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AnotherMonkey · 18/02/2014 21:30

I've just deleted my original post in an attempt to be more positive.

I'm very low tonight, both of mine (4.5 and nearly 2) are pushing me so far beyond my limits at the moment.

So instead of posting my rant of misery, I wondered if anyone felt like joining me in choosing one thing to be less crap at at time?

Tomorrow, I am going to begin by taking it all less seriously. I'm going to try really really hard not to shout at all (this is difficult because DS is deaf at the moment and often does things which are not safe or bloody annoying but I'm going to find ways around it if I can). Essentially I'm going to try to take a step back and instead of letting poor behaviour bring me down, I'm going to try to isolate problems so that they can be dealt with. I might even make a list. I like lists.

(This evening was so bad I never want to see my neighbours again. I'm quiet, smart and even tempered in real life. Tonight our house must have sounded like a war zone. Or the screaming toddler equivalent. It's shit and it has to change).

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Letsgoforawalk · 23/03/2014 22:24

They are lovely when they're lovely aren't they. My big DD1 has been home this weekend. DD2 is always very glad to see her so it was nice they went out shopping together. It is my youngest that is that wonderful mix of talented, bright, articulate, passionate, determined, vocal, quick to anger, argumentative.....and she can lob quite a grenade into the family dynamics when she wants to.
It doesn't happen often fortunately, screens are a trigger, they are so addictive. I also need to be aware of how tiredness and hunger affect her.
monkey that is disappointing but honest about losing your count! you are still doing great though and I'm glad you've had a good weekend. It is nice to hear about your DD as well Smile she sounds great fun

Nellie2477 · 24/03/2014 01:44

I am sorry to hear that Monkey - but I'm glad you had a fairly good weekend despite that. If it make you feel any better, I lost mine too Sad. It has been another exhausting weekend to be completely honest. With moments of utter love and brilliance interspersed with moments of complete panic at what is becoming the dreadful "norm" in our family life. How long till it becomes just what we live with and no longer excusable because of the move, the unrest, the change?

To break down the things that made me feel this way:

DS1 no longer getting angry or upset at his brother interfering with something of his or a game he is playing, or even just not understanding what DS1 wants him to do - now he goes straight for a full on punch with intention to hurt.

DS1 hitting me for seemingly no reason at all, like when we left the house for a day out. He was holding my hand, pulling on my arm as we waited for the lights and then lets go and falls laughing as he rolls on the ground. I ask him without shouting to get up and he starts to lay into me.

DS1 screaming like a f*cking banshee at the top of his lungs no matter where he is if he gets told he can't have something (normally for one of the above behaviours). We walked for 15 minutes with him down a busy 3rd avenue with him yelling "I want ICE CREAAAAAAAAM!!!"

Going to bed with no issues after a pretty nice day where I took him out by himself and we spent most of the day together, only to hear him after about 10 mins of quiet shout at his brother to "go back to sleep", make his brother cry and then after going in and asking him to get back into bed, kicking off a shouting competition yelling at the top of his voice just through sheer bloody mindedness.

The little gem tonight was that although DS2 initially took part in the shouting, eventually started refusing to take part. I listened to DS1 say "Shout as loud as you can" and DS2 said "no, me not want to". I went in, dragged DS1 out and shoved him in our room, where he still is now, and went back to give DS2 a cuddle and tell him he was a good boy. He just wanted to go to sleep bless him.

I love both of my sons and I have had such a lovely day with DS1 today, but then there are times I really struggle to like him, if I am completely honest. I really wonder what breaking point looks like and how close it is. Sorry for the negativity but it's just so bloody hard. I know all DS1 needs is routine and friends but at the moment, nobody is going to even want to be his friend and I can't bring myself to invite anyone round to witness that kind of behaviour. Sad

Nellie2477 · 24/03/2014 02:01

Ugh - I hate myself for writing that Sad. I love him more than I can even say - it is the behaviour I dislike and I just want to know why he is doing it. Everything I read tells me he is just trying to deal with things without having the tools to do it, but when it is so seemingly deliberate and malicious I just don't know what to do. When I shouted at him (a couple of times) it didn't even register as a failure in my no yelling plan because I really don't know how else I could have dealt with it.

