To think this is vile

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Money raising or not- urghh, just urrrghh.

Lady - yes I completely agree that what a woman chooses to do with her body is quite rightly up to her. However, an individuals actions has consequences and an individuals interests have to be balanced against the interests of other members and society as a whole.

Therefore, if it is a choice between a persons right to take part in a naked calendar which in my opinion reinforces the objectification of women or a choice between creating a society where objectification is challenged then I would chose the latter..... I certainly would not enforce my opinion upon others but I would share it with them.

Sorry - not sure if this makes sense am tired!

And of course, this is the second calendar that has been done like this; the first was called Garrison Girls and is produced yearly.

RRR what I object to is that you and RRW speak as if you represent all women, and that we are all repressesed and feel forceld to walk around with one button too many undone on our shirts in order to be noticed.

I am a woman and I love the female form, I love to look feminine and I enjoy promoting the sexual side of my being.

This does not mean I am a bimbo, I am thick, I can't think for myself, I feel pressured or that I feel that I am an object only here for the desires of men. I have fun with the sexual side of my being and it makes me feel really good about myself as well as when I achieve academic and professional success.

it is vile, the sunbathing one is kind of cute and innocent but the one with the dog ....

I wonder what all the women serving in the armed forces think about it...?

Would it be vile if they were all a bit chubby and homely? Probably not. I think most of the problem is that these girls are gorgeous and so me will probably get off on it. I wouldn't display it in my house because it would make me feel lardy! Bu I think thy are gorgeous and maybe it's not tasteful arty shots, but the line between art and porn is fine.

There's no inference that they're all about to start shagging and I don't think any of them look like they'd rather not be there.

Bottom line is, people make a lot of money out of naked girly calendars...these fabulous women have made sure that money is directed towards a good cause. Good on them!

One of my female friends is in the army, another girl I went to school with was killed a couple of years ago.

I think this sort of thing demeans them, it's horrible and inappropriate.

By CarmenSanDiego Thu 22-Apr-10 00:33:49
In the US military, rape, violence and sexual harrassment figures against women are massively disproportionate to those in everyday life. Women who serve are at more risk of attack from their colleagues than the enemy.

From what I understand, the UK is following suit.

One of the factors cited regularly is the unwelcome display of pornography.

Hanging calendars like this in a workplace is hostile and threatening towards women who work there. Good luck arguing it out with your HR personnel in any other type of workplace. Why should an exception be made for the military where trust, teamwork and respect between colleagues is of critical importance?

Those fisrt 2 parapgraphs are chilling. Christ I didn't know that was the case (as the mother of a 14 year old dd who is hell bent on joining the RAF, I am hugely concerned).

This calendar is vile. That one with the girls stood at the fence with the alsatian? Who the hell thought that was a good idea.

Why can the people involved have not applied a bit more brain power and come up with a fundraiser which did not require them to get their tits out.

I would imagine if a serving woman was wounded, she'd be glad that the money went towards a pesonal recovery plan where she can be supported to rebuild her life and achieve her full potential. Not sure she'll be anything but grateful to these lovely girly's getting their bits out?

'In the US military, rape, violence and sexual harrassment figures against women are massively disproportionate to those in everyday life. Women who serve are at more risk of attack from their colleagues than the enemy.

From what I understand, the UK is following suit.'

The US military is a very different beast to the UK military, and I'd like to see some evidence of what you are asserting. None of the servicemen I know attack women, nor do they rape, use violence against women, or harrass them. If servicemen were like that, do you think we would stay married to them?

I expect the calendars would be hung in cabins or whatever accommodation the Army and RAF have, and so would be for private consumption - or perhaps on general view in a submarine somewhere, but women aren't allowed to serve on those, so no female sensitivities are being upset.

It is inappropriate. I don't undertstand all the crappy arguments 'ooh its is 27K or whatever for our boys'.

So this will be displayed in barracks all over the place in the army presumably. And serving women will probably just put up with it, as to (rightly) complain will ensure that they are seen as prissy, frigid, can't take a joke, uptight etc. And so it carries on.

I have always worked in a very male dominated environment (for some time in a civilian military agency) and when I was younger I did just put up with all the racist crap to give myself an easy life. Not any more. Why should be put up with this shit for christ's sake?

Not racist crap, sorry, menat sexist of course.

GetOrf - see above, the UK military is NOT the US military. If I had a daughter I'd be happy for her to join up.

"I expect the calendars would be hung in cabins or whatever accommodation the Army and RAF have, and so would be for private consumption - or perhaps on general view in a submarine somewhere, but women aren't allowed to serve on those, so no female sensitivities are being upset. "

So that's all right then is it? We are not talking about female sensitivities being upset fgs, it is talking about, in context, you are expecting men to serve alongside women and respect them as the professionals as they are. How can this be achieved when at the same time you have some daft army girlfriends poncing around in army kit with their tits out?

Carmen - have you got any links please to back your statement up (re US military, and the UK military following suit).

Btw, is anyone else quite uncomfortable that it's the girl's boyfriend who suggested the idea?

Agree with OP- charity does not mean it is suddenly okay to objectify women. Is it all that women can do, get their breasts out for the "lads". Offensive on every level, and being for charity doesn't change that.

YANBU.

There are many other ways they could have raised this money. Perhaps by using their brains instead of their norks ...........

Oh but then that wouldn't give anything for the lads to oggle over would it.

I wonder if the women concerned knew these pictures would be spalshed about the internet when they signed up.

My husband serves with women FGS as does my db. Just because a man sees a picture of some tits, or sees some real ones everyday perhaps; it doesn't then follow that he sees the women he works with as anything less than professional colleagues.

I work with men at times. Just because I have seen pictures of David Tennant on stage naked (and very nice too), and because I see dh's tackle everyday, doesn't mean that I objectify men, or can't see them as professionals. It doesn't mean I want to shag them either.

You under rate I feel the intelligence of many of those who serve in HM Forces by your comment above.

anyone else find the image of the women about to be rogered by an Alsatian disturbing?

Yes Eric, I do, a lot. It is utterly tasteless.

I agree that seeing naked people of the opposite gender doesn't necessarily make you objectify them.

But I have only rarely seen images of men naked which implied that they were subservient or being mistreated/punished - like that image of the girls with the Alsatian. Those just make my stomach crawl.

I have to say, I find it deeply offensive that troops of either gender should feel they're forced to raise money in this way. It is offensive, and to me, it mocks the seriousness of war. The government should be deeply ashamed.

I'm not much up on the debate of whether women/men should or shouldn't be doing this
BUT I see much worse in the corner store newspaper section. Those are genuine porn poses.
These were kind of innocent, having fun shots (except the one with the dog and 2 lined up on the fence - didn't like that one)
I'm not sure that I would mind my kids seeing these pics. They have seen me naked, I don't see that this is worse.
Def sure I don't want them seeing the corner store pics. It's the expression on the face that does it I think.

As a former military wife I wasn't impressed, DH asked me last night if I'd seen it, I said yes and thought it wasn't a good idea, he was a bit until I asked him how he would have felt when he was away at war in the Gulf and there were naked pictures of me that all his mates could see, he saw my point .

The foodfight and the guard dog pictures were horrible, even DH said there was something disturbing about the guard dog one.