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AnotherMonkey · 18/02/2014 21:30

I've just deleted my original post in an attempt to be more positive.

I'm very low tonight, both of mine (4.5 and nearly 2) are pushing me so far beyond my limits at the moment.

So instead of posting my rant of misery, I wondered if anyone felt like joining me in choosing one thing to be less crap at at time?

Tomorrow, I am going to begin by taking it all less seriously. I'm going to try really really hard not to shout at all (this is difficult because DS is deaf at the moment and often does things which are not safe or bloody annoying but I'm going to find ways around it if I can). Essentially I'm going to try to take a step back and instead of letting poor behaviour bring me down, I'm going to try to isolate problems so that they can be dealt with. I might even make a list. I like lists.

(This evening was so bad I never want to see my neighbours again. I'm quiet, smart and even tempered in real life. Tonight our house must have sounded like a war zone. Or the screaming toddler equivalent. It's shit and it has to change).

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SearchingMySoul · 12/07/2014 14:20

Same here when I saw you were all still here monkey! I honestly thought the thread would have petered off and was not expecting to see it up there at the top! This is a good thing you started! :)
I am not sure why the PM didn't work - probably something I did wrong when I changed my name. I still receive messages for nellie2477 :)
Hope all is going well for you and your DCs. I have thought about you a lot and (unnecessarily) mourned the loss of my support group. I think I have been focusing on trying to build a support network here and meet new people, which is going well but so far have not met many (any!) others with similar ages to my too. I have a nice book club group who are all very friendly but have younger babies and look at me a little blankly when I talk about my challenges with DS1 and DS2!
It has been so long since I last posted - how do I sum it up? I guess we are all feeling a lot more settled in this crazy city and starting to feel at home. DS1 finished preschool and summer camp and we are now in the summer holidays waiting for him to start Kindergarten in September. DH is having to hold the fort again entertaining both of them at home for 6 weeks until we go on holiday back to the UK for 2 weeks. I guess that has been a source of stress because DS1 has started to revert a little to his original behaviour because he is not as tired and he is not as challenged during the day. Weekends have been a bit fraught but mainly due to DH and I being at loggerheads about parenting. I have been struggling a lot with how to handle our differences because I don't want to say anything which he will take as criticism but at the same time I sometimes cannot bite my tongue when I see behaviour that is totally the opposite to the efforts I have been focused on to make our household a more respectful and calm place. I have asked DH to read How to Talk to Kids because I think of all the books I have read it is the one which makes the most sense across the board, and which I feel might speak to him the most in realising that the way he speaks to the children is so important. We had a bit of a heart to heart last weekend - well I guess it was more me just getting out all the things I had been wanting to say and him not really saying too much. But I do feel it was necessary and I feel like now we at least have an understanding of where our disconnect is and we can work on it. He agreed to read the book too which is good... :) I continue to have good and bad days in terms of the ways I deal with the boys but I really love your idea of counting the days where you feel happy with the way you parented that day (rather than the no shouting thing which kind of stopped working for me because I could not shout but still hate the way I dealt with things). On the flip side, work is much better - I feel a lot more settled and accepted particularly by my direct reports. The summer here is amazing - so hot! It feels like a holiday every day! And the options for stuff to do with the kids are endless - sprinkler water fun in every playground and all sorts of activities going on each weekend in parks and museums and streets. What I struggle with the most is how to deal with the boys when they start to argue and fight which is about 10 times every hour on average.... Siblings without rivalry is next on my list but if anyone has any other recommendations I would be happy to hear them!
Just as an intro to those I don't know - I have a DS1 (5) and DS2 (2.5) and we relocated to the US about 6 months ago.
Happy weekends all round!

mandbaby · 12/07/2014 20:23

Just read my last post back - so many typos! I really shouldn't post on my tablet.

Well, hubby woke up after his lie-in and everything was "back to normal" - just a typical day in the Mandbaby house. Only problem was I spent the day walking on eggshells, overreacting at everything our boys did in order to prevent another major blowout from DH. Which means I had a shitty day. I lost it a few times with both boys and have had a constant tightness in my chest all day. Of course, since reading these parenting books, I'm now realising that my "bad mood" does cause them to act up more - a vicious circle - so the more stressed and angry I got, the more they played up, and so on.

