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support thread for women who have chosen to terminate

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busierbee · 16/04/2009 22:53

Hello
Busier Bee here - I felt that before I went to bed I wanted to open up officially a new place for weary travellers of those on the road that we have chosen to rest our heads, muse, sob, moan and support each other.
Also the kind, compassionate souls who have not been there but who offer their support and lend an ear and pass a gentle word.
We have chosen to be here and we are here and we are not alone.
Thank you so much all of you -for I personally do not know where I would have been in the last few weeks without you all.
Night - sleep well
kisses and thoughts
BB xx

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Cantdothisagain · 03/06/2009 19:43

Thank you all. Tree, I would love to know but I am not CAT-able, I think.

I am not being brave and strong. I am dazed and I think that is cushioning me. That and the sure knowledge that I am doing the best thing, even if it is an awful thing. I could not watch my baby suffocate to death.

But also I feel better today somehow because I had refused amnio despite the chromosomal problems last time, because my nuchal scan was so positive. And when I had this scan I thought, maybe I should have had the invasive testing and known earlier. Today they made it clear that invasive testing wouldn't have shown this.

Have decided against a postmortem, I think. Had one last time and it took forever and delayed the service, which I found even more upsetting. This time we know what the problem is so I can't see the point.

On another note, my DD made me laugh so much when I was putting her to bed. She jokes so much and clowns around. I found myself laughing and surprised myself.

I realize people on this thread are pregnant and now I'm worrying that my story is upsetting. Tell me, please, if so.

treedelivery · 03/06/2009 19:52

I guess I feel you are brave and strong, because I'm sat here weeping and you are putting dd to bed! As has been said - we find the strength when it has to be found. Unless you are in it, you can't imagine coping with it.

The body and mind protect us - you are cushioned at the moment. Thats a good thing for you.

If it's a structural development issue, seeing the genetics of the baby wouldn't have given you this knowledge sooner. This must, in their opinion, be an 'un-testable'

I think the people here will know that this thread is here for women in positions that result in the decision to terminate. You can talk here.

I'll add anything I can to what to expect, when those who have actually lived this have spoken to you.

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treedelivery · 03/06/2009 20:37

Oh growingup. You are a top class babe you know.

Bless you. That's what I wanted to say but couldn't.

Hope rl pans out for you, you know where we are for a gosspi. You never updated us on the factor V btw. So we will have to chin wag about that.

busierbee · 03/06/2009 20:46

So there you are Cantdo - this is your place. We are all and have been in various states of pregnant, nearly pregnant, waiting for news, responding to news and dealing with the sad sometimes outcomes.
We are very much ready and willing to listen. Only compassionate sailors on this particular ship.
I never felt brave either. Or at least I carried on - maybe carrying on is brave?
But I did need to talk and be heard and the kind souls here - and Tree and Growing Up are two of the kindest you could meet - helped me enormously. I hope you know that you two.

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Cantdothisagain · 03/06/2009 20:46

Growingup, I have read you elsewhere with a different name and have always found your posts intensely sensitive and compassionate. I am sorry if RL is difficult at the moment and send you lots of hugs.

Tree, one thing that stands out of the daze is how lucky I am to have DD. I treasure her all the more through this. And thank you for keeping me company here, too.

I am now absolutely exhausted though, mentally and physically, and I am going to bed. I can't remember this extreme fatigue from last time. I suspect it is part of the coping, though when I do sleep I have nightmares at the moment.

Sweet dreams, all of you, and thank you again. I am really touched by your kindness.

Cantdothisagain · 03/06/2009 20:47

Hi Busier, crossposted - hugs to you too. How are you doing at the moment?

busierbee · 03/06/2009 20:48

And Marjie- hello to you and hoping you are not being swallowed by your darkness. The sun will shine darling.
Seek comfort where you can find it.
Tree- hold on tight to your family in Devon and Cornwall.
Growing Up -am sorry that Real Life tricky for you right now. Can we help? I hate to think of you carrying hard times when you are so here for us. We can cope with whatever you throw at us.
(Duck ladies quick)

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busierbee · 03/06/2009 20:51

I am okay thank you. Needing to be here, Not sure why - if someone took it away feel would crumble.
I had such shocking nightmares for a time - the subconscious trying to let small doses of the shock feed into us so we can begin to face the horror.
You will get through it. It can be made as okay as it can be. See Lins for this - she managed letting go of her girls with such love and dignity. Stay gentle on yourself.
hugs Bee xxxx

