To think this is vile

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Money raising or not- urghh, just urrrghh.

The humour can be very sick scaryteacher, it's a coping mechanism for what they deal with - it's very common.You may not be naive but your comments throughout the thread suggest there is a reluctance to comprehend sexismthat is very much alve and well and coming from some women also

scary didn't have to imply anything

the picture did that all by itself

trying to dismiss it's unpleasant overtones though is wrong...and deluded

It's cetainly not very humerous when you're sitting in the desert in iraq ebing asked to remove your gas mask to 'test' whether there really was a biological explosion or if you're sat in the cook house eating tea when suddenly a missile is doofed into the protective walls or when you're on the phone to your DD/DS/DW/DH and suddenly the siren goes off and they have to cut you off.

The army has a good laugh along with the rest of us when it's deemed appropriate and the army acts with extreme care and responsibility when carrying out it's duty.

I'd be careful with the 'camps' comments - many of us posted to Germany have lived only a couple of miles away from Belsen and believe you me, it's nothing other than humbling.

I do object to the idea on here that if you dont spend your days getting your kecks in a twist about a a few girls getting their kit off for charity, then you are 'naive', dim' or 'uneducated'.

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Thanks Lucie, I thought Guard dog too, and an attempt to get all the cap badges in.

In the context of the calendar that picture did not horrify or disturb me at all;the girls were not terrified. Had it been from one of the camps during the Shoah, then yes it would. However, I don't look for references to the Shoah in everything.

As to the summer camp comment; I HATED summer camp at school when I was 11, and have not been under canvas for the intervening 33 years. I would not compare an unpleasant week in the New Forest with Auschwitz/Birkenau, although you may choose to.

Any profession that deals with terrible things has a black or "sick" sense of humour.

I've heard jokes that would make "civvie" people vomit, it's a coping mechanism, as I said, my DH was military for 12 years, I do know what I'm talking about - he was an armourer and did bomb disposal.

scary, I was a bit peeved about the 'uneducated' comment too - I have seen Schindler's List but I didn't know (or possibly, have blanked out knowing) about dogs and rape.

I'm bemused though: when you see a picture like that, even in a non-threatening context like a nude calendar, don't you automatically identify with the women? I just think how terrified you would be to be naked, in that pose, in front of a fierce dog. I really can't get past that.

I also object the idea that is peddled around that if you don't play along with ladeez getting their tits as "empowering" then you are repressed, humourless and don't like sex

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Hmmm - it's all gotten very bitchy which is sad.
It shouldn't be like this, but I for one, feel that I have to defend the actions of the women in the calendar because as an army wife, I know full well that they mean only good things to come from it and want to raise loads of money.

Totally agree AF- or the favourite 'a hairy man hater'

You dont know the motives of tits out Kelly though- as someone else said her starting her 'glamma' career seems the most likely and the 'for charidee' part seems the excuse. Or else it wouldnt just be her posing topless for that really classy rag, The Sun, would it.

"I also object the idea that is peddled around that if you don't play along with ladeez getting their tits as "empowering" then you are repressed, humourless and don't like sex "
you have said that so much better than I have been trying to say all thread

scary, lucie, I should imagine anyone with basic humanity would feel humbled by being near to the camps! However, you're suggesting I should be careful about wounding your delicate sensibilities when you're suggesting a picture that is a re-creation of Nazi atrocities is somehow cute, fun, and absolutely ok?

I'm sorry, I've been trying to be measured, but are you mad? What on earth gives you the right to say things like that? Believe me: being married to a soldier does not do so.

RRW - say for example that your mate is a PR director and your club needs to raise their profile, you wouldn't ignore her ideas; you'd use them to benefit the group. Oh - that's possibly what Kelly's done. Who cares if she's launching a career from it? For most army wives, all we care about is raising the money for the charity. maybe we wouldn't all want it hung in the downstairs loo but hey-ho, we'd buy it anyway for the cause.

I lived in BFG for 8 years Lucie, I don't have to be "careful" about any comments I make about the military, I've lived it, including my husband going to war when our DD was only 6 months old in 1990 - he was at the very sharp end, armourers are first in/last out and he did airfield bomb disposal, if he doesn't think it was a very appropriate picture, that says it all, don't you think?

expect to see "kelly" next on the front cover of Nuts, rubbing her dinner-plate sized nipples against some other dozy bint's knockers

classy

aligning yourself with such sexist shite demeans you, and all who support them in their "right" to air their tits "for the boys" are equally brought down

A lot of women obviously DO care though Lucie, as the replies have shown.

I just mentioned Schindler's list becaue of the horrific scenes featuring naked women ( and men as it happens) armed guards and dogs - that's what the photo reminded me of.

It was at Auchwitz that the SS used dogs to brutalise women and girls for their sick "entertainment".

"Your line of thought seems to me a bit like saying that since you enjoyed summer camp as a child, these 'camps' at Treblinka and Belsen can't have been all that bad."

This is what Littlereddragon replied to scary. Why would LRD infer from what scary said meant the above? Weird.

anyway - when I saw the fence/dog picture I thought "that looks tacky" but it's nice that the patrol dogs are in on the picture". You may think me naive but I think you're looking into it a bit too deeply.

Mal - the whole calendar reminds me of a tacky carry on film but that's about all.

no, lucie, with respect

it's because people don't think deeply enough that our consciousness just gets continually overloaded with such shite we don't even notice it any more

sexist images become common parlance, just part of the "wallpaper", as it were

that is damaging, on many levels, but mostly to the youngsters growing up today who think it is ok that the best way to make or raise money for a pretty young girl is to make herself a sex object

A pseudo-nazi simulated sexual encounter objectifying women but" it's nice that the patrol dogs are in on the picture"!!! Don't know whether to laugh or cry

Trust me AF, I'm perhaps one of the most deep thinkers I know and I'm constantly worrying about society and the way our children are growing up too fast, how we can effectively feed the planet, should CERN switch on the hadron collider- that kind of stuff - yet, I still don't see anything wrong with the calendar.
I'm not saying people should change their minds if they don't agree, I'm just illustrating how many army wives will see it/not see it!