point of irrationality - ironic, since you're keen to accuse the rest of us of conspiracy theories.

It is highly unlikely that there would be no mention of the sudden death of a 16 year old on publicly accessible social media. You must know this. Perhaps you're embarrassed because you slagged off so many PPs for suggesting a hoax, only to have the OP confirm the absence of any social media footprint of the death. So now you're having to make up reasons for the SM silence.

I haven't seen anyone claim this is definitely a hoax. I saw lots of PPs kindly and respectfully suggest a hoax, out of concern for the OP's DS. You appointed yourself the thread police and decided to shout them down. According to you, expressing doubts was a sign of our stupidity and the whole of society should be very worried. Except, now, it seems we may have been right. So that leaves you looking a bit of a chump, doesn't it?

When you're in a hole, stop digging.

No - I'm saying it makes no sense to assume it's very likely to be a hoax.

Is it possible? Sure. But this is a boy he'd met in real life, who lives locally, who has a mutual friend in common who informed the DS of the news. What part of that screams 'hoax' to you?

The issue isn't whether it's true or not, it's that the methods people are hanging onto to decide if it's true or not are silly.

This is just like the taxi driver thread, where most posters were convinced the OP was being scammed, and strangely shut up and disappeared once she confirmed she hadn't been. It's not that a scam would be impossible, it's that nothing she posted made it sound like one.

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CharlotteUnaNatalieThompson · 22/05/2022 21:57

@BeingmoreDragon don't be thinking it's a hoax because you can't see anything on social media. If people have accounts set to private you might not. For what it's worth I have googled someone I know for a fact has died and couldn't find a single thing about her using Google. So don't worry about that either.

Bear in mind the school shouldn't tell you anything either but at least will hopefully agree to forward a card on to his parents.

Sending love to your son either way

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MrsPnut · 22/05/2022 22:09

All the hoax rubbish is pffft. Not one of you crying hoax has a teenager who plays D&D right now.
The OP states that their son knows the other boy in real life but that doesn’t cover how close you can be from D&D.

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Mellowyellow222 · 22/05/2022 22:11

This will be cleared up tomorrow by the school. I think everyone needs to remember at best there is one very distressed boy here, at worst a child has died.

no good outcome either way.

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XelaM · 22/05/2022 22:12

Plus the parents might not be on social media. When my 27-year-old colleague died, his parents didn't post anything on social media. It was his wife who eventually posted on Facebook, but also not immediately

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elliejjtiny · 22/05/2022 22:18

So sorry for your DS's loss OP.

I agree with the talking in the car thing. My teens are usually more willing to talk then, especially if I say we are driving to tesco to get chocolate!

For the people who think this is a hoax, you need to remember that teens think differently to the way adults do and have different priorities. My ds took an overdose aged 12 (thankfully he survived) and he calmly chatted to his friends online while waiting for the pills to take affect. Young people spend way more time talking to friends either online or by text etc than we ever did or do. Thanks to covid my year 11 and year 9 dc have spent way more time with their friends online than they have in person.

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JingsMahBucket · 23/05/2022 01:20

There are some really paranoid conspiracy theorists on here. SMH.

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zoopigi · 23/05/2022 04:34

@beingmoredragon I am so so sorry that you are going through this. My sons best friend (17) tried to kill himself on good Friday.

He was in a coma in hospital for nearly a.month when they turned off the life support and his funeral was last Thursday so I totally.get.it. this young man had been part of our lives.for the last 10 years, so I have been processing my own grief as well as keeping a hawk eye on my son (who has been going through his own mental health problems this year).

The funeral was horrific, my son stood with his friend group in the church, but could not bring himself to go anywhere near the casket.

At the graveside, my son stood back with me and his dad as he didn't want to get any closer. All we can do at this point is support our own children, just keep reminding them that we are here, and if they need to talk we are available.

🌹🌹🌹 to you and a big hug, this is not an easy thing to navigate. If your son would be open to talking to a.counsellor that would be the best thing, but if not just be there for him. That can come later xxxx

if you would like to pm me, I am here.

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zoopigi · 23/05/2022 04:40

@BeingmoreDragon

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Backtoblack1 · 23/05/2022 05:46

Mellowyellow222 · 22/05/2022 22:11

This will be cleared up tomorrow by the school. I think everyone needs to remember at best there is one very distressed boy here, at worst a child has died.

no good outcome either way.

Totally agree with everything said here x

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BeingmoreDragon · 23/05/2022 06:37

I've just come on this morning to say I've had confirmation it's real - not via the school obviously but confirmation all the same.

I am ashamed at the sense of relief that I feel tbh so there's that to process now but that's the least of the worries on the list.

I've had a log in to DSs phone and PC whilst he's been asleep and I can see he is messagjng the mutual friend about it in between the various nonsense that they gibber so that is one worry off my mind. The mutual friend is very much is the same vein as his friend who has died which is that they'll get through it, that they'll honour him by fighting hard and living life well.