Just like you Searching I also intend to read "Siblings Without Rivalry" next, as 95% of the stress in our house is caused by my boys' inability to share and play nicely. This often results in a bit of shoving, which then leads to pinches or punches. It's been especially bad this last couple of weeks and is driving me doolally. Today was no exception and I've had to pull them apart many times.

I finished "when kids push your buttons" and found it interesting. Not as good as "stop yelling, start connecting" but good. I'm now reading "10 days to a less defiant child" which, so far, is very easy reading. So many poignant paragraphs and "lightbulb" moments. But why can't I apply them in the "heat of the moment"? I suppose I shouldn't be so hard on myself. I did great yesterday. Just not today.

I feel so low this evening. Even though hubby and I are on speaking terms and, as far as he's concerned, everything's hunky-dory, I've just got this horrible feeling inside of me. My chest is tight, my baby wont stop kicking, I feel nauseous and dizzy, and worst of all I fear for the future. I fear that my boys will grow up to be arrogant, angry, volatile, selfish, rude men.

Please tell me that it's pregnancy hormones, or just a natural response to a couple of shitty days. On a positive note, tomorrow will be a better day as it can't really be any worse than the last two, can it?! Onwards and upwards...

Letsgoforawalk · 12/07/2014 21:26

searching those are some great positives about work and being able to talk to DH about your difficulties. Good to have you back!
mandbaby sounds like those stress hormones are still charging around inside you. could you get away for a swim or a walk or a Bike, or listen to a relaxation cd to try and let them dissipate? What you describe sounds extremely difficult. Arguments and anger without resolution are horrid, it is all still there.

Don't worry about their future today. Your boys will be what they will be. When I first had children I had this idea that they would be either like me or like their father in temperament, personality etc. Confused wrong wrong wrong. They are totally unique, and will continually astonish you with the fact that they are like no one you have ever met. I think my eldest was about 14 when I realised that how she coped with the world was not all down to me and what I may or may not have done. It was like a weight being lifted. They have free will, intelligence and make choices about their behaviour. They are not little computers that are programmed into a certain pattern.

Relate has been helpful to some people that I know, in terms of enabling honest communication and thereby finding solutions. It does however depend on acknowledgement that there is something that needs to be talked about..and that an outsider could help.....which is possibly the difficult bit.
Wishing you well Brew Cake

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 12/07/2014 21:54

Hi,
I'm reading but keep running out of time. to think it all over and post properly.

mandbaby huge sympathies. I find it really hard that my.dh and I don't parent similarly and now I'm doing/ have done lots of reading which I also fail to practice in the heat of the moment I find I'm more frustrated he's not doing the same. I'm. definitely more on edge around him too eg when it's taking ages to get out the house, as it will with 2 two year olds and a 3 year old, and end up snapping at the children in a way that doesn't help and is just a release of my stress. At least I recognise it now. Bit harder to stop it but I hope it's improving. My dh also does the put it behind you and it's over crap. I hate it.

Sorry all, I'm. out of time. Again. Some progress on bedtimes here though with the sleep consultant programme with the worst twin but t'others taken up the gauntlet nowHmm

Letsgoforawalk · 13/07/2014 11:50

Hi dreaming !
I meant to say earlier, but mandbabys awful evening occupied my mind..... purple welcome to the thread, and did I read right you have your own stream? Your lucky lucky children! I'm sorry I think I would have been using the wall to make big splashes too [embarrased]

Letsgoforawalk · 13/07/2014 12:12

Doh
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SearchingMySoul · 14/07/2014 02:35

(Urgh, just totally deleted my really long post.... here goes again)