DishesToDoButCuppaFirst · 24/03/2014 08:32

Hi everyone sorry I have been a bit distracted lately and haven't been keeping tabs on the thread. Or a lot of things!

But Another I did read your post on SN board and it is a diag I have thought about for our DS. He doesn't fit all the things though. But still keeping open mind. Phew. And Nellie it fits your DS too? If so many of us are looking at spectrum related issues it explains why things have been stressful! But also there is a big range of normal.

And I wonder how much anxiety has a role to play, for my DS situation at least. That makes me think about the Highly Sensitive Child stuff. Can't remember if we've talked about that on here but I've read a bit about that and it fits DS pretty well. And me!

I can see for sure that the more calm I remain, the calmer and happier he is. I already knew that but it is SO hard to maintain under enormous stress and upheaval. Part of it seems to be having that parenting style we aim for being more and more automatic even when we're stressed, be good when that kicks in Wink

We have had some grumpy moments the last few days but nowhere near as awful as they had been, and we're having more lovely times and seeing DS blossom more too. I think you can get into negative spirals and positive ones too. Actually it may as well be the alignment of the planets for all I know!

Will come and read posts properly again soon. Just wanted to check in and ramble exhaustedly for a bit Grin

DishesToDoButCuppaFirst · 24/03/2014 08:36

Oh Nellie I just saw your last post Sad that sounds so bloody hard. I have totally been there with the liking thing, it is heart breaking. Wine and Brew and hugs (((Nellie)))

AnotherMonkey · 24/03/2014 13:54

Nellie, it's so strange reading your posts sometimes, it's like seeing my own quietest thoughts in text form. Except it wasn't me who wrote them. It's a bit surreal sometimes.

I put into words for the first time this weekend to DH my fear that this isn't just a long, tricky phase. And that sentence sparks a million other thoughts and worries and challenges.

Your love for your 2 boys shines through your posts though, Nellie. I wish I had answers but I know you'll find your way. Hopefully preschool will be a positive step forwards too - that begins next week, doesn't it? It's great that you got to spend some time with DS1.

Something I've realised this weekend is the extent to which I'm cutting myself off from family. The PILs for example - I've always enjoyed seeing them and while DH had always been a bit aware of their judging, while I was happy I really didn't care. I just saw it as them being from a different generation. But at the moment I'm struggling to cope with it and I don't want to see them. This applies to other people, too. DH is inviting them round next weekend and I want to cry.

Letsgo thanks again for the encouragement. It's funny how tiredness and hunger have such an impact on our moods. You get used to dealing with that when they're little and somehow imagine that won't apply when they're older... which makes no sense because when I'm tired I'm no fun to be around at all!

Dishes thanks for reading my other post. Are there any links you'd recommend for the highly sensitive child stuff? I'm so glad you're having a better time of it at the moment - thanks for checking in :)

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AnotherMonkey · 24/03/2014 20:02

An easy 1 today.

Tonight's thoughts... I'm starting to identify that DS's physical outbursts are kind of like their own language.

When DS got home with DH after school, I met them at the door. I was met with DS's shut-off face, a slightly half-hearted kick in the shins and a sort of flappy attempt at hitting. Which is the behaviour I now see as not acceptable but not violent either and so picked him up, gave him a big hug and took him to the living room to find out what was the matter. He felt sad (he clarified, not angry, sad) about dropping his cake in the puddle.

We talked about it, I let him watch his favourite TV programme for a bit, and everything was good.

So I feel that with this aspect of his behaviour we're making real progress and it's this scenario I really want to think about this week - giving him the tools to explain that he's sad without having to resort to the now-half-hearted physical stuff at all.

