To think that Nick Griffin is misunderstood and actually a nice chap?

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I heard him being interviewed this morning on the Today programme.

Firstly, it turns out he's not racist or against immigration! Apparently, he says it's ok for French people to come here (there's not that many that want to so its ok). AND he says that Irish people can come here too because they're really all British! So that's nice. I was a bit confused because I thought they'd spent all those years bombing us because they didn't want to be British but I guess I've got that all wrong.

He's not going to let Algerian asylum seekers come though, but I don't think it matters because they'll just get killed where they are in their own country so that won't be a problem for them much longer.

And the best thing is... he's going to give £50,000 to anyone who's not "pure British" to leave the country and go back to where they came from! How cool is that! So I'm now deciding whether to go back to my Great-Grandmother's origins in Russia, or my Great Grandfather's in Finland. Now, apparently this money is going to come from what he called stupid anti-Climate Change projects so although much of Russia and pretty much all of Finland is a bit chilly, as the climate changes because they money is being spent on me, they'll get warmer and I'll be all toasty!

Brilliant!

DP - genuine question - do your wider family and friends know you're a BNP activist?

Did you come in for any stick when the membership list was published? Assuming you're on it of course.

the poor me card is one often played by the BNP, though, it's practically party policy.

why do you think people should be nice when you trample roughshod over their views? their life? their sexuality?

you have said soem exceedingly not nice things, it cuts both ways

DP, being 'a loner by nature' is not healthy. It leads to extremism. And how often has someone who's committed a terrible crime been described as 'a loner'? Come on, get out there, engage with normal issues, open your mind. I work for a politician. If I spent all my time in politics, I would go nuts! OK, cross stitch or knitting may not do it for you (it does for me ) - but at least listen to other views on anything - from gardening to homosexuality. It's a world full of beautiful people and beautiful cultures, and we can experience so much of their richness without leaving these shores. We are so fortunate in Britain. Instead of upsetting people and then becoming defensive, look outside yourself and your views. It really will be worth it, and you'll be able to stop playing at 'poor me, everybody hates me.'

thing is LM....I don't really give a toss if someones dh is having txt sex with his secretary, I really don't care how you feed your baby (but I think breast feeding is best) I'm not into style & beauty (obv if you ever meet me).... & I can't help anyone with MH issues....fucking hell...I'd drive them over the edge completely....

so why Mumsnet? why not find a political forum for like minded folk?

MN is not the place to find like minded people

apart from the odd few who seem to be new or name changers

if politics and activism is your thing, then why not a political forum

Ok I personally think it's all getting a bit much.

Whatever DP thinks she is still a person and it's getting seriously uncomfortable to watch one person be on the receiving end of such a lot of bad feeling.

Whatever the BNP think, it is still really not nice to see people say someone else 'makes them sick' and 'disgusts' them over and over.

I agree with that Tanee

being too insular/introspective is not the greatest thing

nobody has said that for ages, katty, the conversation has long moved on from that tone.

but i do think that we are feeding a troll, so am bowing out.

yet you purposefully write contentious posts.knowing you likely to be pilloried

do you have self esteem issues

does it make you feel better to marginalise and demonise others eg black,gay,immigrants

more i participate and follow more your posts dp the more i see things aren't as they seem with you

dp,i detect an ebullient veneer on mn,that isnt factual

Have to echo LM, why did you join MN?

SM;

I support the BNP....I am not on here saying I'm James Bond

There is nothing "cool" in saying you support the BNP...most people think you're a thick idiot....

And it's not illegal to be a member of the BNP.

I joined MN 2.5 yrs ago...nothing to do with politics...I don't even think there was a political topic back then..?

can i suggest dp,answer the questions put to you,many outstanding

indeed bnp is legal and legit.and certainly mostly i dont have opportunity to directly quiz bnp supporters.which is why i wish you'd be less evasive

This was the BNP response to the disgusting disability comments from their party organiser:

Once again a single member said something stupid. What he said has nothing to do with BNP policy. The BNP have not passed the Abortion Laws that since 1967 have killed 6 million babies in Britain. Nor are the BNP the government that allows abortion for babies over 24 weeks if they are disabled. Many of the disabled in this country are lucky to have ever been born seeing as they can aborted at any time under the present abortion laws. They are lucky to be alive today due to Labour, Liberal and Tory policies which made a disability as grounds for a late abortion.

Does anyone else find it a bit too much of a coincidence that DP also started referring to abortion, notice how they do not really address what he said and quickly move off topic????

I am not evasive.....I just give answers people don't want to hear...

what is it you want me to answer..?

I am not attacking DP - I have never spoken to someone who is an avowed BNP supporter and it's been interesting, but deeply worrying. I do wonder why she feels the need to express her views on this and nothing else, in a forum such as MN. I don't think she's a bad person, but she is seriously misguided and possibly has an agenda or needs even she is unaware of. I too wonder if her family know of her views, eg her Labour supporting daughter, and how they feel about it. Does she feel isolated there? Does her husband know she might not have dated him, if she'd known he has a black ancestor? She has a LOT of issues she should explore, away from the BNP.

I may be weird, naive or stupid, but I believe everyone is born with the potential for good. I believe even Hitler might have been a different person, with a different destiny, if he had had a happier start in life. Life is what we make it, and we are what life makes us. We make choices, and we need to think hard about why we re making them, and the impact they will have on us and the world around us. Above all, we must try to do no harm. I don't believe the BNP are capable of doing no harm.

Anyway, I have a lasagne calling to me and must drop out now. And a nice programme on Andy Warhol to watch.

but if MN is not somewhere you enjoy -- and only use for the political threads, surely finding a political forum would be more in tune iwth your views/needs?

and what Tanee said.. you've made some really lovely and compelling posts which are thought provoking for all

DP, just a suggestion, why don't you go on the BNP website and post on their forums - then you will find people who hold the same views as you?

You will be able to find really really offensive posters on the BNP website.

I think it is really sad that you are a loner but you say you are a mum - your political views may well be alienating people from you, even your children?

If you do that - then you will be able to stop posting on mumsnet and that will also mean that mumsnet threads don't end up being all about you.

Thank you Lulu - and that's why I'd make a rotten politician ! I can always see the other side!

Ok, MUST go now. DP's been watching The Ring all afternoon while I've been on this thread - I'm not fond of Wagner - though I get off on the Ride of the Walkyries - but it made me smile thinking it was Hitler's fave composer - so quite an appropriate soundtrack for the thread . And it shows that we can find SOME common ground with Hitler, at least with regard to music, if nothing else!

DS1 just wondered through and ask what I was doing, said talking about the Bloody Nasty Party on MN, DS1 (13) then informs me that "that Griffin bloke is a nutter and looks like a toad, and this he feels is a dis-service of toads"

LOL out of the mouth of babes

lol! good to get back to the humour!

Nice chap...er...NO! Nice is really not the word I would choose to describe a person so full of hate.

Baron Greenback. Spot on. How funny.