Hope you have had a lovely weekend, and that yours got better, mandbaby
I wanted to share with you a conversation I had with my 5 yr old tonight. I just put him to bed myself for the first time in weeks, without him kicking off. Normally DH has to take him to bed because he goes a bit nuts when I do it and he starts playing up in every possible way, generally ending in not a very nice bedtime for either of us. So tonight I got him out of the bath and got him ready for bed. He said he didn't want a story but wanted to draw instead until bedtime. So I sat with him and he basically asked me things I liked so he could draw them. Then he moved on to stick people and drew his brother and himself and me. He explained the scene: DS2 was crying and he was straight faced. I was standing in the middle and had sent him to his room (with a giant pointy hand!) He said that I thought he had pushed his brother but actually he had been helping him (he was sent to his room twice today, once to calm down after hitting and shoving his brother and once to calm down when he was throwing toys and getting a bit crazy when we had friends over. Both times I saw him do these things, btw). Then he drew what he called a "temporary cast" (no idea where this came from) which was like a gauge that went from black to green to orange to brown to red to purple. He said when he gets past green he starts to be naughty and if I tell him off it gets further and further up the gauge. He said "it's my brain - when you tell me off it gets thicker and thicker until it is like a boulder and I can't stop being naughty" DH and I spent some time asking him about what we can do to bring it back to green and black when he is feeling that way. Not sure we really got to the bottom of that but he said he was going to keep the picture close to him (took it to bed with him) to remind him. How incredible a representation of anger and loss of control is that? I am astounded. I took him to his room and he told me he has nightmares when he goes to sleep but they are not like anyone else's because they are like real life. I just wanted to hold him and carry him to my bed and cuddle him all night like I used to. But instead I told him nightmares are not real even if they seem like they are, I told him I loved him, kissed him and left the room. Jeez, this parenting lark really doesn't give any let up, does it?? If only I had a "temporary cast" to show me how much I am screwing up or otherwise with each scenario I tackle...!

BertieBotts · 14/07/2014 09:06

Wow searching, that's incredible! And why did you end the story by referring to yourself "screwing up"? This is proof that 1, he's comfortable enough with his emotions and emotionally literate enough to put them down onto paper like this, 2 he feels safe and comfortable enough with you to bring it up openly with you and 3 he found a way to do it which was calm, communicative and non violent. Those three things are massive on their own and you have them all together :) and when you listened to him, you allowed him to talk about another thing which has been bothering him - the nightmares. Maybe he's trying to explain that when he's in them he doesn't know he's dreaming? You could give him a dreaming technique to deal with this - often in dreams the things we expect/imagine appear true, so you could tell him if he ever encounters a monster he should look for his monster fighting belt/cape/whatever, because it's magic and will protect him.

mandbaby · 14/07/2014 09:08

Searching OMG, what a clever little boy your 5yo sounds! That's so amazing that he was able to express his feelings like that. I'm not even sure I could do it with such clarity! Like you said though, heavy stuff, and really does make you think.

Well, thankfully I had a better day yesterday. (Maybe my very short lie-in helped) but I was definitely more patient with the boys and the hubby. I'm sure my pregnancy hormones and general 3rd trimester fatigue has a lot to do with it too. But something occurred to me on the way to work this morning - I am definitely more "shouty" when hubby has had a huge blow out with the kids. I remember a couple of instances in recent months where hubby's tolerance of them has been unrealistically low, and to prevent HIM losing it, I try and be more of a disciplinarian and end up being the one who loses it.

DS2 has a bit of an obsession with lawnmowers and has had for about a year. He has two toy ones of his own, and one comes with its own little petrol can. Yesterday, he was happily pretending to cut the grass and hubby made a sarcastic comment about petrol cans. I reminded him that he was 3yo and that he would have poured the contents out no matter what the can had contained. Hubby suggested that the smell should have alerted him to the fact it was dangerous and therefore shouldn't be touched. Confused Oh come on! Seriously?! Does he REALLY believe that? The poor boy is barely 3! As if he has any clue as to all to the dangers in this scary world. My hubby's expectations of our boys are way, way off the scale. He really compares them to teenagers. :(

It's so weird because although hubby is less tolerant of their age-appropriate behaviour, the boys (well, definitely DS1) would choose daddy as their favourite. But it's me that they behave better for. Hubby can ask them to do things over and over and they wont listen to a word. With me, they're alot better. Not perfect (whose kids are?!) but better. For example, due to DH's job, there are often times when he doesn't come home until after the boys' bedtime (parents evenings, etc) and I always find that mealtimes, bathtimes and bedtimes are SO much easier without him. Yes, I have to do everything with no help, but there are never any power struggles. Both boys just happily get their teeth brushed, go to bed, don't ask for more and more stories. They just snuggle down and are asleep within minutes. When DH is home, the whole routine can drag on for 30 minutes longer. I don't really know how they are for hubby when I'm not around as that is VERY rare. I don't think he's ever had to put them to bed by himself. But the boys definitely seem to play up more when we're both around.