(There's a whole load of other physical stuff which isn't as half-hearted but this one seems so specific)

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jigglebum · 24/03/2014 20:57

Evening everyone, still reading but haven't had much time to post recently. monkey I have the "raising your spirited child" book, which talks about different traits in "spirited" children, many of which fit DD and although a bit American for my liking it did get me to think through a few things about how to deal with her. The part on temper tantrums was good reading for me as it made it clear that "normal" distraction/ignore techniques are not always the most effective for spirited children and for DD I now use a mix of ignore and offering cuddles and calm. She threw an epic at school pick up last week - we were the talking point of the parents waiting outside. A few tried distraction with her (complete fail!), a few looked in absolute horror and said their kid(s) had never did that etc, but although it involved a rugby tackle hold and trying to speak calm words to her I could let it wash over me mostly. She calmed down when she eventually got what she wanted which was to go home!!

Feeling quite fed up tonight though. Tired and fed up with DH being a prat. Basically if I don't act nice and friendly to him he just ignores me. If I am nice I get it thrown back in my face within 48 hours for doing something "wrong" so I cant be bothered to be the one who always puts the effort in. He picks and chooses when to parent and then criticises me if I get stressed about the DCs or everything else I have to do. (I do all the housework, washing, shopping, most of the cooking (all DCs meals), organising, gardening, finances etc.) He works and plays with the kids and will occasionally cook, unload the dishwasher and does DIY. In the mornings he literally gets himself up, showered and breakfasted and I do everything else. He works from home so doesn't get up till 8am ish and the two days I work he takes the kids to school but doesn't do anything to prepare for that. Ahhh sorry rant over. We have argued so many times about it in our lives that I don't anymore but I do get pissed off.

BertieBotts · 24/03/2014 22:40

hillbilly also the book When Your Kids Push Your Buttons, that's really good for when you're getting angry/wound up by things and you don't know why.

Monkey that sounds really positive. And if it's moved from full-hearted to half hearted that's definitely an improvement :) Sorry to hear about the PILs - I think it's fair to try and keep distance a bit while you're working things out. Hope the weekend visit isn't too long.

jiggle he sounds really stressful to be around!

Nellie just wanted to offer virtual hug/handhold and say I have been there with my 5 year old, thank god things seem to have settled down now, although we got a glimpse of it returning when he was ill last week, but I can relate to the feeling of not liking them very much, and guilt relating to those feelings :( Not sure if it's better or worse that he doesn't have a sibling and hence was taking it all out on me. Direct me to an earlier post if I'm repeating a question, but how are you dealing with these outbursts currently and what's your general discipline "vibe" (if that makes sense?) pre move if anything was different. Also, how long ago did you move? DS' behaviour issues were definitely linked to an international move and we've been here 7 months now. He's been calmer for the last month or two but I don't know if we're out of the woods. I don't want to jinx it!

DishesToDoButCuppaFirst · 25/03/2014 01:21

Another, the book is by Elaine Aron and called The Highly Sensitive Child. She wrote one about sensitive adults previously. I read the adult one years ago and thought well yes I am highly sensitive but I don't need to be all precious about it! And sort of wrote it off a bit.

But with DS being so full on and seeming to have such deep feelings I checked out the child part of her website www.hsperson.com/pages/child.htm and DS was a yes to nearly every question.

Apart from that website the only thing I've really used as a resource is the group on Facebook. Can't remember what it's called off the top of my head. But that whole approach gives me more context and tools for whatever might be going on.

Things are better parenting wise but still stressy. DS has taken to hitting himself on the head when angry or frustrated. He did this late last year and it seems to have started again in earnest. I'm still not exactly sure what approach to take. Tried ignoring and not 'feeding' the behaviour but I don't think that's helping. So I'm going to try and catch it with 'I won't let you hurt yourself' if close and trying to name the feelings (angry sad frustrated not sure) and model empathy kindness. Anyway that is my plan as of this morning!

