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Calling all Mum's of demanding kids - are your fuses as short as mine? :( sorry, bit long)

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balanomorey · 24/09/2008 12:07

Am wondering if I'm normal or in need of anger management!!
My coming up to 3 yo dd is so demanding, I seem to spend 3 parts of my day bawling her out or saying no - it's so demorilising - I'm sure for her too, although I know I have to set boundaraies, don't I?

Her speech and awareness of what's going on around her is, imo sometimes gobsmacking for her age. She knows exactly what she wants, can ask (demand) for it very articulately and comes out with expressions that very often floor me! She seems to know too much at a young age. But as she is so young, she is obviously so very immature in many other ways and always wants to run before she can walk ("I do it" is her favourite expression) and when i say no, because imo what she is asking for she can't do or it is dangerous to have etc, she goes off on one. She also takes forever to do what I ask - all in all, she can be SOOOO frustrating - but at the same time, adorable and I lurve her to bits!

However, as I said all this continual conflict of interest is wearing me down as I am constantly saying no and shouting to the point where she will say 'don't shout at me' before bursting into tears or she will panic if she knows or thinks she's done something wrong as she will say "sorry, sorry, sorry" over and over and looks genuinely scared I'm going to tear her off a strip .

Feel really bad this morning as we were late getting to nursery and she suddenly decided just as we were going out the door that she needed the potty. I was not best pleased as she has used the potty as an excuse lately to keep getting out of bed or stall bedtime...she sits there for ages insisting she needs to go and nothing happens, so assumed she was playing this game again. This happened last night at 3 in the morning (the sides have just come off her cot, and I think she thinks this is a great excuse for disturbing the household in the middle of the night now that she can get out and tell us she needs a wee)...so this morning I bawled her out for needing the potty (frazzled on the back of a bad night, maybe) and felt awful as she then proceeded to do a big wee...told me to say sorry for shouting at her...and told me how much she loves me ..so have been feeling guilty and crap mum all morning.

Just a bit of a rant really, but make me feel better by telling me I'm not unusual to shout - I hate shouting and am fed up of spending a large part of my day bawling and getting wound up. Am I alone in this?
Thanks for reading, sorry so long, just needed to vent. x.

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duchesss · 24/11/2008 13:30

Hi all,

Really lovely to find you all and read this thread (most of it, anyway). Please can I come and join in? So much of what's been said has resonated with me...

I have two DSs, 4.5 and 14 mths. I too have 'discovered' my anger since becoming a parent and it totally terrifies me. My DSs are the last people I'd want to expose this side of myself to and yet they've pretty much been the only people in my life who have opened the floodgates .

I think I was never really allowed to express my feelings as a child so anger has never really featured in my adult emotional repertoire. Sadness has always taken over the airwaves instead, probably more 'acceptable', I guess, certainly easier to hide.

My most shameful anger actions (getting fewer and further between since I started to work on myself a couple of years ago) are shouting at them and being far too rough when pulling DS1 (and it's mainly him, poor little mite, given that my self awareness drive kicked in before DS2 was born) away from whatever thing he's destroying/doing/not doing. I can't bear how the urge overtakes me to get physical when I'm in a rage (pulling jumper of contention on really roughly, for example, or snatching toy-used-as-weapon and throwing it across the room)

I'm in two minds about the 'some children are more challenging than others' idea. Part of me feels all children are perfect and anything that goes awry is as a result of the environment/parenting they're faced with (not that it's our fault, we're all doing the very best we can, hence all this soul searching).

On the other hand, just to tell you a little bit about DS1... he's a bit... unusual I suppose. He seems to have sensory issues so melts down very dramaticallly (displays of temper to rival mine, basically) over lots of day-to-day issues, eg, temperature of milk, seams in socks, noise of little brother crying, etc.

He's also highly sensitive and yet mainly oblivious to my emotions, if that makes sense. So, this morning for example, I'm packing his lunch for school and he starts to turn the lights on and off and laugh demonically. I say to him very calmly and firmly 'Leave the light on please, otherwise I can't see' he does it again, I say it again, he does it again, I say it again, he does it again I say 'leave the light on!' (rising irritation) he does it again I yell "Right! Stop touching the lights" he bursts into floods of inconsolable tears 'mummy, don't have a cross face! No getting cross! No shouting!" Takes a good 10 minutes for him to calm down. This same process goes on over lots of recurring issues -- his fondness for pulling curtains off their hooks, for example, or weeing in strange places or pushing his little brother over.

