childrens behaviour - is there such a thing as just a naughty child - why does everything have to be given a medical name?

[beatty]

In society in the UK these days I think that some unacceptable behaviours in children are too quickly given a medical name. Why can't people just say that some children are naughty and need to be taught discipline rather than giving the a disorder or medical name to hide behind which then makes the behaviour more acceptable. "oh well yes the reason he behaved like that is because he suffers with X". "oh well that ok then bring on some treatment". this costs the NHS thousands where just a bit of discipline and time spent with children would do wonders. Other countries in Europe have so many fewer "behavioural problems" than here. Why is that?
I have just seen a programme this morning where children who don't know right from wrong after the age of about 3 years old has now been given a medical name...utter tosh...just parents/guardians that are probably just too lazy to bother or even badly behaved themselves (yes discipline does beginat home).

I do understand about many behavioural problems as I am a teacher and see the genuine ones every day but everything is now being given a name. When will people understand that there are naughty children out there and that's just what they are - is not medical problem!!

It took us 10 years to obtain a dx of Aspergers Syndrome for our eldest son now aged 19. That followed my son having a total nervous breakdown aged 11 and after years of know it all teachers telling me that there was not a problem. My son did NOT have behvioural issues at school unless you call daily vomiting a behavioural problem. Teachers thought he was simply too soft
We never got him back into school I am pleased to say and we have now also taken out his younger brother who is autistic. I was sick and tired of having to prove that my sons have a disability and not simply naughty child syndrome.

I now help to run a national support group and receive calls from parents on a daily basis who have children in school with teachers who know best many have had half a days training and even those who have had more tend to think that because you can not see the disability it does not exist. You just have to read the posts made on the teachers forum to realise that we are all too often banging our heads off a brick wall. I also think that the NAS campaign may well fall on deaf ears I really hope not.

Both of my sons have been home educated and are doing just fine I often wonder why teachers find it so hard to believe that a child has a neurological condition while being able to accept a child sitting in a wheel chair

Before all of you teachers load the gun and point it at my head I do have some understanding of the system having been a Chair of Governors for 13 years and very active within that side of things - mostly I did not like what I saw.

Oracle

Actually Kittywits is no worse, and possibly marginally less ignorant than some of the people who posted at the beginning of this thread. Why people can't just be grateful that it is other parents who are crying into their pillows and worried sick about their kids and not them, I will never fathom. Would you love your children to have diabetes? Cerebral palsy? Cancer? So why assume we want our kids to have a lifelong developmental disorder?

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My only evidence is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get everything right all of the time in ANYTHING.

"she is saying that people are too quick to label any kind of naughtiness or behavioural difficulty with some medical jargon when all it is is 'naughtiness' caused for whatever reason"

Yeah, it's just like that. We all really want our kids to have lifelong developmental disabilities and the doctors are all pandering to us. Don't think I don't know what you are getting at. You are wrong.

I assume 'for whatever reason' is an euphemism for 'crap parenting'. It usually is.

Would you say then that every child with behavioural difficulties has SN?

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I would say that every child with behavioural difficulties with a diagnosis of SN has an SN. That is what people have such difficulty understanding, and that is what ruins the lives of children with SN and their parents. Why not just accept that you are bloody lucky? Or does it make you feel good to think that other people are just really bad people with bad children?

Oracle, I home educate my children too. My sister has just finished her PGCE. She had a lecture on special needs teaching for one afternoon! Then she was asked to help SN children during her teaching practise. She came away from the school in tears because of the appalling lack of support and empathy these children had to cope with.

I come away from school in tears about 2-3 days out of five.

So, I ask again. Are you stating that EVERY child who is assessed gets the correct diagnosis? It is not possible, however rigorous the criteria.

Oh FFS, you know perfectly well your previous argument was that many children who are just 'bad' are given a medical diagnosis. That is was a common thing.
You couldn't wait to cheer on the OP with her offensive comment of: "Why can't people just say that some children are naughty and need to be taught discipline rather than giving the a disorder or medical name to hide behind." Now you seem to be changing your tune.

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Sorrell, I count my blessings everyday, believe me. I have good friend with a severly autistic son and I don;'t know hos she copes. I have huge admiration for those parents who have to deal with this day in, day out. I cannot beging to imagine how it must be. My posts were never intended to negate or diminish the sitruatuon of any person here, or indeed any person dealing with this who is not here.

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And you confess to being totally ignorant in this field - no experience, no knowledge - yet you come on this thread cheering on a poster (a teacher - I despair) with her horrible views. No wonder our children suffer so much with other people's, 'Oi, you aren't disabled, get out of that wheelchair and walk, you lazy bastard,' attitudes.

I promise you, you have no idea of how it feels when your child's disability is used against them - and used against you too.

No, I've said that.

I think certain posters are baiting others now, and it is cruel and unfair.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but to consistently challenge someone who has a child with SN and imply that their diagnosis is incorrect, is unnecessary and unkind.

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"Would you say then that every child with behavioural difficulties has SN?"

Of course not, but beatty didn't say that she said that children are "too quickly" diagnosed. Which is utter bollards.

Hmm lets see "teachers behaviour - is there such a thing as just a crap teacher who can't be bothered to find out anything aboout the conditions the children in her classroom have- why does everything have to be blamed on the parents?" How's that for a thread title? Might be closer to the truth.

I hope Hc that you are not implicating me in that statement. You only need to read through my posts to see that I have stated many times that that is not what I am saying. I would take great offence at any suggestion that I was baiting anyone.

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She'sprobably on the TES board (frightening place, don't go there if you need to watch your blood pressure).