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linspins · 03/06/2009 20:59

Can'tdothisagain, I am so so sorry. I remember that numb feeling well. I do think you are doing the right thing, and hope that you don't feel guilty at all because really you are taking the pain on your baby's behalf. You are doing what mothers do, protecting your baby from un-necessary pain.
Did you have a medical termination for your baby you lost last year?
I am not sure where to start to help you through Friday. My thread with my whole story on is here, but I hope no-one minds that I have cut and pasted a section of it. This is the bit I wrote after having Daisy, because i wanted to let all the lovely ladies who wrote such kind things to me, know how it went.

"Hi all,
It's now a week and a day since I gave birth to Dasiy. She was born at 2.10pm weighing 150grams. Very weeny, but still so beautiful.
After the (really horrid) pessary things and one oral tablet, my contractions were very strong, but the nurse thought I'd need another one in 3 hours. I said "I hope not, this really hurts...", and no sooner had she left the room, I felt a tiny pop inside, and a sharp pain and contraction, and Daisy was born. I barely had time to grab the gas and air. The nurse came flying back, and sorted out the rest. I like to think Dasiy was listening to me saying I didn't want to go through 3 more hours and thought "ok, Mummy, i'll come out now."
The placenta was delivered about 45 mins later, after a doctor had had a good old feel inside - urghhh! I had been very worried about having to go in to theatre but they thought it had all come out.

My husband and I spent time with Dasiy, I talked to her and held her and gave her a kiss. We took loads of photos, although my husband found this part very difficult. I think I was on a hormonal high, with lots of adrenalin pumping through me, but he really struggled.

The worst bit was letting go...I was in tears, saying "I don't know how to do this bit...I know how to carry a baby, and give birth to her, but what mother lets her baby go?"
My husband knew I needed help here so he kept reassuring me that Amy (our first angel baby) was waiting to give Daisy her milk, and that I had to let her go now etc. I knew that if I didn't say goodbye, I would want to spend forever in that room, holding her.

We didn't want to go home that day, and the staff were very supportive of this. We had a room with 2 beds in, and my husband stayed the night with me. Whenever I was brought food, they brought some for him too, which was a small gesture that made a big difference.

I had panicked about clothes for Dasiy some days before, then discovered a local charity called Little Love, who sew/quilt/knit clothes and wraps and weeny blankets especially for this type of situation. I emailed a lovely lady who arranged for me to see what the local hospital had. I ended up buying some material especially, with dasies on, and she made me 2 tiny wraps, and a matching blanket. She used a weight estimate from our scans to get the size just right. We bought 2 little rabbits too. So Daisy kept one wrap, her blanket and one rabbit, and we kept the other wrap and rabbit. The night before she was born, we slept with the things close to our hearts...
What a surreal time though, to be sitting in a strangers's kitchen, while they sew things for you. I sat there, swapping stories with her (she also lost a baby early) rubbing my tummy, knowing that the next day, the baby who was merrily moving inside me would be wrapped up in these blankets, dead.

We came home on Monday, and since then I've felt like I'm living in a bubble. It's been weird and quite disconcerting. I barely cried last week at all, which is so different to the immediate and raw grief I had after Amy was born. Apart from the odd strange feeling, I actually had a lovely week with my husband and toddler. We were out in the sunshine a lot and I just felt nothing. What's going on? I still feel a bit like nothing has happened, and although I cried writing the bit above, I wonder if I am blocking this out cos it's all too much?
I do feel like we got it 'right' this time...with the clothes, the holding, the photos, the proper goodbye, but now why am I not sobbing all the time? Where is all the sadness? Is it waiting to spring out at me?
Physically, I feel inappropriately well. My morning sickness (which had made my life hell all year) went like a switch had been flicked. Apart from an ache in my lower tummy and some bleeding, I feel ok.

I went in to work today just to say hello, and that went ok, but I still feel unconnected to the real world. Obviously, having a 2 year old toddler makes us get up and carry on, and she is a light in my world, but I don't want to bury my feelings too deep.

It was also the 5th anniversary of my angel Amy this last Saturday (she was born on Mother's day) and we went to the crematorium to take flowers and let some balloons go. I feel a bit guilty that I haven't been thinking of her recently in the same way I would normally at this time of year. I just haven't been thinking at all.