And the worst is when he gets physical, which he does a lot. I find this particularly hard. He's constantly pulling my hair, hitting, headbutting, lifting up my skirt, just nasty general tweaking and poking which I find really hard to tolerate. He does these things when angry but mainly in a spirit of mischief. And again I just don't seem to be able to communicate with him over it, so I say calmly time and time again and it's only when I get pushed over the edge that it stops.

AND of course, he's also the most wonderful little boy in the world. He sings like an angel, he's really bright and healthy, every day he notices things that would have passed me by if he wasn't in my life and I feel utterly blessed to have him. Granted he can be a bit eccentric (Loves to watch George Formby videos on youtube and joins in with one of my frying pans as a banjo, makes up his own words for things has an extreme fascination for lawnmowers and generally prefers kitchen utensils to toys) but to us that's what makes him really really fun to be with when he's not assaulting me.

As for the aforementioned 'work on myself' I've discovered the empathy-based approached to parenting and realised that they're the answer to all the uneasiness I'd previously felt with the punishment/reward based methods that all around me tended to use(and my own parents, certainly). Not to condemn anyone for finding that approach helpful but it just never particularly worked for me. But of course the ongoing challenge is that empathy and anger are not easy bedfellows!

Books which have really helped me were the 'how to talk...' book and Alfie Kohn's 'Unconditional Parenting' and Naomi Aldort's 'Raising Children, Raising Ourselves' which has really helped me to realise that, as so many of you have identified, lots of my parenting shortfalls are an expression of my own unmet needs. AND, it's not my children's job to rectify this.

Aldort advises, at one point, to step away from the situation that might make you do something you later regret and really let your anger run riot in your head. Literally fantasise yourself screaming 'shut the fuck up!' or hitting them or whatever. Then realise that those feelings aren't about now, they're not authentically you and your love for your child, they're not 'real'. And come back to the present, with your child, much more understanding of the here and now. I don't always take the time to do this, don't always have the self-control to step away but I think it's a powerful technique.

Another thing we're considering in our house is installing an inflatable punch bag (we'll call the angry station) for both DSs and us to use when we feel we need to let it out.

Anyway, lovely to meet you all and thank you for letting me whittle on and for all your inspiring posts.

xx

MorocconOil · 24/11/2008 13:51

Hi Wash Firstly you are not a bad mother. You are a good mother. Keep saying that to yourself. I find doing that stops some of the negative thoughts. You sound exhausted, and who wouldn't be with two demanding toddlers. It can all feel pretty relentless.
Secondly, what kind of bedtime routine are your DSs in? IME if you get only one routine sorted, this is the most important. Knowing my DSs would be tucked up safely in bed by 7.30, restored my will to live. That way you get a bit of time to yourself/with DH(even if he's pissing you right off with unhelpful comments ). Also the DSs get a proper sleep, so they are easier to manage the following day. If you need some ideas on bedtime routine let us know.
Thirdly, I used to have to get out with my DSs when they were the age of your 2, still do actually, because if we stay in we all go CRAZY. Choose the activity/venue carefully. I used to go to a music group where all the mummies were smug, and had well behaved girl babies. I was publicly humiliated on several occasions, purely because I had a boisterous/ non-compliant(spirited) DS. My boys far preferred swimming, running around parks etc. to sitting doing structured activities. Wish I'd sacked the music group sooner than I did. If they are well exercised sleep and eating routines seem to follow on more easily.

Katiek, thanks for making me LOL at the things you did to make the DC sleep. I'm impressed at you tackling table manners. I don't really notice that our dinner table resembles feeding time at the zoo, until MIL visits. I then become acutely conscious of DS1 talking with food spilling out of his mouth, DS2 not even using cutlery, and DD jumping up and down on her tripp-trapp chair. MIL has an 'I am not amused look on her face'.