The 6 week holiday starts next week so I'm going to draw up a plan of something to do EVERY day. Come rain or shine, I'll make sure that all 4 of us stick to the plan, but hopefully, having something to look forward to each day will focus our energy and attention and prevent boredom setting in. Any ideas (particularly free ones) greatly appreciated!

I've read the first 3 chapters of "10 days to a less defiant child". So far, it's been brilliant (so much so that my pink highlighter pen ran out!). One of the things it suggests to prevent yelling is to keep a diary and every day write in something that happened that day that made you want to shout, and whether you did or not. It then suggests that the day or week after, read what you wrote and reflect on whether the incident really was worthy of losing your temper and yelling. The idea is, hopefully, you'll see that most things aren't worthy of yelling which should, over time, re-train your brain into not yelling when the incidents actually occur. I'm also going to write in an example every day of when my children were angels, to remind myself that they're not defiant all of the time, probably not even half the time.

Have a great day everyone xx

p.s. Bertie whereabouts in Germany do you live? Hubby often talks about moving there as he loves Germany. I've only ever been to Munich which I thought was simply stunning.

Letsgoforawalk · 14/07/2014 15:46

I love the smell of petrol, and I know it is quite a dangerous thing, creosote too........mmmmmm

mandbaby there is something I mentioned further up the thread but I think it was before you joined the thread that might be good to look into.
There is an organisation called 'homestart' that is there to support families with pre school children, not "problem" families just people like you with a few young children, a limited support network and in need of support. Having 3 under 5 yrs pretty much automatically qualifies you for their help. They send round a volunteer who becomes whatever sort of friend you need(in theory!). The volunteers are all trained and their main qualifying criteria is that they have "been there". I think you can self refer or your HV can refer you.

mandbaby · 14/07/2014 19:29

Letsgoforawalk Thanks for that, I will definitely look into it. It would really help having someone to talk to and moan at.

Had a fraught evening tonight. It took longer than usual to get the boys settled and it became power struggle after power struggle. I was getting so wound up and DH was just telling me to chill and give the boys a break (Pah! Pot and kettle spring to mind). I'd usually be doing my pregnancy yoga tonight, which helps SO much with how my body feels and my mind, but I just can't afford it this week. I'm trying hard to save for everything DC3 will need and also to have some nice days out in the Summer with the boys. Guess I'll just have to settle for reading more of my parenting book in the bath with a few candles. Wish I could have a huge glass of Wine as well.

BertieBotts · 14/07/2014 21:41

You can have a virtual glass Wine (I know it's not the same!)

I'm in Karlsruhe which is very near the French and fairly close to the Swiss border in the south west, part of the Rhine valley.

Letsgoforawalk · 14/07/2014 21:51

I loved doing yoga when pregnant, certainly helped with labour, and calming breathing techniques for later parenting challenges. are there things you've learned in class that you can do at home?
I'll share a virtual Wine something tasty from the Rhine valley perhaps?

SetTheWorldOnFire · 14/07/2014 22:03

I keep getting into the same situation with this thread, by the time I've caught up with everything everyone has written (and I've still got so many more links I want to follow up!), it's almost too late to post, I'm tired and know the most important thing for keeping it together tomorrow is a good night's sleep!

Hoping to catch up a bit more thoroughly soon... still here and still reading, even if the posting is a bit sporadic...

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 14/07/2014 22:40

mandbaby I love the diary idea. need to find a suitable notebook/diary now. Today again the time I snapped-not shouted at least- was when we were getting home from dd swimming lesson. X2 so the first time I literally pulled up on the drive and realised I'd left my phone at the gym her lessons are at (one of the twins fell on way out of the play area at the end, bleeding mouth, it must have fallen out if my pocket as I scooped him up) so had to turn around a rend drive all the way back. 3 dc out of the car. into the gym. get phone. 3 dc back in the car. Again. In the rain of course. So then I'm stressing I haven't chased up whether a bike my dad is buying dd us or is not arriving tomorrow. He's chasing me about whether it is or not as to whether he comes up or not. DC bickering. I snap at them to stop winding each orher up when really I'm just feeling cross and busy but it's not really them. I think I will be so horrified by my diary and how much of it will end up being me/ my thoughts/ expectations/ needs as opposed to my dc behaviour. I don't want to be a stressy snappy mum. Or them to remember me like that. So I really need to work on my reactions. Blush Sad

searching I'm another one flabbergasted at your 5 year olds insight and emotional maturity he showed there. I think you did so well to listen and be there for him.

