childrens behaviour - is there such a thing as just a naughty child - why does everything have to be given a medical name?

[beatty]

In society in the UK these days I think that some unacceptable behaviours in children are too quickly given a medical name. Why can't people just say that some children are naughty and need to be taught discipline rather than giving the a disorder or medical name to hide behind which then makes the behaviour more acceptable. "oh well yes the reason he behaved like that is because he suffers with X". "oh well that ok then bring on some treatment". this costs the NHS thousands where just a bit of discipline and time spent with children would do wonders. Other countries in Europe have so many fewer "behavioural problems" than here. Why is that?
I have just seen a programme this morning where children who don't know right from wrong after the age of about 3 years old has now been given a medical name...utter tosh...just parents/guardians that are probably just too lazy to bother or even badly behaved themselves (yes discipline does beginat home).

I do understand about many behavioural problems as I am a teacher and see the genuine ones every day but everything is now being given a name. When will people understand that there are naughty children out there and that's just what they are - is not medical problem!!

Just to show it's not teachers or anything, Sam just had a huge meltdown in Woolies, and I got pointed at and tutted at by a Nurse.

Now when i did my training (dropped out half way, hated it) we spent time with mentally handicapped services (in 1992) and I would have known I hope to at least reaise the potential of SN- !!!!

Big part of teaching is creating a positive learning environment, and managing behaviour is part of that. If children are not to be treated as "just naughty", then diagnosis and support are vital. You can't just "teach".

following on from another thread I'm in a 'can't be arsed' mood - I'll just say I agree with the OP

Message withdrawn

socci, what is so awful is that you are quite right, parents are the people who end up doing all the work. And it shouldn't be like this.

It is heart breaking.

The situation that we have atm often means that no-One learns in some classes. It is horrific.

Message withdrawn

and we also have our hands tided when we have to teach things which the kids are never going to access, no matter how hard you try.

For example I had to teach that class about chromatography....three children had as their target the learning of the kwy words from year2 and i have to teach them chromatography

FFS! it is insane. In the end it just did masses of practicals with them, which they enjoyed, but in reality thay learned the square root of bugger all

Message withdrawn

It is even worse in maths mb. I had to teach a child who couldn't count to 20 about the mean, median and mode! No statement, no LSA.

Becky i think your getting me wrong here the beggining of the thread was this;

I do understand about many behavioural problems as I am a teacher and see the genuine ones every day but everything is now being given a name. When will people understand that there are naughty children out there and that's just what they are - is not medical problem!!

This isnt her job to judge she isnt employed to make a dx or judgement on anyones child.

When we have kids with sen its a hard enough battle to get people to listen without comments like these my opinion is that if a child is repeatedly "naughty" but not sen he/she still has behaviour issues which need addressing not judgement.
I can tell from your post and others i read from you [stalker emote] that your very commited and knowledgable about your job, unfortunatly that isnt the case across the board as this thread shows.

they were (are) smashing kids. I enjoyed working with them very much. But i did fail them, no matter how hard I tried not to.

They didn't need me, they needed a primary teacher, who knew how to teach them to read .

It was such a waste of their time. I think they enjoyed their lessons and I worked very hard to make them feel that they were suceeding.....which they were, but the progress was so slow and from such a low level that they were constantly getting knocled back. I never told them their test result (they have todo the same test as all the other children) so I would only tell them how they did in relation to the last test. I still remember one girl beaming when I told her that she did twice and well as the last test. What I couldn't tell her was that she scored 8 out of 50

in the end these poor kids decide that school isn't for them and they switch off.....and who can bloody blame them. I don't do French any more because I was crap at it. But we expect these kids to go into school every day and learn that they 'fail'.

It breaks me up, it really does.

So it seems we are in agreement suedenley . And I do agree with your comment about poor behaviour unrelated to diagnoses of SEN. It makes your life easier as a teacher (self-interest here!) if you try to address the cause of the poor behaviour rather than dismiss it as "just naughtiness".