MorocconOil · 24/11/2008 14:04

BTW Wash, my two DSs fight quite a bit. I have recently read that boys need to play fight to learn how to stop when the other person has had enough. I think it was Steve Biddulph who suggested it is part of the father's role to do this 'fighting' with them. My DH is a fantastic father in many ways but doesn't do this fighting. My DSs regularly go too far with eachother and one of them gets hurt. DS1 has also been in some bother with older boys at school, and I think they've hurt him because he doesn't know when to stop whilst playing with them. The older boys hurt him trying to get him to stop.
I've tried to suggest to my DH that he plays with our DSs in this way, but he felt I was criticising him.

katiek123 · 24/11/2008 14:27

hi everyone, and welcome wash and duchess - you sound like you are on the right thread - duchess if i'm sure of one thing, it's that some kids really are different from others, and highly sensitive children are particularly challenging. i have one, you have one. a lot of people on this thread do too. we all still face the same problems as anyone else rearing children of course, but sometimes in capital letters, and with knobs and bells on bcs of those temperamental issues!
mimi - i had a music class i used to go to with my head held high and come out of a broken woman too!! my DD wouldn't tear around, but got really upset by loud instruments eg cymbals - nightmare. the things that every other kid loves. she just used to howl and keep her hands on her ears most of the hour! you live and learn eh?! there are so many things like that i would not even contemplate if i had to start over. but, like you, we HAD to get out of the house (and by 9am, often) when my kids were 2 and 4 and upwards for a year or two after that!!
my kids don't often fight in a prolonged way, and mostly get on well, but when DD gets irritated by DS she often lashes out and whacks him and that really gets to me. she seems to have zero self-control. he is a bloody pain at times, it's true , having said that!!

katiek123 · 24/11/2008 14:30

ps duchess, thanks for reminding me about those books you mention. the 'highly sensitive child' one is apparently worth a read (i got scared off when i did the online test and DD scored something like 16 out of 18, yikes. i decided that in many ways i didn't want to know any more!! but must make myself read it one of these days). the books you recommend have been brought up on other threads as well as this one so they seem to be must-reads. ta!

duchesss · 24/11/2008 15:31

Hi Katie,

thanks for that, lovely to feel supported. Sometimes all we need is recognition that we have it hard.... goes a long way! A bit like the empathy we're trying to muster up for our children I suppose... sometimes well-meaning people are too quick to give advice/strategies/etc. when all we really need is 'bloody hell poor you I don't know how you do it' etc.

will seek out the sensitive child book, deffo.

x x

katiek123 · 24/11/2008 15:58

duchess - 'xactly. that's why i am such a devotee of 'raising your spirited child' - not so much bcs it's full of practical advice (there is some, but that's not its forte, in my view) but bcs it allows you to realise - 'actually, i DO have it hard. and so do many other people. and now i know why. and there are things i can do to help this gorgeous/frustrating/adorable/infuriating child of mine, and to help myself. and it will ALL BE OKAY in the long run!!!' (if only bcs they do have to leave home eventually, surely? )xx

skydancer1 · 24/11/2008 18:24

Hi new people - good to read you. This is my favourite thread on MN - I've found it incredibly helpful, supportive, real and funny.

kk123 I tried that online 'sensitive child' test and gave my DS score 13 out of 18, so he seems to qualify (if he had a problem with noise and physical discomfort etc. he'd be up there with your DD). I'm still hoping my DS will become more noise sensitive actually - at what age do kids learn volume control on their voices I wonder?

ActingNormal thanks for your thoughts on the star chart. I may get there yet but haven't really got into star-charts myself. They sound great for you though!

Washersaurus. Just to echo what others have said, I am sorry your DH is not expressing more appreciation and encouragement for your mothering. It's one thing finding mothering hard or having demanding children and/or not having found good strategies to deal with challenging behaviour etc. and quite another thing being a 'bad mother'. Ok I have to admit on a really bad day I will break down, have a little weep and wail at my DP "I'm just a bad mother!" and he just laughs (arn't guys great?! ) but I know that he laughs because he thinks I'm a very good mother. None of us are perfect but going round with the self-label 'bad mother' is not going to help you at all. Try to remind yourself of all the ways you are a good parent to your DCs (even if it's only in your heart on a particular day!) and I think changes you need to make with your DCs will be easier to make from a basis of more appreciation for yourself.