So not all lovely butterflies and sunshine. DP and myself have been having some issues, I'm re-experiencing some old trauma (great timing!), family who might help all seem busy and preoccupied, and money is oh so tight. So still a fair bit of stress really.

But if I can get a handle on being a good mum to DS and he is a happier and more settled boy, then that is a HUGE thing for me. Just wish I didn't feel so alone with it. But resilience and all that I guess.

DishesToDoButCuppaFirst · 25/03/2014 01:22

Jiggle your post made me feel mad. Why oh why are us mums expected to parent other adults too? Grr...

Nellie2477 · 25/03/2014 01:34

Monkey - thank you, and I hope you are doing ok too. Knowing our children are so similar makes me reassured on one hand but also sad on the other because I know how hard it is and therefore how strong you are having to be. I never knew how much strength was required to be a parent and makes me think even more of my mum doing it all on her own with four of us. I always knew she was strong but now I get a glimpse of how much.
Jiggle - I really feel for you. It is so hard when you can't rely on or even just lean on the person who should be there for you. I hope you can work it out for the better
Bertie - thank you too. It makes me feel hope to hear that because I SO want this to be about the move and for us to be able to fix it by getting more settled. I know what you mean about not wanting to jinx it. I feel we live treading on eggshells at the moment and it is so draining. To answer your questions, before we moved I used timeout and when he didn't stay in timeout I would send him to his room upstairs. He would shout and trash the room but he would stay there and eventually calm down (sometimes even climb into bed and go to sleep!). Since we moved and started living in an apartment I don't know if it is the fact we are all on one level or that he doesn't have his own room (that could be a lot to do with it) he will not go and stay in timeout or his room or anywhere unless I hold the door handle to stop him getting out. I have done that a couple of times recently just because it actually seems to stop the "manic hysteria" behaviour where he is just pushing every button he can find and laughing at me, and make him get angry and upset which I can almost handle better because I can then get him to stop and explain to me what is going on. I will be honest I am really struggling for how to be firm and discipline for the unacceptable behaviour at the same time as trying not to shout or lose the plot at him. I am trying not to use removal of treats or rewards because of the explosive child book where they say maybe this just adds fuel to the fire if the problem is he doesn't know how to transition away from frustration - and I definitely see that in him (eg the ice cream episode above was just an escalation of frustration that he could not handle). So I am left with just sending him away but that means I have to go and stand there holding the door or take him outside (if he is kicking off when we are at someone's house or somewhere else) and walk with him until he can calm down. I don't think it is the right way to handle as he actually gets my full attention when he behaves that way which might actually be what he's after. But I can't just ignore him hitting his brother or me so I am kind of stuck really Confused
I've realised bedtime success at the moment is purely down to him and whether he feels like kicking off or not, which tonight he didn't really. I do feel like we are being held to ransom by him and need to find a better way. Sorry for the ramble...!

Nellie2477 · 25/03/2014 01:38

And meant to also say Dishes thanks for the hugs and thoughts!

DishesToDoButCuppaFirst · 25/03/2014 07:34

You're welcome Nellie, I hope things have gotten a bit easier...? Ramble as much as required. Agree that removal of treats and rewards adds fuel to the fire. I think it can even complicate things having treats and rewards tied into certain behaviours. Pondering that one. We just expect DS to respect our boundaries without a reward but wow it is tough going! Can see why people hand out lollypops and things really. DS did take some meds recently when bribed... we were pretty desperate for him to take them Grin

My sense is that rewards and treats can backfire because it is like you are bargaining with them and if they say no then what do you do after that! Like it makes it into a power struggle when it should already be clear that the parent is in charge, and they can smell the desperation! Luckily chocolate coins are irresistible Grin

I don't have any answer for being forced to give attention to the behaviour. Some sources suggest that isn't necessarily a bad thing, that they are seeking connection. But I can't shake that 'ignore the bad reward the good' thing. I wonder if it is a subtle dance of ignoring the bad behaviour while attending to the child's emotions. Will ponder that one more too...