I don't really want to face normal life now. How can it all go on as usual? I just feel empty.

Sending my very best wishes to all of you who sent me messages and support. It's really made a big difference to know you are all out there."

We had a cremation service for Daisy too. It was all part of the saying goodbye properly and letting go...as much as you can ever really say goodbye.

In practical terms, because you have given birth before, (I am assuming this but you could have had a c-section for your dd?) your body knows 'what to do' and the whole process shouldn't take hours. Once the contractions kick off, hopefully it won't be long. Ask for gas and air if you want it and any pain relief you fancy. I found with my first baby, because I had never given birth before, it took a long time and I needed lots of pain relief, so much so that I was in a complete drug induced daze. Gas and air did the trick with Daisy and meant I was 'there' experiencing it and being able to remember holding her etc.

You might like to buy a tiny teddy or toy...to either leave with your baby, or keep for yourself. We bought two...
I found it very important to get the right clothes, and the wraps I descibe above were good, as a 20 week baby is so tiny. Dressing them in proper clothes doesn't really work as they are so fragile and their skin can be a little sticky.
Have you thought about whether you will see or hold your baby? I know it seems the most awful and heartbreaking thing to think about. If you feel you can, I would recommend it. Because it all adds to the sense of this being an important and special and much wanted life, and gives you tangible memories to hold on to. And part of the grieving process.

I don't know whether the hospital have told you what a baby this age looks like. It can be a shock, but after a few minutes, they are just 'your baby'. The are fragile and delicate like a baby bird, but so perfect. Their skin may be very translucent, and possibly dark pink or purple. Like a tiny doll made out of glass.
Again, it sounds weird but you may want to take photos. If your camera has a macro lens, to take close ups of things this works well. And switching to a black and white setting takes away the shock value of their skin tone. I've got the sweetest pic of daisy's tiny tiny fingers on my little finger. It's the sort of photo you could slip on to the back of the mantle piece and not upset anyone.

You might want to ask your hospital tomorrow about this sort of stuff. Do you have a particular point of contact? I had a lovely 'screening midwife' who saw us through everything and kept in touch afterwards to check on us.

Do you think you will have a cremation or funeral? Often hospitals will organise this for you.

We stayed in for a night because it just felt right and I didn't want to go in and come home all on the same day. Obviously it depends on what time you give birth and also you might like to get home. But don't be rushed, as arriving back home is almost the toughest part.

Sorry this is so long honey. I am going to go and rescue my washing from the dark garden...
I am happy to answer any questions you might have, however small they are.
I'll check back here in a bit.

Love Lins xxxxx

linspins · 03/06/2009 21:03

Blimey it took me a while to write that, so you're probably tucked up by now! Rest, stroke your tum and sending you much love in your sadness. Hope you get a peaceful night Can'tdothisgain. xxx

treedelivery · 03/06/2009 21:36

Oh linspins. I hadn't forgotten, but it had faded a little. What you lived through.

RIP Daisy.

treedelivery · 03/06/2009 21:38

RIP Amy

Not forgotten, I hit return by accident. x

treedelivery · 03/06/2009 22:41

Right. I have to sign off for a while. We are bringing the laptop but can't say where and when will get the internet and a plug.

So I wish you all well.

I'll pop in Friday for sure as a lot happens for us on Friday. Will be able to keep an eye out for JJF results on dh phone on Thursday too, in case they come early [fingers crossed]

I wish you a peaceful time in hospital Cant. I hope it goes smoothly, and that the memories you take away are gentle soft images. I wish your dh well too.

JJF - Friday is getting nearer. Hang in there, hold on tight.

Too all of you - all my thoughts. Have a good week.

growingup - hope you're ok. Am thinking of you and sending positive vibes and energy your way.

BB - you're a star. And might be the captain for a while?

Be back soon, will so miss this place.

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Cantdothisagain · 04/06/2009 07:11

Bye Tree, have a lovely time, and look forward to hearing how it went.

Lins, thank you so much for sharing. I had an emergency C-section with DD so my body doesn't know what to do, probably. Though at 13 weeks, for another fatal problem - this time chromosomal - last year I had a medical termination and so I know about seeing small babies. Last time I didnt hold my baby but we did spend time with her. But last time I had the choice between surgical management or medical management; I chose the latter despite reading so many negative accounts of it and it was okay. Managed on paracetamol although fainted when the baby was born. Last time was gynaecological ward - this time it's the delivery suite.