Othersideofthechannel · 24/11/2008 18:24

Duchess, AK has also been extremely helpful to me.

I don't think my children are particularly demanding or that I have a particularly short fuse (not compared to my mum anyhow!). Actually, I initially came on this thread to offer a bit of advice.

But I do know that on the times I have got angrier than I would have liked or a situation has turned sour it was either through tiredness or expecting too much from my children/lacking empathy.

It's not always possible to combat the tiredness but I CAN try to see things from their pov and lower my expectations.

katiek123 · 24/11/2008 19:50

sky - sadly i can vouch for the fact that sensitivity to other people's noise is entirely compatible (in my kids at least) with a total lack of volume control on their own noise ! DS actually had a letter home today asking us to 'please reinforce at home all that we are doing at school to get DS to keep his voice at a normal level' ! can't even blame glue ear - tested all clear recently. bellowing is just 2nd nature to him it seems!

skydancer1 · 24/11/2008 19:54

Oh sorry to hear it (no pun intended) . I feel I need ear plugs some days. DS's hearing is also fine apparently...

jabberwocky · 24/11/2008 20:16

I just found this thread and I sooo need some support with this. I have read Raising Your Spirited Child and the Highly Sensitive Child which are very good and have helped somewhat. They also helped me to realize that ds1 has Sensory Processing Disorder so we have gotten occupational therapy for that which helps a bit. Still he is the most demanding child and uses up most of my energy as well as dh's Ds2 is a little angel but sometimes picks up on ds1's bad behavior and starts to mimic it. some days I feel as if I cannot take it one more minute.

katiek123 · 24/11/2008 20:33

jabber - my friend has a little girl with sensory processing disorder and she is SO much better now she is older (now 8). they are in washington though so got more input from specialist services compared to the uk from what i gather.
the main reason i am on this thread is to reassure mums like you who are nearing the end of their tether, as i TOTALLY was a few years ago (and completely oblivious to MN, which i kick myself for in retrospect!), that if you HANG ON IN THERE it all gets immmeasurably better as your child matures, gets to grips with his/her incredibly strong emotions, becomes more secure and more in control generally, etc etc etc. i do not know how i lived through my DD's earlier years but she is now, at 7, a different child from her incarnation as a 3,4,5 yr old. it will surely be the same for you. don't despair

Washersaurus · 24/11/2008 21:23

Thank you for being so supportive; something that is definitely lacking here in the Wash House.

I have had a much better day today, but that is more to do with meeting up with a good friend this morning, as DS1 is 'best friends' with her daughter. He really enjoyed himself and was much more relaxed.

We took it easy this afternoon and I put a temporary break from beating myself up over letting them watch cbeebies (it is the only thing that keeps them out of mischief some days, especially when they are tired)

Saying that, DS2 woke at midnight again last night and wouldn't/couldn't? go back to sleep until I bf him (comfort, not hunger)and we put him in bed with us at 1am. He slept a bit later this morning, which gave DS1 a chance to sleep in too.

DH was cursing and muttering about killing himself as he tried to settle him though (very helpful I'm sure), I am worried about the mental distress the interuptions to our sleep are causing.

I would love to skip the baby music classes etc but feel bad for DS2 as he does enjoy them, as DS1 used to. I would love to take them swimming but couldn't manage 2 non swimmers safely on my own!

Olifin · 24/11/2008 21:53

Hello everyone,

I haven't posted here for a while as things were going very well for a few weeks here. Certainly, DD has had fewer tantrums and I had been getting more sleep and looking after myself a bit better.

Today's been a bit crap and totally down to me, I'm afraid. I've been recovering from a sickness bug over the weekend and just had no patience today with DD. She has finally entered the 'Why?' phase and I think I must have heard that word 50 times today.I tried so hard to tell myself it's a GOOD thing that she's curious and inquisitive and asking questions about the world but I couldn't help feeling intensely irritated by having to attempt to answer the question so many times and in such bizarre contexts. ('Is that a blue car?', 'Yes', 'Why?' etc) I'm afraid I couldn't really hide my weariness with it all and now I think she's doing it MORE because she can see how much it annoys me.

