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How deprived do you have to be to move in a man into your home a day of ‘knowing’ him on Facebook? *[Content warning: concerns child abuse]

442 replies

EddyF · 04/04/2023 19:05

When you have children? Why isn’t the wider conversation in the media about the why/causes and PREVENTIONS of mothers doing this not being discussed on a wider platform? In the below case, again it’s the fault of SS and not the mother who moved a man from online to her home. It’s beyond sickening and I genuinely have no sympathy for any of these so called mothers. I don’t care about these men because it’s not hard to keep them out of your home/children’s lives.

This country has resources for when you can’t cope with your children. You can even give them up. These women behave as if they can’t date safely and that it’s completely natural to take in any old scruff even a murderous one into your children’s lives. It’s like they have never heard of the concept of dating partners NOT meeting your kids for a length of time UNTIL you can access a situation?

Not all these mums that do this are mentally challenged.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lola-morgan-dyfedpowys-police-adhd-pembrokeshire-b2313875.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11937439/Mother-monster-boyfriend-guilty-death-two-year-old-girl.html

Timeline in death of two-year-old Lola James

Lola suffered 101 bruises and scratches to her body, damage to both her eyes and extensive brain damage in the early hours of July 17 2020.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/lola-morgan-dyfedpowys-police-adhd-pembrokeshire-b2313875.html

OP posts:
Nowdontmakeamess · 04/04/2023 21:06

housemaus · 04/04/2023 20:00

Thing is - everyone in this thread is going to agree this is a fucking stupid and dangerous thing to do. 99.9% of people you could ask on the street would agree it was a stupid and dangerous thing to do.

The 0.01% of people who do things like this do them because they don't have good judgement making skills, to a literally fatal extent in this case. That's not normal stupidity, or depravity, or whatever. That's someone who has had a horrendous upbringing of their own with high number of ACEs, or is severely mentally unwell, or has an addiction issue, or are extremely poorly educated with neglect levels of experience in real life, or have a learning disability that precludes them from a typical level of judgement, or a host of other things. Or, indeed, a combination of these factors.

People don't make choices like this in a vacuum - we can't go, "Well they're a fucking terrible person" and call it a day. People who make such staggeringly poor life choices are doing so because of one or multiple contributing issues that make them unable to make good, rational choices.

I'm not for a single second exonerating the mother of this poor, poor kid. But it's just not as simple as 'she's a bad person'. 'Normal' people don't make decisions like this.

Then why not identify these women (& men) and ensure they are on long lasting contraceptives. Parents who want to adopt have to go through such rigorous checks and training, it’s not right that any idiot (or worse) can get pregnant.

fairywhale · 04/04/2023 21:08

Another child victim sacrificed to please the neurotic population of sheeple who welcomed the lockdown. Falling over themselves to give up their own and other people's rights and destroy lives while not being arsed to spend even five minutes finding out anything for themselves.

LakeTiticaca · 04/04/2023 21:11

Sterilise the fuckers

Hubblebubble · 04/04/2023 21:11

There needs to be stronger sentencing and deterrents for child abuse and neglect. Including for survivors of historic child abuse. At the moment abusers know that short of murder they can usually get away with it.

ConstanceOcean · 04/04/2023 21:12

It makes me so angry 😡

I know of someone who’s child has been sexually abused by her last 2 boyfriends.
After the second time the child was removed by SS and then eventually given back to her.
Then mum meets a new man and moves him in after 3 days and gets the child to start calling him dad.
And we have to just wait for it to happen again as SS can’t do anything because he’s not actually done anything wrong yet.

These women are vile and the vile men prey on their weaknesses.

I wish there was some way to protect the thousands of children that are the victims of their parents mistakes.

ConstanceOcean · 04/04/2023 21:14

fairywhale · 04/04/2023 21:08

Another child victim sacrificed to please the neurotic population of sheeple who welcomed the lockdown. Falling over themselves to give up their own and other people's rights and destroy lives while not being arsed to spend even five minutes finding out anything for themselves.

Please do not make this about people’s view on the lockdown.