Just had another look at the Highly Sensitive Child test on the link I posted before and I was totally wrong saying DS was a positive on nearly all of them. That was actually me on the adult one Smile DS scores on quite a few but some of the questions he isn't at a place where we can tell the answer. For example I'm not sure how to tell when a three year old is really intuitive or has an clever sense of humour Hmm

I think I've read a thing on highly sensitive toddlers somewhere else and it fitted pretty well. Can't remember where or what though, sorry. And part of it might be me wanting him to fit that rather than AS which seems scarier even though I know he can have an awesome life and be an amazing person with AS.

ScoutFinchMockingbird · 25/03/2014 08:52

Stay strong everyone. Sounds like you are all trying really hard.

I actually managed not to shout this weekend - mostly because we were with friends. But I was even prouder of myself last night. Usually when I don't shout because of circumstances (e.g. MIL or friends being around), I build up the tension and then unfortunately let it all out later by shouting when DD kicks off.
Last night she was really tired after the weekend with another toddler (which she loved, but obviously they egged each other on) and then a day at nursery and so she kicked and screamed and tantrummed about dinner. Instead of yelling at her, I just walked out the room for 5 mins (she was sat in the highchair, so no harm could come to her), calmed down by reading bits of this thread, imagined you all cheering me on, and then returned and calmly sang DD down (this always works, but I don't always think to do it) and then played feeding her toy and then me and then her, which meant she actually enjoyed dinner.

So - can I at least have a Len Goodman style "seven" please?!

AnotherMonkey · 25/03/2014 09:27

(((((Jigglebum)))))) that is rubbish :(

I think I may end up reading the spirited child book as DD gets a bit older, I've got a feeling it might suit her quite well.

Dishes I had a look at that link and also found this googling Highly Sensitive Toddler. There are things which do apply to DS, but it doesn't seem to quite fit him. I know exactly what you mean though about wanting that to fit - I don't know why this is - DS is who he is whether there's a specific 'label' or not - but I felt the same way.

I'll come back to these later as at work and haven't got time to reply properly. Nellie, it takes so much strength doesn't it, on so many levels. My DS really doesn't respond well to 'normal' reward and sanction methods. There are so many facets to this.

I also feel very angry (that's the best word I can come up with, it doesn't really cover it) at people who don't get this and judge. Which is hugely hypocrital, as a month ago I had no idea about much of this either. That's something else for me to get to grips with (this thread is like counselling for me at the moment!).

Will be back later, sorry to ignore so much of what's been said x

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AnotherMonkey · 25/03/2014 10:00

Scout that's brilliant!! I may also steal your techniques! Fab :)

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ScoutFinchMockingbird · 25/03/2014 10:28

Thanks Monkey! With regard to songs, I find ones with her name in work really well e.g. "Fuuuulllll naaaame, fuuulllll naaame, she's the bestest girl" to the tune of Frere Jacques etc.

The feeding a toy idea actually came from her - she has a very active imagination (part of the problem?!) and I do find it really good as you can say in a funny voice (on behalf of toy) "yummm, that's delicious" and it part amuses her and part encourages her that if "toy" is enjoying the food, it might be worth trying!

BertieBotts · 25/03/2014 10:46

Nellie, just my thoughts/what worked for us.

I haven't read the whole explosive child book, but I've read bits of it on threads/the free introductory bit you get on amazon, and although I feel that it does apply to DS when he's in a heightened state of stress, I don't know that actually it does apply all the time. Yes he has trouble accepting not being the best/the winner, but isn't that an age thing? And he really has no idea when to back down and stop but again I think it's a combination of age and personality. I remember as a teenager always wanting to have the last word and my mum got really frustrated with it. What I did find useful about the explosive child theory is the affirmation that yes some children get more wound up when you try to deal with things in a punitive way.