Cupofteaplease- I so identify with your feelings, especially the thing about going to look at DD when she's asleep; stroking her hair and saying sorry to her....why can't I just be nicer to her when she's awake? I, too, feel like a bitch and am sure I must be damaging her for life I hate the way I am with her so why do I find it so hard to change my behaviour?

Othersideofthechannel · 25/11/2008 09:51

Olifin, sounds like you have managed some changes for the better over the last few weeks.

Don't beat yourself up about losing patience. The 'why' phase is hard work even when you are completely well.

Your DD is asking 'why' so she is probably old enough to understand that when people are tired and ill they lack patience. But she isn't old enough to remember it. When you do snap, do you apologise to her when she is awake and remind her that you are under the weather?

jabberwocky · 25/11/2008 16:21

katie, that does give me something to look forward to. We are in the US and have had some positive results getting OT through the school system. That said, he is taking a little break from it atm. His behavior has been quite challenging lately and we have decided maybe he is fed up with therapy for now I just don't know...which is how I feel about him much of the time. Today he had to be carried kicking and screaming to the car to go to school but fortunately had calmed down by the time he and dh arrived.

ActingNormal · 25/11/2008 16:48

Duchess, I really identify with what you said about not being allowed to express yourself when you were a child but when you had your own children your repressed feelings from back then were really triggered. This was the same for me and really shocked me how I could feel extreme negative emotions around the people I loved more than anything in the world. I didn't realise til I came on MN that this is quite common! It made me finally get some proper therapy and sort out my childhood stuff because it wasn't just affecting me anymore but coming out on my DCs (and DH).

I also feel that any bad behaviours of my children are my fault, because I SO blame my parents for a lot of mine/my bro's problems. I judge myself very harshly as a parent and I get the impression lots of people on here judge themselves harshly too. It is better than not thinking about how we are doing things at all though. But some balance is needed or we will become so disheartened that we could feel like giving up being any good.

You wrote about keeping calm when your DS does an annoying thing over and over again but then he only stops when you react more strongly. But I think reacting strongly occassionally is ok! (Maybe you feel worse about it because of the habit of not being allowed to express yourself from childhood.) I think it is ok for children to sometimes see what negative emotions look like. If when they are older they push and push someone for a reaction and then that person loses it (a natural reaction) and reacts angrily but the child has never seen anyone do this before it will scare them and they won't know how to handle it! Also if you never show anger about this sort of thing they might not even realise that it is something they should try not to do because it upsets people. As with everything there has to be a balance, showing some anger, IMO, is ok but being angry all the time or being excessively angry for the situation (this used to be my problem) is not. I think if you didn't have normal parental role models it is really hard to know how to be with your children. I always have to stop and think, would this be a normal reaction or not. I think it is important to teach children how to cope in the real world and shielding them from any negative reactions altogether won't help.

I think the punchbag is a really excellent idea and teaching the children how to express anger in an appropriate way rather than repress it.

You sound like you have worked really hard on your approach to parenting and it sounds like you are doing a fantastic job. I think I'll try that book you mentioned.

Mimizan, you wrote about boys needing to learn slightly different things to girls and from what I've seen from having a boy and a girl I'm starting to think I should read that book about raising boys. DS is definately more physical than DD in some kind of way. He used to have problems with other children and be somehow intimidated by their physical presence. I've been taking him to soft play centres quite a lot with another boy his age who is very physical and although DS loves him, he makes DS cry quite often by being too boisterous, not really hurting him, just kind of scaring him with the amount of movement. I wasn't sure whether I should keep DS away from him because he cried so much at one stage, and it took hardly anything, just if someone looked at him the wrong way. But I've seen DS improve in how he deals with it and now he is more likely to tell his friend/other children to stop doing something he doesn't like and stand up for himself verbally rather than just crying or lashing out physically. Basically he is getting used to what it is like being with other boys and starting to enjoy playing with them rather than on his own near them. I suppose maybe he would have improved with age anyway but today I'm congratulating myself for giving him regular contact with other children in a physical setting [smug mummy].