I will certainly hold the baby - I know how much it mattered seeing her last time. The consultant indicated the size the baby would be - tiny. I thought I would take some muslins of DD's to wrap her in.

All so unreal. Lins, your story is so touching - you did say goodbye to your little angel with such grace.

In terms of leaving hospital, I am anxious about that too because I've never left DD overnight before, or even not put her to bed (last time I managed to escape at 7 pm). Sounds pathetic and she does go to nursery some days a week when I work but I am the original anxious parent.

Will log in later - take care, all. xx

Cantdothisagain · 04/06/2009 07:12

Growingup, I cross posted with you (it seems to take me forever to write my posts). Take care and try not to worry too much about next week. I am sure you are very valued in the church - or you should be. Take care of yourself.

Oh and Busier, I am sure you're right about the nightmares. Hugs to you too.

busierbee · 04/06/2009 07:25

Good luck Cantdo - with your day- I hope they are kind and considerate souls - like Tree - your little DD will be fine for one night - may even think it an adventure if someone else puts her to bed.
Tree- happy happy holidays to you my love.
And very pleased about the words Growing Up - they are so important and what a lovely selection he has come up with. Maybe he will be a dentist?
Lins - well you know how i feel about your post last night. We have come so far but is so easy to relive the pain and sorrow. Well done honey - am sure it helped Cantdo and will help others too . Kisses my friend.
Off to work now. Boo

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Eulalia · 04/06/2009 09:33

Cantdo - so so sad....

linspins - how brave of you to share your story again. I am in tears, it brings back my own experience, although I couldn't bring myself to see my baby. although I couldn't anyway as everything, placenta and baby all came out together, but I wasn't so far on as you were....

Cantdo - I didn't want to leave my kids for a night. I arranged it so I could go into hospital at 7am. I didn't want the older two asking a lot of questions so I left the house before they were even up and the birth was at 2pm, and I was even OK to drive home at 7pm. I was exhausted by then but somehow just wanted to get back to put them to bed. So you could ask if you can go in early perhaps.

Anything else you can think of please ask. Hugs. xxx

brightonbaby · 04/06/2009 12:30

I'm so glad to have finally found this thread...I was looking for a place like this. Could I please join in?

I terminated last week, at 14 weeks, due to triploidy. The op was scheduled for what was the day of my wedding, which has just added to the pain of it all. Now, that anniversary will be something else entirely.

It was my first pg and no-one except close family knew, so now, I'm wondering whether to tell my friends the real reason we postponed our wedding. We immediately just said that I was unwell and needed a small operation. No-one has asked for more details but I can see them being curious. I'm not ashamed of what has happened, but I feel that it's so intensely personal and I don't want the information mis-handled, if you know what I mean. How do you tell people about this kind of thing? Or do you just not tell them?

I also just want to say how I've appreciated all the personal stories and advice on this thread. I'm only so far in reading through them all, but it has touched me so much and I'm stunned by everyone's kindness and bravery.

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ilovemydogandmrobama · 04/06/2009 14:39

hi BrightonBaby There's a school of thought pregnant women only announce their pregnancy after the 12 week mark, just in case. But I've always told people almost as soon as I knew, as I would want support either way if the pregnancy ended in miscarriage, I would want support.

Did your friends know you were pregnant?

brightonbaby · 04/06/2009 15:32

No, ilovemydogandmrobama, my friends didn't know I was pg and none are really thinking about having babies yet, so, I fear it might open up a gap, even though they would try to be understanding, I'm sure.

It's just such a huge thing to go through silently, isn't it? I'm torn between wanting people to know what we've been through and yet not wanting information to be misunderstood or miscommunicated.

I am at peace with our decision and I felt, at the time, that I was ending my LO's suffering...I felt she was struggling in there and the placenta had already started failing as I was beginning to bleed a little. But, I wonder if some people just hear the word 'abortion' and assume certain things. I just don't want to risk people's judgement or ignorance and I don't want to have to explain the extremeness of Triploidy to anyone...it scares me to think about.

Anyway, I guess I'm answering my own question and won't tell too many people about what happened. A couple of girlfriends, I think I will need to tell, because I am very close to them, but that's all.

It's only been a week and now, I'm physically recovered, a deep sadness is setting in and I don't know where it will go, or when it will lift.

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