The thing that I have found is most important is not to get drawn into a battle, which might be what they mean by not withdrawing treats etc - I can see (and this is definitely the case with DS) that it's easy to get into a cycle where you say "That's it, no sweets at the cinema!" and then they continue to misbehave so it becomes no cinema, no TV at home either, losing some other toy, and in their room for some ridiculous long time, and they've been shouted at too, all over some minor thing. It's not helpful. I remember a memorable afternoon with DS where I ended up threatening to take some sweets off him, and his train set, no TV and he had to stay in his room until dinner time(! Blush) and also roar-screamed to the point of going squeaky on that walk home. I think I might have pushed him away from me and caused him to fall over too :( It still wasn't stopping him from winding me up and laughing (even after he got up from being upset!) and I gave up and cried most of the way home while trying to fight the urge to drag him home by the ear. Then when I got back I had to follow through on everything I'd threatened which just made me feel awful because it was so ridiculous (although I did then have his sweets Grin)

Like you I had found that time out in bedroom was working OK in our old house, but it wasn't working here. In fact, it often ended up as either me or DH trying to hold the door shut while DS would make a huge game out of opening and closing the door and laughing, or DH would basically go in and hold the door closed from inside or actually I have no idea - possibly he was restraining DS somehow, whatever it was it made DS incandescent with rage/hysteria and used to really upset me, even though I had no better way of dealing with it. It would drag out for ages and DS would be so upset and sometimes he had nightmares :( so horrendous but neither of us had any idea what we were doing. Of course by the end DS probably had no idea what had started the whole thing either.

We had to take the fight out of it. So what I did in the end was sat DS down one time when he was calm and said, look, this isn't working and we don't want to carry on like this. He was all helpful and earnest about saying that he wouldn't get cross - I said, it's OK to be cross, it's not OK to hurt people and push/throw things. Again he promised that he would not do that any more, but I know that in the moment, he won't be able to remember that. So we talked about some things he could do. For a while we'd had a "calm down corner" which was supposed to be a safe/cosy space but we have a small room and when we moved furniture for more space, we didn't have room for it. So although he said he wanted the calm down corner back, he decided that it would be OK to calm down in his room. This DID help because some of the time even when hysterical he was able to respond to being reminded that he helped decide this. I also told him that any incidents of hitting, rudeness or pushing/throwing things, would result in a 30 minute screen ban. Now, I can see that this is contrary to the explosive child advice (although it's not removing a treat/reward but a more everyday high value thing for us) and it might not work for all children, but we are careful with it (OK, I am careful with it - DH is likely to keep doling out increased times which winds him up) but the important thing is to state the sanction. "You hit mummy, you are banned from screens for half an hour." and then deal with the emotional fall out rather than trying to regain control by slamming him with more and more punishments. It's a clear consequence, it's not too severe - some would say not severe enough, but I actually think that's the key really, if you think about it, the emotional volcano thing is all about "Argh I can't get my own way. NOW I'm going to get this horrible punishment, it's not fair! Why won't they listen to me?!" and they explode beyond all reason. With this it's almost token it's so mild (I finally understand what people mean when they say they use a tap on the hand that doesn't hurt but makes a point! I'm not going to start doing this, but I never "got it" before and now I sort of do.) But it's still enough to be a bit of a deterrent, because it parts him from his beloved Minecraft and Stampy. We don't have to fight to enforce it - even if DS says "Haha I can watch TV anyway" we can pull the plug or remove the batteries from the remote control, he doesn't know where the actual buttons on the TV are and can't figure out the plug thing yet unless he sees it done. We don't restrict TV time really apart from this so it's not like he's losing precious minutes from a short time period (although that can work too).

We do still take him to his room, if he is unable to calm down or he is continuing to hit/punch etc, and (this is the only part I feel slightly wrong/guilty about) we now get him to stay in there by saying that his sweets, which he buys with his good-behaviour reward money, will go in the bin. I feel bad because it's the threat of losing a reward, but it's literally the only thing we use it for (DH once used it for something else and I went mad at him, now he doesn't!) and again, we just needed something to take the physical fight out of it. It works, possibly because he's calmer by the time he's taken in there anyway. Sometimes he even goes by himself when asked!! Shock When he's calm then sometimes we have a little talk and sometimes he just comes out or we say he can come out and he says "I'm OK, I'm playing in here now", which is also great.