KatieK, you were saying about your DS being high volume all the time and about the spirited child book making you feel better by validating that it really IS harder with a spirited child. I feel kind of frustrated about my children though because when they are at home they act like the children in the book but when I go to nursery and school parents' evenings they describe my children as being quiet, well behaved, calm, and no problem! Then I think am I imagining it? Am I going mad? Have I just got no tolerance? I'm thinking maybe my children are normal and I am/have been (getting better recently) just crap at coping!

Olifin, I agree with OtherSide, you can definately forgive yourself for being less patient when you are feeling ill! Children are hard work and take most of your mental/physical resources when you are WELL so when you are ill it is SO hard.

Apart from all this, I wanted to share a 'dimwit' thought I had lately which seems to help me in case it could help anyone else - this morning I felt awful having just woken up, angry to be awake, as usual, and the children were being too loud and moving around too much for my brain to handle when I suddenly had the thought of imagining they were baby tiger cubs frolicking about. I instantly felt better! I'm not sure why (?). Maybe because my expectations of them are too high? Maybe because I wouldn't expect a baby animal to have self control and calmness but I shouldn't expect human animals to have much either. I must not realise most of the time that I am expecting too much. Later on we had just got in from school and I was busy unstrapping DS from his pushchair and taking his coat and shoes off and still had mine on and needed to go to the toilet but DD was going on and on and on at me about what she wanted to do next and wanted me to help her with when we had barely got in the door. This sort of thing makes my blood pressure feel like it is rising and my anger builds up and I feel anxious and pressured but for some reason the image of a small dog jumping up and down yapping in the place of DD came into my head! I don't know where it came from but again I felt instantly better!

swanriver · 25/11/2008 17:47

Duchess, I have a six year old boy who I adore quite unconditionally. However he is considered quite badly behaved by many people. He is very loud, and yet hates large groups of people, and loves to play in a quiet group at trains or play acting. He often does some of those annoying fugue like activities you describe in your son, jabbering, laughing hysterically, saying some rude phrase over and over again for effect and I would say just being generally very silly. If he's just needing to go out and run around or ride his bike I would GO OUT. When exercise is not problem, my reaction is to immediately get down to his level and talk firmly and quietly to him, warning him to cease or he will be removed to another room. That's the crisis management method. The empathy method for dealing with this is to reassure him in what is clearly a display of anxiety or confusion - like toddlers running amok in a music session. That means paying him some attention and trying to distract him from his mad mood, ie getting him involved in something that calms him down. That could be chatting to him, cooking with him for a short time (nothing longwinded or perfectionist, just a pancake or two) setting up an imaginary game with cars or trains for him to play quietly with,or just taking him away from a busy situation by offering technical book or hypnotic video. What doesn't help is to tell him to go away, sit down and behave, or be quiet, or eat nicely. Well we do try that but it hasn't worked so far! I think our friends think he's a very loud, messy difficult exasperating child, but we think he's amazing because he's so good at absorbing information, and so interested in the things that interest him, dancing, trains running, his fav. soft toys. He has a few friends who he loves, but is not generally that socially sophisticated. Maybe his behaviour suited us, quiet play boisterous running around and fascination with books and trains, whereas his sister who is considered by our relations and friends much easier, hated walking, wasn't that interested in books, and wanted lots of social interaction friends round doing things with Mummy etc. And we found her much harder work and more difficult to defuse.

duchesss · 25/11/2008 20:51

Swanriver - thank you so much for that, your ds sounds a lot like mine and your positive perspective is an inspiration . And I love your expression 'annoying fugue-like activities'. TOTALLY! What a brilliantly apt description. And yes, getting out is the key a lot of the time. We have a pretend dog called Bruno who has to be walked every day after school, rain or shine. He quite often gets lost so has to be called in a very loud voice

AN - how lovely and supportive you are. It really helps to hear that perhaps, within reason, our dc's need to see the emotional impact their behaviour can have. I've also been to therapy and my therapist said this very thing when I was consumed with guilt about my failure to stay completely calm at all times. It's just myself I have to convince. And, like you say, that needs to be my adult self not my child self.