People act like this regardless of covid.

electricmoccasins · 04/04/2023 21:14

Oysterbabe · 04/04/2023 20:02

You know how a new dominate male lion will kill the cubs of the lion he overthrew? I think there is a certain breed of scumbag man who has that same primal instinct. I don't think I'd ever fully trust a new man with my children.

This is my belief too.

OhMyCherriePie · 04/04/2023 21:15

I'm a single mum. I'm on many single parent groups and it shocks me how many women think it doesn't matter how long you've known someone because "anyone can harm your child whether you've known them 1 day or 3 years" so it doesn't matter how quickly you introduce them and many women defend it by saying they want to introduce quickly to see how he will react around their child as that's a big test so why wait to introduce.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 04/04/2023 21:16

I’m a die hard feminist, and some people (especially on MN) think that means you can’t criticise women. Ever.

However as a feminist to me it’s important to not peg all women as blameless victims. There are women putting their children at risk every day and moving a random man in after day dot isn’t terribly unusual. It’s scary - and I suspect they do it through desperation for a man. And I don’t know how we even begin to undone that need or educate them on how dangerous it is.

Reugny · 04/04/2023 21:18

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 04/04/2023 21:16

I’m a die hard feminist, and some people (especially on MN) think that means you can’t criticise women. Ever.

However as a feminist to me it’s important to not peg all women as blameless victims. There are women putting their children at risk every day and moving a random man in after day dot isn’t terribly unusual. It’s scary - and I suspect they do it through desperation for a man. And I don’t know how we even begin to undone that need or educate them on how dangerous it is.

They don't care as it is about them.

Worried234 · 04/04/2023 21:19

Fuck me... OP add a TW if there are photos that distressing included on a thread, please.

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 04/04/2023 21:19

My brother met his first wife online and moved 200 miles to love with her after they’d been talking for 2 weeks. She had a 5yo son.

Thankfully my brother is not a indecent guy (but a total fucking idiot) but I remember thinking what the fuck is she thinking. It worked out for them in that they had kids and then an amicable divorce but the quickness in which this child called my brother daddy, and talks of changing his surname etc was shocking.

Of course when they divorced when his stepson was 10, ‘daddy’ no longer saw this boy or even checked in on him. My brother is an arse for ditching a child he happily had call him daddy but I have to attrition Ute so much of the blame on his ExW for putting her son in that situation. Disgraceful .

OhMyCherriePie · 04/04/2023 21:21

OhMyCherriePie · 04/04/2023 21:15

I'm a single mum. I'm on many single parent groups and it shocks me how many women think it doesn't matter how long you've known someone because "anyone can harm your child whether you've known them 1 day or 3 years" so it doesn't matter how quickly you introduce them and many women defend it by saying they want to introduce quickly to see how he will react around their child as that's a big test so why wait to introduce.

Oh and on these groups many women think introducing a man they've just me to their kids is no different to introducing them to a new friend.

MegIsWhite · 04/04/2023 21:21

Merryoldgoat · 04/04/2023 21:03

What sort of 'mother' prioritises her love life over her child?

Plenty. It’s all over these boards. Not to the same degree, but it’s constant.

Pregnant to men who treat them and their children badly

Kids desperately reacting against a new partner but ‘don’t let them dictate-you deserve to be happy’

Babies with multiple men in a very short time frame.

This situation is just a very extreme example of where this can end.

I agree.

And I include "You have a right to have children. Must have a child at all costs".

Because even unfit people "deserve" children as if they're properties.

unclebuck · 04/04/2023 21:22

When I had DS, 20 years ago I was all teary eyed in the delivery suite cooing over him and said "Oh what can I do to ensure he is always safe" or some such and the midwife said "never invite a step-father into your home" and walked out. It struck a chord with me.

ForTheSakeOfThePenguin · 04/04/2023 21:24

Before this becomes yet another burn the single mothers thread, let’s remember about all those mothers, married or single, who are staying in abusive relationships endangering their own kids. They are as damaged as each other, as affected as each other… but keep the abuser at close distance knowing who they are dealing with.