Also, these issues - violence and rudeness/aggression in general are the only things that we use this for. Other issues, cleaning up, getting places on time, eating, tooth brushing, general behaviour, road safety etc, I try to manage more in either a direct boundaries/related consequences way, a positive way, using play/humour, reasoning, closed choice, pick battles, generally encourage him rather than stand over making him do it, etc. And we still give him "stars" for good/helpful behaviour. It's (for me) a case of isolating the issue, having a set formula to deal with it, and then it's easier to deploy that formula without getting emotionally dragged in which was what was happening before.

But there has definitely been an improvement with time. I think we'd been here 6 months and one day he was angry with me for pulling him out of a room where DH was sleeping and he came and roared at me from a distance, threw a soft knitted hat at me, and un-tidied my shoes Grin declaring "Now I've messed up your shoes and you'll have to put them back all by yourself!" before slamming his bedroom door, preteen strop style! I was just really astounded. He'd handled himself so much better and I suddenly realised that we hadn't had any serious incidents in ages. He used to get screen bans about once or more a day but now he's unlucky if he gets one a week. Funnily it's coincided with him starting to put words together into sentences in German so I wonder if he feels more able to communicate and hence less stressed. I also noticed that he was more explosive, aggressive and argumentative on days when something bad had happened at kindergarten but he didn't always tell me straight away. So things like one of the other kids had hurt him somehow or something frightened him. I used to do a little debrief at the end of the day with him which I haven't done for ages which I should bring back. It's just about talking about feelings - I think that between about 4 and 7 must be the hardest age for a big move. They're old enough to realise intelligently what they've lost, to have an attachment to a place, to remember and hence miss it, but they're not emotionally mature enough to recognise that the new place will be just as good once they get used to it and there are lots of exciting things about going somewhere new. And newness for anyone is overwhelming, to deal with that without having a familiar, safe, known base to go to is hard. I know when we first moved here DS said most often that he missed his bed and his bedroom. We've tried to make his bedroom a special place and given him a say in how it's decorated, furniture, pictures, curtains, bedding etc. He loves to move his room around and I think it's helped him to make it his own space. If there are family members he is close to you could ask if he wants pictures of them, either on his walls or in a book or something? Do you have a long term plan that you can explain to him, and if you know when you're likely to visit home, then that can be reassuring too.

Sorry for the epic post and semi life story! Apologies I haven't replied to anyone else. I'll come back later! Grin

BertieBotts · 25/03/2014 10:55

Sorry to clarify on a couple of things. We don't restrict TV but we do sort of manage time a little in that we plan activities to do out of the house on weekends, we plan in "family cleaning time" at weekends where we all clean the house, the sofa gets tipped up to hoover under because it's old fake leather and it moults, the hoover comes out which is loud and prevents TV watching, DH usually blasts loud music which prevents TV watching. Sometimes DS claims he's bored and I suggest non-TV activities, etc.

Stars started because he was driving me nuts asking for a magazine every time we were in a shop, but he's not good enough at understanding time so it's easier to say "You had 3 stars but you spent one on X, oh yes and then you got one for helping with the washing so you still have 3." - helps him with maths and he gets an idea of money. Pocket money isn't working for us yet so we link it to a reward, he may lose the opportunity to spend his stars if he is misbehaving in the shop but he never loses a star, also never loses anything he's bought with stars unless it's that one off threat with the sweets. He can also choose to sell/trade stuff if it has value (computer games for example) to swap for other things.

ClairesTravellingCircus · 25/03/2014 13:23

checking in again, sorry for being lost a bit, it's just always so busy here.

