Middle name for Casper (Girl)

[quietmoon]

Really want a lovely middle name for Casper, something feminine, vintage, pretty etc.
Many thanks in advance and happy new year

Teachergirl2011 and saying a name is 'hideous' ISN'T being cruel?

As an ancient feminist, what strikes me as really rather sad regarding a lot of the comments here is this. We early feminists fought NOT for the right for girls to have boys' names, but for FEMALE names - as frilly as you like - to be given equal respect with boys' names. Lili-Mae or Evangeline-Aimee should be treated just like men called Edward or William.

It really SHOULD NOT MATTER what anyone is called. But disregarding female names in favour of boys' names surely cannot be the best way forward. That's why I'm unhappy when millenia of traditional names - our collective history, in the same way as bricks and mortar or music or literature - are ignored. To my mind, it would be much better if we continued the struggle to have female names respected for what they are - belonging to women who can - and do - make equally important contributions to society as men.

Thank you, Flora. I was struggling to find a way of saying exactly that, and failing!

I dislike Casper but actually like Casper Rose weirdly enough

@TwigTheWonderKid- i’ll quite understand if you can’t be arsed- but might you feel like putting the names into this and seeing if the names really are unisex in usage? It’s amazing how many names that appear to be actually aren’t.

Why would you want a feminine, pretty middle name (that no-one will ever really know about), and give her a boy's christian name? You're a bit weird!

@Beenherebefore I've stated earlier in the thread that it is my sister's baby to be named Casper, not mine.

Baby is going to be called Casper Rose.

Thank you, Bertrand.

Quiet moon It is you sister's absolute right to call her baby what she chooses. But with the utmost respect, can I please ask you and she to at least consider the point that I was making above.

I think you should switch it around Rose Casper. That way the name gets used and the link is still there for her partners husband x

@Beenherebefore

'You're a bit weird!'

I'm baffled. Grow up

@Flora I wouldn't ever suggest to my sister to reconsider her baby's name for the sake of feminism? The very thought is absurd to me.
I find it ludicrous to even bring feminism into this at all tbh.

Bertrand that's really interesting. During the years they were born there were 323 boys and 179 girls with DS1's name and 7 boys and 23 girls with DS2's name.

@winona1 not sure what's so baffling but don't tell people to grow up, it's so immature!

@Beenherebefore Think she’s baffled at the fact you can come on here and call someone weird and think that’s okay. It’s not nice and it’s childish. People comment on here about children bullying other children because of their names, you don’t like the name choice so you call her names? I agree, grow up.

Oh reaaaallllY! Get over it / yourselves! SO boring. I said "you're a bit weird". Why do YOU have to have a problem with it? If the person I said it to wants to call me on it then she is free to do so. What's it got to do with anyone else? It isn't THAT bad a thing to say for the love of god! If I need to 'grow up", then you need to take a chill pill love!
If saying you're weird means I have to grow up, then no thanks I'll stay as I am. Soooo over the top!

ApplejackCriesOnTheInside has the best suggestion

OP - my comment may not be to your taste or agree with your opinions but it is not absurd.
You posted here giving details of the name proposed for a baby girl. A name that has (FACT) been associated for the best part of 2000 years with boys only. So much so that it is irrevocably linked to one of the key religious myths/traditions associated with what is still - for good or ill (I have no allegiance) - to the traditional culture of the UK.

A name that has for 1500 years and more been identified as male. (Again, I am taking no sides; that's a fact.)

OF COURSE people who call themselves feminists and/or would wish for improved male/female equality are going to comment on this. It would be absurd to think that they would not.

But to repeat myself, you sister has every right to name her baby whatever she likes and to have her choice treated with respect. She does NOT have the right - apart from the normal rules of politeness - not to expect people to comment on it, though they should of course do that as graciously as possible.

Veronique
Angelica
Angelique
Rene
Alexandria
Elodie
Irene
Olivia
Ursula

I have a boys name and I cannot remember one situation in all my life where I have had to explain if I’m male or female or where it’s left anyone confused

I'm really, really surprised at that. I have 3 dc. 2 of them are girls that have girls names, but, oddly, both of the 'shortenings' that their names have morphed in to are more commonly associated with boys' names. I've commonly been asked by friends, colleagues, or acquaintances that I might mention either of them to, about my 'boys'.

itsallover - I presume you mean Renee? Sorry to be blunt but Rene is 100% a boy's name. I don't imagine you will ever have seen 'AlloAllo...

My niece was left stranded at an aurport once because the person meeting her assumed that Dr Sam Bertrandsniece has to be a man......

I'm really, really surprised at that. I have 3 dc. 2 of them are girls that have girls names, but, oddly, both of the 'shortenings' that their names have morphed in to are more commonly associated with boys' names. I've commonly been asked by friends, colleagues, or acquaintances that I might mention either of them to, about my 'boys

I expressed my surprise too for that same reason. I’m not sure that I believe her tbh.

My name has a unisex dim that I used for years. But eventually the relentless letters addressed to Mr, and the embarrassed people who had assumed I was male and worried that made them look sexist and apologised, when actually I was used to it and didn’t mind, got to me and I always use the long version on official documents.

I’ve always had the sense that despite being unisex there are far more men than women with the name, by number of people who assumed I was a bloke, and actually Betrand’s list confirms that. Up to 30 times more boys than girls depending on the year.

@BackforGood Yeah I honestly haven’t. And by that I mean I can’t recall an instance of where I’ve had to explain if I’m male or female. For example if I’m on the phone people can hear that I’m female, if filling out forms you can select a title, on CV’s you can include a title. My gender isn’t regularly questioned! So personally it’s not ever been a problem. Believe it or not I actually have the same name as my boyfriend which is the only time it’s been tricky!

In mail circulars, gender is often guessed by the computer.

On forms and CVs you select titles but people often don’t read them.

I’ve been to doctors where they’ve called ‘Mr Larina oh I’m terribly sorry’.

At work I’d say around 70% of people I have email contact only with assume I’m male initially based on my name. I also receive work emails all the time from people whose gender I don’t know - Andrea is a recent one, Kim, Laurence, Lesley, Chris etc.

Some people may have assumed I’m male over the years going by my email, but nobody has ever said to me ‘Oh my god I thought you were a man’, just as I wouldn’t admit to assuming someone was actually male/female etc. I’m oblivious to people’s assumtions, they’ve obviously been polite and kept it to themselves.