It is equally bad moving someone you don’t know into your home as staying sharing a home with an abuser. One mother sins of lack of prudence, the other one of complacency. Both are victims of abuse.

EffortlessDesmond · 04/04/2023 21:24

Most sensible people don't even consider a scenario close to the one you describe.

TiredSloth · 04/04/2023 21:24

I live very close to this and was absolutely sickened when I heard about it. That little girl must have been terrified in the one place she should have felt safe and loved. Both of the scumbags should never see the light of day again.

I have been a single parent for 3 years and have been celibate for that entire time and will be until my children are much much older. I can’t date (nor would I want to) as my children are with me 90% of the time and there’s no way I would introduce someone new to them. Their father did though after a few weeks of dating.

Hubblebubble · 04/04/2023 21:25

I got called a martyr on the other thread about this tragedy for mentioning that safeguarding is the reason I'm staying single until my DC is an adult. But I'd rather be judged than put my child in danger. I wish people would open their eyes to how dangerous unrelated men are to children.

SnottyLottie · 04/04/2023 21:26

Fuck, that little girl was born 2 days after my DS1, that’s just utterly broke me.

I’ve had this conversation with DH and we have both agreed that if we should ever split neither would invite another partner to live with us until the kids were adults. I couldn’t live with myself after all these terrible stories of abusive step ‘parents’ recently.

BounceyB · 04/04/2023 21:27

OhMyCherriePie · 04/04/2023 21:15

I'm a single mum. I'm on many single parent groups and it shocks me how many women think it doesn't matter how long you've known someone because "anyone can harm your child whether you've known them 1 day or 3 years" so it doesn't matter how quickly you introduce them and many women defend it by saying they want to introduce quickly to see how he will react around their child as that's a big test so why wait to introduce.

I think there's an element of truth to this statement that anyone can harm your child.

It's more about how much trust you're prepared to put in someone though and when it's appropriate or not.

I don't think there's anything wrong with introducing someone quickly to see if they get on (frankly, if they don't It's easier to find out sooner rather than later) but leaving someone with your child who you barely know is weird. Moving them in after a day is really odd.

ForTheSakeOfThePenguin · 04/04/2023 21:29

Hubblebubble · 04/04/2023 21:25

I got called a martyr on the other thread about this tragedy for mentioning that safeguarding is the reason I'm staying single until my DC is an adult. But I'd rather be judged than put my child in danger. I wish people would open their eyes to how dangerous unrelated men are to children.

You will be surprised. Children are more likely to be abused and battered by their own dad than a stranger, it is just that abuse is often ignored or forgiven and thoroughly under researched when it happens under the blessing of a marriage.

DISCLAIMER: Not saying that it is ok to introduce strangers to your kids that quickly but that these extreme situations are the exception, not the rule of what single/divorced mothers can put their children through.

Hubblebubble · 04/04/2023 21:31

@ForTheSakeOfThePenguin ofcourse children are abused by their parents, but they are much more likely to be abused by an unrelated male living in their home. Unrelated males living in a child's home are nearly always a stepfather, although sometimes they're a stepbrother or a lodger.

userxx · 04/04/2023 21:32

I read this today and felt sick. Poor little girl.

How the fuck do you end up living with someone after one day ? She allowed this to happen. Can't even begin to wrap my head around it.

OhMyCherriePie · 04/04/2023 21:32

BounceyB · 04/04/2023 21:27

I think there's an element of truth to this statement that anyone can harm your child.

It's more about how much trust you're prepared to put in someone though and when it's appropriate or not.

I don't think there's anything wrong with introducing someone quickly to see if they get on (frankly, if they don't It's easier to find out sooner rather than later) but leaving someone with your child who you barely know is weird. Moving them in after a day is really odd.

Yeah sure but it's usually used as an excuse to introduce someone very early to their children. I got jumped on because I said I would not meet strangers from.old in the park with my kids for 'dates' or invite men from old to my home for 'garden dates ' men I don't know. These were actual suggestions from people so just because anyone can harm your child doesn't mean you should not use precautions and use it as an excuse to introduce them to any tom dick or harry