Jeez, wasn't it all so much easier before we became parents and could just happily keep all these pesky ishoos deep deep inside so that we didn't even know they were there!

Oh well, I intend to try your 'cute baby animals imagining technique' next time it starts to get ugly. I'll let you know how I get on....

katiek123 · 25/11/2008 20:56

wow...SO much to read and absorb tonight! you are all so articulate and interesting girls, and so self-aware - respect!!
i am very interested - AN, duchess and others - in the repression of one's childhood emotions and the effects that has on our own parenting - i am sure this applies to a lot of us, partly bcs of the era we were raised in (no 'how to talk...' book on my - perfectly decent but not very psychologically-minded parents' shelves, i can assure you!!) though not just bcs of that in many of our cases

i forgot to add part two to my story a few posts back - when DD kindly informed me i was not attractive enough for daddy (thanks, pal!!) and he might find someone else , i told that story to my mother on the phone. to entertain her!! for no other reason!! her reaction: to shoot from the hip - 'i hope you slapped her' followed by 'well, i hope you explained looks weren't important - and if they were, then you'd never have married her father' ! you can begin to see why i try so hard to be patient-calm-smiling-reasonable mummy (then lose it every now and again in impressive and dramatic fashion from the strain of keeping anger and snappy responses etc under wraps!). after a few years of experience i now agree with AN - it is FINE to express anger on a relatively regular basis, but in a controlled way of course, and to move on swiftly once the situation has been dealt with, the slate wiped clean once again.

MorocconOil · 25/11/2008 21:02

Hi All

Hope you had a better day today Washer. Have you managed to get more sleep?

ActingNormal - my DSs are definitely different to DD. It's just the amount of energy they have. DD doesn't seem to need the same amount of exercise. She can occupy herself for long periods just by pottering, whereas they will fight because they are bored.. However they do have periods when they play really nicely together. Just not recently. 'Raising Boys' is definitely worth a read.

Katiek- the music group was probably one of the lowest points in my 'parenting career'
I can still feel the pain of DS1 swinging on my hair, whilst the other participants blew bubbles at their PFBs to 'My Baby Just Cares For Me'

Washersaurus · 25/11/2008 21:45

Hi, I have had a better day, probably because I am so much more aware of my bad behaviour and am trying really really hard to stay calm, and partly because I made sure they both had an early night last night.

I am re-reading Toddler Taming and Raising Boys at the moment which have given me food for thought; especially the bit about ignoring the unimportant stuff.

Unfortunately, I still snapped at DS1 a couple of times today; once when he wouldn't stand next to me at a crossing (that was a safety issue), and once for going mad and jumping on my bed, throwing the blankets about, whilst I was trying to tidy (that was just me getting tired and aggravated).

My improved behaviour has reflected in their behaviour though; they have both seemed much happier today and people even commented on how happy DS1 is whilst we were out in town earlier

They are both at nursery tomorrow morning so once I've dealt with getting them up and out of the house, I have a bit of time to myself - well at college anyway.

DH and I are just about talking now after melt down over the weekend (but he has gone to the pub again). He did stay up with DS2 last night when he woke up though, so I am grateful for that.

I have terrible memories of my mum losing her temper with me when I was little, I really don't want my children to grow up remembering my horrible shouty face.

MorocconOil · 25/11/2008 22:00

Washer-Glad to hear it's been a better day. I know what you mean about a shouty face. I sometimes feel so sorry for my DC when I realise I have been telling them off a lot. I worry that they will look back, when they have their own DC and think I was always cross.
I don't seem to have a lot of patience ATM. However I have been ill with a cold-type virus, which would have had me bed-ridden pre-children. Oh it's hard being a parent sometimes, isn't it?

katiek123 · 26/11/2008 12:02

jabber, if you're in the US you might want to google homeopathy for sensory processing disorder - sounds NUTS i know but there is a well-known woman called amy somebody ( will check this out for you) who specialises in it and seemingly gets good results. i dabble a little and often fail to help anyone but now and again you do see inexplicable improvements in people for no obvious reason other than the remedy - so i am a (cautious) believer on the whole, with some reservations!