Also one of the things I'm doing to stop yelling is less internet time, trying to get everything done while dts are in nursery so I can focus more on them in the afternoon instead of panicking about dinner/laundry/paperwork etc

There has definitely been an improvemenet here, but I still fail to get to 24 hours yell-less. Recently the main trigger is dts hurting his sister in some way when I can't physically get to them (I'm on the phone, cooking, in the bathroom), so I resort to yelling.

Other than that I am becoming a master of ignoring whining and tantrums, and while things like getting in the car/getting dressed are still stressful, on the whole I manage to get through without shouting.
so, yesterday, dts kicked his boots off in the car, then he threw his dummy and then was whinging asking for them back, I was driving so I could not get them (and I was NOT going to stop for this, it's become a bit of a habit, the sooner he learns not to, the better for everyone), but I amange to drive for 15 minutes with him wailing and whining, while calmly repeating the same mantra. "Mummy is driving I can get them when we arrive, next time don't throw stuff you want". You would have been proud of myself!!

This thread is helping loads, like Scout I have started imaging you all there cheering on, and telling myself I can't let you down, it works wonders (when I remember!)

ClairesTravellingCircus · 25/03/2014 13:27

Dishes I agree on treats and rewards, and I have seen the emthid backfire big time with dd1&2 who at some point were asking "what do I get for doing xyz?", or dd1 blackmailing dd2, but she saw it as the same thing as a reward (and it is in a way).

So I try not to use them much with the dts, to avoid the same sort of issue, only use them as a last resort (I probably overdid it with dd1, but she used to refus time out, and the only way to get through to her was withdrawal o privileges or promise of a reward).
Hope this makes sense!

AnotherMonkey · 25/03/2014 14:31

Bertie, you have worked so hard. There are some brilliant strategies in those posts, I feel like taking notes. I may actually do that later.

Dishes, it does sound like you still have a lot going on. Cake It sounds like the things you're doing with your boy are having a real impact though and your plan for dealing with him hitting himself seems really sound. Let us know how it goes!

I've also wondered about the pitfalls of feeding tantrums with attention, and I think for DS there needs to be a balance. I can't pretend I know exactly what that is yet. But as Bertie said, a relatively minor sanction coupled with help to calm down seems to be the most effective approach I've found so far. As well as avoiding accumulating sanctions for one escalating incident. I have a long way to go though when he really loses it - all I can do at the moment is try to avoid reaching that point, but sometimes it happens regardless.

Hi claires, that sounds like a real improvement, driving when they're crying/whining is SO difficult. I often wonder how they can ban mobiles but let us drive with kids - I've never reversed into the lamppost at the end of our street while having a phone conversation Blush

I love that we can sense each other's support in the background Grin

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Nellie2477 · 25/03/2014 14:46

Quick note as at work - but I think it is very interesting that I did the HS test for me and DS1 and we both scored highly. Something to consider, and yet again I am not surprised by the fact my son is so similar to me. Maybe understanding myself better is the key to understanding him?

jigglebum · 25/03/2014 14:56

Sounds like everyone is doing really well, despite the stresses and difficulties of it all.

We do use a reward system for DS but only for some extra jobs I have decided he should do (eg he sets the breakfast table). One day he was being a pain and I said that's it no sticker tonight (which would mean no hot wheels car at the end of the week) but then I thought about it and I sat him down and explained that my decision had not been fair as his stickers were for doing his jobs, which he had done and were not linked to his behaviour earlier and therefore he could have his sticker. I think he appreciated this and I have never since threatened this. If he is a pain though we do threaten to remove a car or toy for 24 hours sometimes - I have mixed feelings about this but can be effective and is better than shouting.

DD does get my attention by temper tantrums but I do try and ignore the more minor ones, but I do think some children cannot calm themselves down and do need to be helped - they don't want to be having a tantrum after all. Well done on ignoring in the whinging CTC - it drives me mad, especially in the car but I am trying hard to ignore and repeat "mummy is driving so cant .... at the moment" too

Thanks for sympathies re DH. Not sure what the long term solution is but that's a whole other thread!