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To think this is vile

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RedRedWine1980 · 21/04/2010 22:45

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1267500/Meet-SWAGS-Service-Wives-And-Girlfriends--cheeky-n aked-calendar-raised-26-000-Help-For-Heroes.html

Money raising or not- urghh, just urrrghh.

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Spacehopper5 · 25/04/2010 21:43

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AnyFucker · 25/04/2010 21:45

am so not a prude it is untrue

I agree...what is "brave" about getting your tits and arse out for the delectation of the general public

the fact it is for the raising of money for "our lads" doesn't negate the fact it is cheesy and soooooo buys into the negative stereotype of women as being sex toys

luciemule · 25/04/2010 21:58

I meant in the way that none of the women (except Kelly) has any experience of modelling as far as we know and have got their kit off for a good cause when they perhaps wouldn't have otherwise.
There are lots of people who wouldn't necessarily do things like that unless it was for charity.

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RedRedWine1980 · 25/04/2010 22:01

Unless they wanted a good reason to start a 'glamma' modelling career.....

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AnyFucker · 25/04/2010 22:01

perhaps they could have done a parachute jump instead...

just a thought

JaneS · 25/04/2010 22:02

I don't think anyone was suggesting the women had modelling experience (if that's one of the facts we needed to admit).

Please tell me why 'this like that', ie., taking your clothes off, being photographed and having the results made widely public, requires courage? If it's such 'harmless fun', shouldn't it be something these girls were perfectly comfortable with doing?

You've shot yourself in the foot here, I think (no army pun intended).

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:03

I defo not a prude. For one, I see boobs all the time - I'm a doula and breast feeding peer supporter!! Obviously not in the same way but perhaps that's also why I don't find the calendar offensive. And yes, before you say, having a baby and feeding it isn't the same as flaunting your bits on a calendar but the body being flaunted in any way legally doesn't tend to offend me.............unless it's porno mags on low down shelves in the newsagents for my children to see.

JaneS · 25/04/2010 22:04

lucie, that's interesting, but would you answer my question please?

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:06

LRD - I think you're taking every one of my comments, jumbling them into something other than how I originally intended and then coming up with something completely different.

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:07

which question would that be in particular?

JaneS · 25/04/2010 22:08

How so, lucie?

I simply want you to tell me why you think stripping off for this calendar was such 'harmless fun', not at all demeaning or inappropriate - and yet, you feel it required courage. I have explained why I'm asking that question, and what the implications of it are. What's the problem?

JaneS · 25/04/2010 22:10

Cross-posted.

Here, at 20:57:

'I do not see where 'bravery' comes into the making of a nude calendar. In fact, I'd say that, if you think it's a 'brave' act, surely you're undermining your own arguments about what the calendar represents.

Personally, I don't find it an act of courage to take my clothes off. Nor would I find it required 'bravery' to do so in front of people, or to do so and have the results visible to the general public, if I believed strongly that what I was doing was a good thing.

If you think that these girls are being 'brave' by getting their kit off, surely you're buying into the idea that female nakedness is something most people would rather cover up (which sounds rather like being a prude, something RRW and I have been labelled).'

and here, above:

'Please tell me why 'this like that', ie., taking your clothes off, being photographed and having the results made widely public, requires courage? If it's such 'harmless fun', shouldn't it be something these girls were perfectly comfortable with doing?'

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:13

Okay - imagine you're stood next to me and you can actually read my facial expressions. I say something like - wow, they're doing a semi nude calendar for charity. You wouldn't catch me getting my boobs out in this freezing weather - they're so brave. That's the context in which I used the word brave. "I think they're really brave".
A lot less emphasis than if I was talking about a soldier being wounded in war and yet struggling on to help his friend escape a burning building, for example. Does that answer your question LRD?

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:14

Sorry LRD - wasn't sure which post it was but then just found it.

JaneS · 25/04/2010 22:15

Not really, no.

Going out in the cold doesn't require 'bravery' either. Not unless you are five years old.

Also, sorry to quibble, but I it doesn't exactly look cold in those indoor shots ...

scurryfunge · 25/04/2010 22:18

I don't think we can pretend there is any bravery involved in any of these shots. There is likely to be no thought whatsoever by the participants, other than...."oh let's raise some money".

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:18

Arggggh - that phrase was an example of how I used the word brave......not that I thought it was cold for their shoot! You are quibbling now.
Perhaps we just use different words to mean different things. Sorry but |I'm colouring in bears' heads' for DS's spencer bear diary for school tomorrow. Will keep online but I'm not explaining word for word what I mean. I think it's quite obvious and tbh, I think the thread is fizzling out and everything has been covered from all angles.

MillyR · 25/04/2010 22:20

The picture of those two women up against a mesh MOD fence while a guard dog patrols is just awful. It is like some sort of prison camp porn. How can people put sex and war together in this way? No wonder there are human rights abuses going in war zones on if soldiers find stuff like this entertaining.

AnyFucker · 25/04/2010 22:22

lucie...more and more your arguments keep veering off into the emotional aspects of men being at war

that comparison is, frankly, disingenuous and reactionary

just because none of us fail to be moved by how our soldiers are fighting for our country, it does not mean we can condone a bunch of dozy bints showing their buttocks "for the cause"

doing that is crap, no matter what the justifications

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:23

millyr - did you read the reast of the thread - especially the bit I wrote explaining the shooting of the dog photo?

JaneS · 25/04/2010 22:23

It's probably for the best not to try further explanations of what you mean, it seems to be getting vaguer and vaguer by the minute. Perhaps it's too late at night.

scurryfunge · 25/04/2010 22:23

I think you are right Luciemule.....we're going round in circles now.....everyone has expressed their point of view and it has been very worthwhile debating the subject. There will always be women who feel it is ok to express their support for men via nudity and also those who feel it is betraying their gender

BelleDameSansMerci · 25/04/2010 22:24

AF - succint and accurate, as ever.

luciemule · 25/04/2010 22:25

AF - which bit did you mean exactly?
If I remember correctly, Carmen was 'veering off' into the wider 'war' issues.

Hullygully · 25/04/2010 22:26

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Who does one pity first?

This sort of thing makes me so vexed