DS said he didn't think he'd go to the funeral, that he's too fat, hates himself and he doesn't fit in anywhere and the mutual friend instantly is like he would want you there, he's your friend, you'll fit in nicely with us all, we all have something in common, I'll be with you, you'll be fine, I'm here.

I'm in tears and gobsmacked tbh by the maturity shown by a bunch of 16 year old boys.

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions on how to help DS and those who shared their own losses as teenagers and what helped / didn't help them as its given me lots of food for thought.

I've also got some practical things to do which is how I deal best with emotional upset so that's also helpful.

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LondonQueen · 23/05/2022 06:51

In relived that it's real too OP, it would be a horrendously cruel prank for your poor DS.

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JetTail · 23/05/2022 06:55

Oh God love your poor DS thinking he's too fat to go to his best friend's funeral. Teen years can be pretty horrendous for some (they were for me). If you could suggest the DND group meeting for pizza or something, even virtually, it would be helpful for them. My experience of loss as a teen was incredible loneliness as the friend who died was not a mutual friend of anyone else I knew as I knew them through a hobby.
Your young lad will get through this as you seem so considerate and kind. I'm sorry for all the other difficulties in your life too. Your ds will make it through this.

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Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 07:13

Op we had confirmation too in the same way as you, and I felt just devastated for the family - devastated. At least we knew a way forward.

Your son sounds very fragile, I am going to say please don't push the funeral, it might be too much for him. They are without a doubt an horrendous experience for anyone much less a young person. You can honour his memory with a balloon release, virtually with others, lighting candles at home and praying for him, going to visit the graveside. It is really important not to see a funeral as essential closure as it isn't for everyone. Sometimes it gives young people PTSD and real trauma instead of closure. Talk through what the funeral is likely to be like, and would he prefer to honour his friendship in another way. If it were me the other way would be far far far better for him. I am sorry to say it can push some children into deeper crisis.

Monitor his phone and messages for a good long while, and try and refocus the mind on other things.

I am so sorry you are going through this, as a parent it knocked us sideways as we just didn't see it coming and had no real idea how to deal with it initially. What came afterwards was not an easy ride either.

I would investigate the 'short illness' and I hope this has not got the same connections to Discord that I think it might have.

I would seriously consider encouraging your son away from that platform, especially if he is already self harming. Addressing your son's issues with his body image and the bullying, getting him out in the real world and helping him get his life back is a No1 priority now.

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oakleaffy · 23/05/2022 07:13

BeingmoreDragon · 23/05/2022 06:37

I've just come on this morning to say I've had confirmation it's real - not via the school obviously but confirmation all the same.

I am ashamed at the sense of relief that I feel tbh so there's that to process now but that's the least of the worries on the list.

I've had a log in to DSs phone and PC whilst he's been asleep and I can see he is messagjng the mutual friend about it in between the various nonsense that they gibber so that is one worry off my mind. The mutual friend is very much is the same vein as his friend who has died which is that they'll get through it, that they'll honour him by fighting hard and living life well.

DS said he didn't think he'd go to the funeral, that he's too fat, hates himself and he doesn't fit in anywhere and the mutual friend instantly is like he would want you there, he's your friend, you'll fit in nicely with us all, we all have something in common, I'll be with you, you'll be fine, I'm here.

I'm in tears and gobsmacked tbh by the maturity shown by a bunch of 16 year old boys.

I want to thank everyone for their suggestions on how to help DS and those who shared their own losses as teenagers and what helped / didn't help them as its given me lots of food for thought.

I've also got some practical things to do which is how I deal best with emotional upset so that's also helpful.

Oh Im so sorry it’s real…
I doubted it, thinking a teenager that Ill would be texting…
But your DS must have meant a lot to him to be honoured with a text when the lad was in extremis.
I hope your DS goes to the Funeral.
It is very hard for teens to go to people of same ages funeral, but they do support each other quite well.
Sorry I doubted the tragic death of a very young person.
🐲🐉

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R11zz · 23/05/2022 07:14

The funeral will be important to go to. My son and his friends were heavily involved in their friends funeral. It amazed me that the grieving parents thought about their son’s friends and asked them to make a eulogy also what they would like to put in the coffin.
it is still very early days for us, our son’s friend died on Easter Sunday, but keep talking. Our high school has been amazing and just like you the friendship group has been brilliant.
I was amazed at the funeral how mature the group were and just how well they coped. It is hard and I do worry so much about my son.

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oakleaffy · 23/05/2022 07:20

@Swayingpalmtrees
Honour a young person’s passing , but please no balloon releases- They cause death to animals and birds who ingest the materials
I once thought they were a good idea , ditto those wretched fire lanterns, but they too have caused death to animals.
, plus being a disaster to the environment-
Not a good way to remember a loved one by.