DreamingOfAFullNightsSleep · 14/07/2014 22:45

Shame you missed your yoga mandbaby especially when you know you'd feel better after. I find it makes such a difference how I feel in myself as to how the day goes too. Third trimester is always going to suck though.

I meant to a add I'm dreading tonight as it's the Night DT1 Must Sleep In His Own Bed (as part of the sleep consultant plan) She has transformed bedtimes here when it used to be soul destroying bedlam ending in tears (sometimes mine) to tonight, a nearly civilised affair. I should have faith I suppose but I know he'll go mental. wake my dh. Who'll also go mad. (he has a really busy day at work tomorrow plus was up with dd twice and dt2 once last night as I had dt1 in with me and if I get up he does too which doesn't help get any dc to sleep Hmm ) Also dreading how I'll cope tomorrow if it's as bad as I think tonight. And tomorrow. and the next night. ..

PartyFops · 14/07/2014 22:55

Just marking my place, will start to work through this for some tips, dd is pushing all my buttons right now and I need to learn how to improve. Hmm

I am getting better at not shouting but am in need of ideas. Grin

SearchingMySoul · 15/07/2014 00:28

dreaming good luck tonight. Have faith, he might surprise you. And if it sucks, just remember it's part of a plan to get to a better place. Each day at a time. Fingers crossed for you!

lemondriz · 15/07/2014 08:20

I'm reading very excitedly.. I have only got to Feb so far I'm such a slow reader it's gonna take me a week to catch up ...... Bloody brilliant stuff tho... I am in completely the sane place as everyone with the drip, drip, drip is spot in and with the shouting I agree it doesn't send a good message but fine it has an immediate effect when u need it to but it's the worst thing in the long run.... I also have a very loud voice -a bellowing voice as my kind do puts it- so when I am just trying to do my stern voice it comes out as a shout...

BertieBotts · 15/07/2014 09:06

If anyone's having trouble keeping up you can always post first and then go back and read :)

mandbaby · 15/07/2014 09:46

Dreaming Hope you had a good night last night? I've just ordered this: (hope the link works) www.amazon.co.uk/Tallon-A5-Academic-Student-Diary/dp/B003M8R0AU/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

For 1.15 including delivery, you can't go wrong. On days where I can't be bothered don't have the time to write, I'll just sum the day up with a smiley, sad or straight face.

Bertie Wow, what a beautiful part of the world to live in, and so many exciting places within just an hour or two's drive.

Yes, it was a shame missing yoga - it really does help. I try and apply the relaxation techniques at home, especially the breathing, but I really am pretty hopeless in motivating myself to do the exercices. As soon as the boys are in bed, there's either chores to do or I just flop down on the bed in a crumpled, exhausted heap. Blush

BertieBotts · 15/07/2014 11:34

It is gorgeous. As soon as you get slightly out of the city you can see mountains everywhere. (They laugh at me for calling them mountains, though!) We really need to get a car because you're right about there being so many great places easily accessible.

mandbaby · 15/07/2014 11:47

What took you out there? (Sorry for being ignorant - I'm sure this has already been mentioned further down in the thread).

We frequently talk about moving abroad and if we did it would probably be to either Germany or the USA. The beauty of DH being a teacher means that he can pretty much do his job anywhere in the world as there will always be English schools wanting teachers. The only thing that keeps me in the UK is my boys' relationship with my parents - they absolutely adore each another and it would break all their hearts if we were to move. I just couldn't do it to them :(

Letsgoforawalk · 15/07/2014 22:27

Another one here wondering how dreamings sleep plan went!?

BertieBotts · 15/07/2014 22:34

DH's job really - was about three years ago now that he applied, never thinking he'd get it. It's always been his dream to work in the gaming industry and it's just not easy to get in in the UK, plus a lot of the companies are struggling with the economy etc, but the industry's doing really well here.

Took me a really long time to decide if we would come out too or not. In the end we did a year long distance and I did the teacher training course so that I was going out for me (which I was - it had always been a dream of mine to go abroad with small children for a year or two!) and not just following him because I thought that would be tougher. Plus then if the relationship went wrong etc (we'd only been together a year when he applied) at least I'd gone for a reason and I wouldn't be feeling shit and trapped and like everything had gone wrong. It was a great decision, I love it, it's been tough at times though. Emotionally etc.