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endofthelinefinally · 23/05/2022 07:23

Attending the funeral is really important for your son and the family of the poor boy who has died.
When my son died I was so grateful and comforted that so many people turned up. Knowing that so many people cared about him. It means a lot and his family will really appreciate it.

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Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 07:35

Your son's stability and mental health is your priority now op, not supporting the friend's parents - they will have their own family and friends to do that. I am sorry to say you need to move heaven and earth to ensure he only takes on/attends the funeral only IF you are sure he can cope with it, and you are certain of this. You have described a very vulnerable boy. He should not feel pressurised to go. There are a number of ways, environmentally that he can be honoured.

Your son will be reeling, and needs the greatest of care, and lots of support from school, counsellors and monitoring. Is he getting help with his self harming?

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BeingmoreDragon · 23/05/2022 08:15

I'm going to be guided by DS. The boys last their great nan several years ago (our only real experience with loss of a close person other than with our animals). They were close when they were very small and had some wonderful memories of her (and her cooking lol) but we hadn't seen much of her for several years before her death. She also died very quickly after a short stay in ICU. We were unable to go to her funeral as their dad is not allowed to be in contact with them and obviously we couldn't expect him to not go to his nans funeral. We did our own thing at the time in a place that has meaning to us, so if necessary we can do the same thing for this funeral, although I think he will regret not going in the longer term but I am sure his friend would understand.

DS currently isn't accessing any formal support as he won't engage with anything, the only thing he has / does is that he is allowed into the support garden at the school. He mainly uses this during break times when his friend (with cancer) is not in school so there is an element of his using it to get out of difficult situations but I also suspect he feels very vulnerable and alone when his friend it not with him. Its a place where you can sit and reflect though so he doesn't have to engage with anyone, although there is always supposed to be a 6th former or teacher there who is available to talk if you want to.

He hasn't self harmed for a couple of years so for now I will cautiously give him the benefit of the doubt about the one over the weekend but will watch him closely.

For me I think it is a bit of a wake up call. I am going to try and be more in the moment with DS. To stop trying to fix his problems and instead listen more to what he needs even if that is silence.

Unmumsnetty hugs to all those who have also gone through it all and are still doing so Flowers

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BeingmoreDragon · 23/05/2022 08:21

I'm going to leave the thread now and let it fall away into obscurity as I appreciate the comments from a couple of posters about if his family come across it and how identifying it is.

Obviously I don't want to name his friend on here but I want to end by acknowledging what the friend gave to DS.

He inspired DS to do more than just exist. He gave DS the courage and support to be himself - maybe not fully happy with himself but happier. We used to have a joke in tricky situations about "what would X do?" All of us create ripples in the world, some more than others, and the ripples X created for my DS have literally changed his life. I did not know him well, but I will forever be grateful for the friendship he gave to DS.

Rest in Peace X.

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Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 08:44

I have tears in my eyes, what a beautiful way to finish the thread op.

Your son will come through this with such a caring mother and family that love him. Do what is right for him re funeral, it is his call, and what a great school to have a 'support garden' I have never heard of that before, but I think it is a wonderful idea, all schools should have one.

You can close down the thread by emailing MNHQ op if you wish to be respectful of the family now you have some support. All the very best.

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LaSevillana · 23/05/2022 09:25

I am ashamed at the sense of relief that I feel tbh so there's that to process now but that's the least of the worries on the list.

Yes, it's a real shame so many people on this thread felt the need to scream 'hoax' and put that idea into your head, so you then had to deal with that on top of the shock and grief. Too bad the paranoid, hysterical and frankly quite stupid people who were insisting it didn't ring true (including the charmer who called me a 'chump' when she gleefully believed I was wrong) won't learn a single thing from it and will do it again next time.

You sound like a great mum and I'm sure the boy's family would be very moved by the way you wrote about him here if they did happen to come across it.

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Mellowyellow222 · 23/05/2022 09:32

LaSevillana · 23/05/2022 09:25

I am ashamed at the sense of relief that I feel tbh so there's that to process now but that's the least of the worries on the list.

Yes, it's a real shame so many people on this thread felt the need to scream 'hoax' and put that idea into your head, so you then had to deal with that on top of the shock and grief. Too bad the paranoid, hysterical and frankly quite stupid people who were insisting it didn't ring true (including the charmer who called me a 'chump' when she gleefully believed I was wrong) won't learn a single thing from it and will do it again next time.

You sound like a great mum and I'm sure the boy's family would be very moved by the way you wrote about him here if they did happen to come across it.

It is absolutely fine to question things and for OP to make sure she has all the facts.

any suggestions I saw were respectful and just trying to help.

you are the only person here I have seen slinging insults.

a child has passed away. That is tragic. No need to point score.

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